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02-27-2018, 07:15 PM | #1 |
Demi-God
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Pride Goes Before A Fall
When I see Billy and all the mistakes he's made and the fact he's unaware of how he's perceived, it just shows me how useless, toxic, counterproductive a big ego is. Success is a lousy teacher, and definitely Billy's success in the 90's affected him too much. You should never let success go to your head and failure go to your heart. It seems to me that having a big ego means that you don't know yourself, especially that you don't understand reality. What is the point of having a big ego? Seriously.
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02-27-2018, 07:21 PM | #2 |
Oblivious Virgin
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I agree with you, but I think it's necessary to an extent. Without that ego we may have never gotten Siamese Dream, right? But we also could've gotten better albums from then on if Billy's ego wasn't so big (Mellon Collie is too long IMO and Adore, M and MMII are good with some hiccups).
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02-27-2018, 07:23 PM | #3 | |
Apocalyptic Poster
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02-27-2018, 07:31 PM | #4 |
Apocalyptic Poster
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Billy’s insane arrogance destroyed an all time great band. He also ruined his chance of being seen as one of the most brilliant rock musicians ever by the general public.
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02-27-2018, 07:41 PM | #5 |
Braindead
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ok
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02-27-2018, 07:41 PM | #6 |
Oblivious Virgin
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02-27-2018, 07:51 PM | #7 |
Apocalyptic Poster
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I think MCIS is better than SD personally, although SD does have my favorite song (Today). It probably is too long but it also has about 10-15 songs better than anything most bands ever put out.
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02-27-2018, 08:11 PM | #8 |
Ownz
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Image you're a nobody and then suddenly you go on a 4-year winning streak where you sell MILLIONS of records each year and go play sold out festivals and shows.
How is anybody just going to re-adjust after that? Especially if you're a narcissist and an attention-whore because you were abused and neglected as a child. It would probably destroy a lot of people. And it made him a huge fucking asshole. |
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02-27-2018, 08:18 PM | #9 |
Minion of Satan
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it seems that ego is what made you create a new thread just to say this
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02-27-2018, 08:24 PM | #10 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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02-27-2018, 08:25 PM | #11 |
Apocalyptic Poster
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Mellon Collie > Siamese Dream
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02-27-2018, 08:34 PM | #12 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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4 REAL
ALSO SPITEFACE >TODAY |
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02-27-2018, 08:37 PM | #13 |
dumb
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I don't actually like MCIS as a record that much. The songs are amazing and the tour was fucking unbelievable, but the record feels very dry and blandly produced. SD always sounds fresh and great
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02-27-2018, 08:50 PM | #14 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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I n c l u d I n g jellybelly???
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02-28-2018, 12:40 AM | #15 |
spanish harlem mona lisa
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He's a narcissist
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02-28-2018, 01:09 AM | #16 |
Minion of Satan
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02-28-2018, 03:59 AM | #17 |
Demi-God
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Bill's phoniness could easily extend all the way to the beginning. The strategic decisions, it was all there from the beginning. Sure, he might've grown more calculating and less musically inspired (like plenty of songwriters), but people just take it as a given he was "authentic and sincere" in the 90s. Why did other musicians hate him? They didn't respect him. He tried on a lot of different images (psychedelic, goth, glam), but were any anything more than a marketing ruse? I'm beginning to wonder.
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02-28-2018, 04:19 AM | #18 |
Minion of Satan
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He just had a broad range of influences and incorporated various styles into his songwriting. You're reading too much into it. He even said that looking back he can listen to the albums and know what he was listening to at the time and being influenced by. Gish for instance obviously has a big Jane's Addiction influence. I don't think there's anything phony about him, he was just driven and ambitious like most musicians who end up being successful are. If other musicians didn't respect him it's because they were intimidated by his talent and/or they were snooty hipsters like Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth.
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02-28-2018, 08:47 AM | #19 | |
Demi-God
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03-01-2018, 01:05 AM | #20 |
Amish Rake Fighter
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Yes I respect and love Billy no matter how much of a kunt he is or the terrible new music he makes.. Always and 4eva
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