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Old 03-10-2021, 07:59 PM   #31
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there was some article i’ve read, i think it’s something like jimmy himself is fine for trying to revive JM, but the band was responsible for failing to intervene in a more major way prior to his death

jim got charged with possession because cops found residue inside a needle like really. this was pled down to disorderly conduct

 
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Old 03-10-2021, 09:54 PM   #32
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i think a lot of places now don't charge for possession if you call for medical help but don't quote me on that

 
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Old 03-10-2021, 09:55 PM   #33
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there was some article iíve read, i think itís something like jimmy himself is fine for trying to revive JM, but the band was responsible for failing to intervene in a more major way prior to his death
ok yeah that makes sense

 
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Old 03-11-2021, 06:01 AM   #34
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Speaking of rare MCIS footage, I'd never seen this before. SP on Top of The Pops in 1996.

Billy singing without a guitar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7o_SXztIVw

 
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:35 PM   #35
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not manslaughter to do drugs with someone who ODs and dies unless perhaps you get the drugs and shoot them up and then just let them die
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afaik he only got charged with possession, criminally speaking. who knows about fault admitted or proven in a lawsuit, though. much lower burden of proof, but it seems unlikely he could be found to have more fault than melvoin himself if it came to that
i don't care about the law (obviously - i'm a cool guy) but i meant does that weigh on his conscious at all??? IT HAS TO.

i don't recall any of that really being addressed other than typical vague sobriety talking points.

 
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:43 PM   #36
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I don't imagine he can comment on it. There was a settlement and lawsuit.
this makes sense. lawsuits are right up the SP alley

 
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:05 PM   #37
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i don't care about the law (obviously - i'm a cool guy) but i meant does that weigh on his conscious at all??? IT HAS TO.

i don't recall any of that really being addressed other than typical vague sobriety talking points.
I'm sure it does or at least did. Hopefully 25 years later it isn't haunting him.

 
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:30 PM   #38
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i just find it weird i don't think he's every talked about it

 
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Old 03-12-2021, 11:05 PM   #39
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good point, yeah. fuck the law.

i think it'd be weird to address publicly and probably a lose/lose situation. i'm sure he's gone to therapy, at least thru whatever rehab[s]

also he's like 1000% definitely one of those 12 step people and one of the 'steps' is talking about everything you've ever done wrong

 
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:08 AM   #40
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i have a feeling you are being sarcastic. big feeling.

i'm not begging for a giant spin magazine interview. what i'm saying is that the fact that jimmy killed a guy has to weigh pretty heavy on him

 
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Old 03-13-2021, 04:41 AM   #41
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Speaking of rare MCIS footage, I'd never seen this before. SP on Top of The Pops in 1996.

Billy singing without a guitar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7o_SXztIVw
Very strange stuff - and Darcy on guitar too? That's even stranger to me than BC w/o guitar, which is inherently strange. But he does seem better to just stand there and sing on this than lately when he has no guitar which equates to all sorts of strange behaviors.

Is it one of those prerecorded deals where the band just has to mime it?

And to merge our current topics here... is that Melvoin at 1:40?

 
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Old 03-13-2021, 04:42 AM   #42
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Also, come on - while a totally badass video and a badass shot, is this the best common photo that can be used for his Wiki page?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Melvoin

So strange that "Angel" is about him... that's one I learned like 5 years ago and I still can't wrap my head around.

 
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Old 03-13-2021, 05:01 AM   #43
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@slunken Jimmy didn't kill him though did he. They were doing drugs together. He died, Jimmy didn't. Just like Jimmy had overdosed before and they had to bring him back from the dead. You go to jail if you kill someone, right? Or are you saying Jimmy killed him because he was somehow responsible for his addiction?

If someone says, hey let's go on this rickety and shit old rollercoaster together and the other person agrees. Then the rollercoaster crashes - One passenger dies from their injuries sustained in the crash, the other recovers. It's kind of stretch to say the person who suggested the ride to the other person is responsible for their death ("they killed") the other passenger.

Unless the person strapped the other person in to the rollercoaster against their will and knew that the ride was going to crash and kill them - then they didn't kill them on purpose or otherwise.

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Old 03-13-2021, 06:35 AM   #44
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Also, come on - while a totally badass video and a badass shot, is this the best common photo that can be used for his Wiki page?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Melvoin

So strange that "Angel" is about him... that's one I learned like 5 years ago and I still can't wrap my head around.
I think itís the best photo yeah.

 
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Very strange stuff - and Darcy on guitar too? That's even stranger to me than BC w/o guitar, which is inherently strange. But he does seem better to just stand there and sing on this than lately when he has no guitar which equates to all sorts of strange behaviors.

Is it one of those prerecorded deals where the band just has to mime it?

And to merge our current topics here... is that Melvoin at 1:40?
Yes it's him, guess it was the touring band at that stage.

And yes on TOTP they mime. In the later years the vocals were live, which I think they are here (I can't remember).

 
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@slunken Jimmy didn't kill him though did he. They were doing drugs together. He died, Jimmy didn't. Just like Jimmy had overdosed before and they had to bring him back from the dead. You go to jail if you kill someone, right? Or are you saying Jimmy killed him because he was somehow responsible for his addiction?
no i'm just surprised JC never really talked about how fucked up it was.

it seems kind of glossed over in his history like it surely must HAUNT him

 
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Very strange stuff - and Darcy on guitar too? That's even stranger to me than BC w/o guitar, which is inherently strange. But he does seem better to just stand there and sing on this than lately when he has no guitar which equates to all sorts of strange behaviors.

Is it one of those prerecorded deals where the band just has to mime it?

And to merge our current topics here... is that Melvoin at 1:40?
Yeah, only vocals are live

 
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