I'm listening to MTAE for the first time - Page 7

MonumentsRocks · 11-03-2018, 10:23 PM

Listening to the Smashing Pumpkins doesn't exactly make anyone a paragon of originality, either.

fuzzyroes · 11-03-2018, 10:31 PM

I've always loved these guys when they go acoustic.

Weezer playing a High-School cafeteria in 1996 Seattle. Was a radio-station contest winner promotion...

How amazing would've been to check this out at lunch-time in high-school?

Beautiful rendition of No One Else

FoolofaTook · 11-03-2018, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

Listening to the Smashing Pumpkins doesn't exactly make anyone a paragon of originality, either.

True.

Listening to BORIS, on the other hand...

redbreegull · 11-04-2018, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Jordan Peterson was talking about this in a recent interview about how there's these types of people that you know everything they're gonna say or like once you get to know a tiny bit about them...

There's so little individuality with this clique culture nowadays... Opinions don't differ, tastes are the same... It's a real problem...RBG is one of the worst offenders of this that I've ever come across online.

Peterson articulates it perfectly.

Watch the following 3 minutes that play of this clip. He destroys this reporter in the most articulate fashion.

it's like you don't want us to forget you are the worst person in the world so you add a jordan peterson clip at the end to remind us

redbreegull · 11-04-2018, 12:39 AM

mark kozelek's acoustic chops are a straight kick to the balls. makes Bruce Corgan sound like a total amateur

ilikeplanets · 11-04-2018, 01:03 AM

that list of "bittersweet" songs are all amazing. i miss feeling things.

smashingjj · 11-04-2018, 05:18 AM

Man work on your trolling fuzzy

TuralyonW3 · 11-04-2018, 10:14 AM

Of course fuzzy is a Jordan Peterson fan

Mals Marola · 11-04-2018, 02:00 PM

Of course fuzzy is not a Luna fan

MonumentsRocks · 11-04-2018, 02:38 PM

Jordan Peterson, not racist, but #1 with racists.

fuzzyroes · 11-04-2018, 03:23 PM

He's never said anything remotely racist.

He's simply a threat to some of the lefts ideology, so they try and discredit him.

I'd recommend anyone to read his book 12 rules for life before making any assumptions about him.

MonumentsRocks · 11-04-2018, 03:33 PM

It's actually a Simpsons joke, but there is truth in the idea that scummy people find refuge in apologists. Like, "I'm a bigot, please forward all inquiries to Sam Harris."

I didn't care for the video you linked where he says he can guess a person's suite of viewpoints based on a few small clues, because it gives anyone who disagrees a rationale for not engaging further in a dialogue. "You have long hair, this conversation is over". So long as a person is willing to deal in facts, they shouldn't be preemptively ignored. If someone says "check out x,y,z hipster guitarists, they're good", well that's not a fact based argument to begin with, so it would be your folly for having even responded in the first place.

fuzzyroes · 11-04-2018, 03:39 PM

Ehhh it was more just a dig at RBG. Most of his political and musical opinions are totally atypical and predictable and yet he always talks as though he's some sort of authority on the topics.

fuzzyroes · 11-04-2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

mark kozelek's acoustic chops are a straight kick to the balls. makes Bruce Corgan sound like a total amateur

Hey, that was actually really great. I hadn't heard that track before.

MonumentsRocks · 11-04-2018, 03:55 PM

I can't think of a single SP song that I would have enjoyed more if there were more notes, or a greater demonstrations of technical skill, except in the songs where James Iha took the vocals. Therefore I don't think discussing Billy's technical proficiency serves any purpose, at least as far as I'm concerned.

fuzzyroes · 11-04-2018, 03:59 PM

Ehhh I dunno dude, as much as I go to bat for Monuments, that in particular is an album that could've benefited from some better lead guitar. A song like One and All definitely calls for it, it still baffles me that he didn't let a solo rip in it.

MonumentsRocks · 11-04-2018, 04:01 PM

Sometimes less is more.

fuzzyroes · 11-04-2018, 04:03 PM

True... Even MCIS got some backlash for the lack of solos. But for a guitarist as good as Corgan, it would be nice to have his ability on display a little more in the newer tunes.

redbreegull · 11-04-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Hey, that was actually really great. I hadn't heard that track before.

Kozelek is easily as impressive a guitarist as Billy Corgan, their strengths and styles are just totally different. He's a really astonishingly talented musician.

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Ehhh it was more just a dig at RBG. Most of his political and musical opinions are totally atypical and predictable and yet he always talks as though he's some sort of authority on the topics.

I don't think that's true. Most of the time when we argue, my opinions are probably those held by a majority of people. I wish I could claim to be atypical, but "name dropping" Elliott Smith who is a really widely loved, appreciated, and acknowledged musician is about as hipster or contrarian as "name dropping" the fuckin pixies or something in a conversation about alternative rock. I'm not exactly going out on a limb here. Elliott Smith is really popular, influential, and known primarily for his work on acoustic guitar.

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Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

I can't think of a single SP song that I would have enjoyed more if there were more notes, or a greater demonstrations of technical skill, except in the songs where James Iha took the vocals. Therefore I don't think discussing Billy's technical proficiency serves any purpose, at least as far as I'm concerned.

It's not about more notes. Malmsteen can play a lot of notes, but I certainly prefer Billy Corgan. The point I was attempting to make is that Billy Corgan is a really creative guitarist and it doesn't usually translate to his acoustic work. I don't think that is something innate cause the guy is obviously very naturally adept. If he put in the time to be a great acoustic guitarist, he probably could be. On electric, even when Corgan is doing something really simple, he has the ability to excite me and make me wonder about where his ideas come from.

On acoustic he really doesn't have that versatility. For the most part he just plays regular open chords with standardish, dense strum patterns (I'm almost tempted to refer to his style as cowboy chords). When he fingerpicks, he usually just does a thumb and two finger 1-3-2. He has done some other stuff like fucking around with slides, capos, alternate tunings, 12-string guitars... but on Ogilala, it was mostly a return to his really standard, regularish style of acoustic playing. If he does a hammer on, that's like really exciting for him.

I still really think this is the result of him approaching acoustic guitar as an electric guitar for quiet volumes though, instead of as a different instrument. His tone also just always sucks cause he sticks 9 gauge strings on his guitars and strums the hell out of em

slunken · 11-04-2018, 06:04 PM

what did i just read

smashingjj · 11-04-2018, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by slunken

what did i just read

Shall i just quote the whole post for you again

MonumentsRocks · 11-04-2018, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

It's not about more notes. Malmsteen can play a lot of notes, but I certainly prefer Billy Corgan. The point I was attempting to make is that Billy Corgan is a really creative guitarist and it doesn't usually translate to his acoustic work. I don't think that is something innate cause the guy is obviously very naturally adept. If he put in the time to be a great acoustic guitarist, he probably could be. On electric, even when Corgan is doing something really simple, he has the ability to excite me and make me wonder about where his ideas come from.

On acoustic he really doesn't have that versatility. For the most part he just plays regular open chords with standardish, dense strum patterns (I'm almost tempted to refer to his style as cowboy chords). When he fingerpicks, he usually just does a thumb and two finger 1-3-2. He has done some other stuff like fucking around with slides, capos, alternate tunings, 12-string guitars... but on Ogilala, it was mostly a return to his really standard, regularish style of acoustic playing. If he does a hammer on, that's like really exciting for him.

I still really think this is the result of him approaching acoustic guitar as an electric guitar for quiet volumes though, instead of as a different instrument. His tone also just always sucks cause he sticks 9 gauge strings on his guitars and strums the hell out of em

You're asking for Malmsteen on an acoustic, but then pretending you're not.

FoolofaTook · 11-04-2018, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by smashingjj

Shall i just quote the whole post for you again

why don't you translate it into dutch while you're at it?

smashingjj · 11-04-2018, 08:28 PM

waarom vertaal je het niet in het Nederlands nu je er toch mee bezig bent?

redbreegull · 11-04-2018, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

You're asking for Malmsteen on an acoustic, but then pretending you're not.

...you have something wrong with you

MonumentsRocks · 11-04-2018, 10:55 PM

Seriously though, The Rose March is a beautiful, high quality acoustic composition.

ninsp · 11-05-2018, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MonumentsRocks

Seriously though, The Rose March is a beautiful, high quality acoustic composition.

wrong

redbreegull · 11-05-2018, 01:17 AM

the rose march is pretty ok.

Corgan's Bluff · 11-05-2018, 03:13 AM

The rose march is no bed of roses...

MonumentsRocks · 11-05-2018, 06:49 AM

The Rose March is really excellent. It's supposedly a song he wrote and performed in the space of twenty four hours, and yet it has the most intricate acoustic part of any song in their catalog. I get the sense that he didn't really think the whole thing up then and there. The lyrics don't cumulatively make any more sense that the other lyrics he writes, but the imagery throughout is vivid and interesting; "Inner-spaced and pie faced You catch the moon I’ll just stand here and run in place Shell shocked and half cocked The universe is full of black holes and anniversary knots". "I’ll lay roses at your feet Til you decide there is something great in you" is a great line, too.

99 Floors was a good song, too. "Ain't it sad when your choices are vices, or advice" ... Following in the tradition of throwing away good material only to record crap in the studio later.

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11-03-2018, 10:23 PM	#181
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	Listening to the Smashing Pumpkins doesn't exactly make anyone a paragon of originality, either.

11-03-2018, 10:31 PM	#182
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,169	I've always loved these guys when they go acoustic. Weezer playing a High-School cafeteria in 1996 Seattle. Was a radio-station contest winner promotion... How amazing would've been to check this out at lunch-time in high-school? Beautiful rendition of No One Else

11-04-2018, 12:39 AM	#185
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,753	mark kozelek's acoustic chops are a straight kick to the balls. makes Bruce Corgan sound like a total amateur

11-04-2018, 01:03 AM	#186
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	that list of "bittersweet" songs are all amazing. i miss feeling things.

11-04-2018, 05:18 AM	#187
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,903	Man work on your trolling fuzzy

11-04-2018, 10:14 AM	#188
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,684	Of course fuzzy is a Jordan Peterson fan

11-04-2018, 02:00 PM	#189
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	Of course fuzzy is not a Luna fan

11-04-2018, 02:38 PM	#190
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	Jordan Peterson, not racist, but #1 with racists.

11-04-2018, 03:23 PM	#191
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,169	He's never said anything remotely racist. He's simply a threat to some of the lefts ideology, so they try and discredit him. I'd recommend anyone to read his book 12 rules for life before making any assumptions about him.

11-04-2018, 03:33 PM	#192
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	It's actually a Simpsons joke, but there is truth in the idea that scummy people find refuge in apologists. Like, "I'm a bigot, please forward all inquiries to Sam Harris." I didn't care for the video you linked where he says he can guess a person's suite of viewpoints based on a few small clues, because it gives anyone who disagrees a rationale for not engaging further in a dialogue. "You have long hair, this conversation is over". So long as a person is willing to deal in facts, they shouldn't be preemptively ignored. If someone says "check out x,y,z hipster guitarists, they're good", well that's not a fact based argument to begin with, so it would be your folly for having even responded in the first place.

11-04-2018, 03:39 PM	#193
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,169	Ehhh it was more just a dig at RBG. Most of his political and musical opinions are totally atypical and predictable and yet he always talks as though he's some sort of authority on the topics.

11-04-2018, 03:55 PM	#195
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	I can't think of a single SP song that I would have enjoyed more if there were more notes, or a greater demonstrations of technical skill, except in the songs where James Iha took the vocals. Therefore I don't think discussing Billy's technical proficiency serves any purpose, at least as far as I'm concerned.

11-04-2018, 03:59 PM	#196
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,169	Ehhh I dunno dude, as much as I go to bat for Monuments, that in particular is an album that could've benefited from some better lead guitar. A song like One and All definitely calls for it, it still baffles me that he didn't let a solo rip in it.

11-04-2018, 04:01 PM	#197
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	Sometimes less is more.

11-04-2018, 04:03 PM	#198
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,169	True... Even MCIS got some backlash for the lack of solos. But for a guitarist as good as Corgan, it would be nice to have his ability on display a little more in the newer tunes.

11-04-2018, 06:04 PM	#200
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	what did i just read

11-04-2018, 08:28 PM	#204
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,903	waarom vertaal je het niet in het Nederlands nu je er toch mee bezig bent?

11-04-2018, 10:55 PM	#206
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	Seriously though, The Rose March is a beautiful, high quality acoustic composition.

11-05-2018, 01:17 AM	#208
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,753	the rose march is pretty ok.

11-05-2018, 03:13 AM	#209
Corgan's Bluff Minion of Satan Location: Travelling between Ukraine and Russia Posts: 5,359	The rose march is no bed of roses...

11-05-2018, 06:49 AM	#210
MonumentsRocks Ownz Posts: 633	The Rose March is really excellent. It's supposedly a song he wrote and performed in the space of twenty four hours, and yet it has the most intricate acoustic part of any song in their catalog. I get the sense that he didn't really think the whole thing up then and there. The lyrics don't cumulatively make any more sense that the other lyrics he writes, but the imagery throughout is vivid and interesting; "Inner-spaced and pie faced You catch the moon I’ll just stand here and run in place Shell shocked and half cocked The universe is full of black holes and anniversary knots". "I’ll lay roses at your feet Til you decide there is something great in you" is a great line, too. 99 Floors was a good song, too. "Ain't it sad when your choices are vices, or advice" ... Following in the tradition of throwing away good material only to record crap in the studio later.