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08-16-2008, 01:09 PM | #31 |
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08-16-2008, 01:12 PM | #32 |
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08-16-2008, 01:19 PM | #33 | |
bonnie stars
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i can't remember which interview it was. anyone? someone must recognize the 'hello' thing. 'nothing extraordinary' is very much paraphrasing and it might be exaggerated in my mind, but i remember him saying something along the lines of zeitgeist not being meant to be a great artistic statement, but just a solid rock album and me thinking 'well no wonder it's boring'
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08-16-2008, 01:19 PM | #34 |
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i will defend SP against people who give wrong or bad information about them. Mainly the press. but the battle field here is lost.
some old fans just don't get SP2. Just like fans who didn't get Adore |
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08-16-2008, 01:21 PM | #35 |
Ownz
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Springbridge, i want to be your friend.
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08-16-2008, 01:22 PM | #36 |
Ownz
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08-16-2008, 01:28 PM | #37 |
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the line of tr00 fans starts here
http://sleevage.com/wp-content/uploa...t_inside_2.jpg |
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08-16-2008, 01:40 PM | #38 |
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the debate rages on...
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08-16-2008, 01:42 PM | #39 |
Demi-God
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08-16-2008, 02:00 PM | #40 |
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08-16-2008, 02:01 PM | #41 |
Minion of Satan
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fantastic analogy. this thread needs some preparation h, pronto.
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08-16-2008, 02:35 PM | #42 | |
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08-16-2008, 06:07 PM | #43 |
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08-16-2008, 06:29 PM | #44 | |
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Billy: "We weren't trying to make some grand declaration...we weren't trying to repeat the high points of our past, it was more like a hello" |
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08-16-2008, 08:00 PM | #45 | |
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calm down you should be able to see why people are so frustrated and respect that. |
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08-16-2008, 08:00 PM | #46 |
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08-16-2008, 08:00 PM | #47 |
bonnie stars
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thanks. i thought i'd probably twisted that a bit
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08-16-2008, 08:10 PM | #48 | |
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08-16-2008, 10:06 PM | #49 |
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08-16-2008, 10:29 PM | #50 | |
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08-16-2008, 10:40 PM | #51 |
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converge
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08-16-2008, 11:07 PM | #52 | |
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08-16-2008, 11:15 PM | #53 |
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08-16-2008, 11:41 PM | #54 |
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haha
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08-17-2008, 12:48 AM | #55 | |
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08-17-2008, 02:23 AM | #56 | |
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but yeah mistle has said pretty much everything that needed to be said. well done. seriously if you can't tell the difference between the original 4 and anything else that's pretended to be the smashing pumpkins since then you can't be much of a fan. i'm not saying it's all been shit, but there is a difference that is un-questionable, it's there. and most people agree it was better with the original 4. basically it comes down to people arguing about how much worse SP2 is to the original 4. whiny bitches like springbridge and monte think it's almost as good / right up there, so close. and others think it's pretty mediocre at best. |
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08-17-2008, 02:29 AM | #57 | |
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the 'original' 4 argument is crap...because that original 4 also created Machina..which is worse than most of the newer material. |
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08-17-2008, 02:30 AM | #58 |
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08-17-2008, 02:35 AM | #59 |
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08-17-2008, 04:20 AM | #60 |
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Billy has always been really genuinely good to people. From the Adore charity tour, to the free release of Machina II, shaking the hands of the fans who have been sitting in line for hours before the shows, the free signing tour for machina, offering his fans free tickets, putting extra effort into making each show unique- on one occassion I recall Billy getting people on stage at the end of the show to hold their instruments. What I don't understand is the social phenomenon (particularly at Netphoria) of shitting in their own nest and on the Pumpkins desipte their good deeds.
I endorse the idea of being critical and using judgment even if it is unfavorable; such is the nature of an active fuctioning brain. But at some point all human beings are entitled to some respect. |
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