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View Poll Results: Rate that CYR!
0 - total garbage, unlistenable, couldn’t make it through a single listen 7 9.09%
1 - this is technically music, but you don’t like anything about it 4 5.19%
2 - some of the worst music you’ve ever heard, you won’t ever listen to it again 6 7.79%
3 - pretty bad album, but at least it has purple blood 9 11.69%
4 - Worse than average, you listened to the whole thing but have no desire to do it again 15 19.48%
5 - Completely neutral, you neither love nor loathe this sound 9 11.69%
6 - Better than average, but only a few songs you’ll be returning to 8 10.39%
7 - Super duper album but you won’t be pulling it out unless you are particularly in the mood for it 9 11.69%
8 - great album marred by a few missteps or idiosyncrasies. You will keep listening regularly 7 9.09%
9 - fantastic album, u will get married or renew your vows to it one day 1 1.30%
10 - complete success, on par with golden era SP 2 2.60%
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Old 12-03-2020, 02:17 PM   #181
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Interesting to see how critical Smashing Pumpkins fans are of vocals.


One might even say it is (literally) ironic.

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 02:18 PM   #182
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Alanis would say that

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 02:21 PM   #183
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even in Alanis speak it's not ironic, Pumpkins vocals were at one point unique & specially fitting for the music. now they are simply bad, at odds with the music, & a huge obstacle (inb4 ur dad's got a huge obstacle) to people actually enjoying the shit

but that's just one Joey's opinion!

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 02:56 PM   #184
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happening in the opposite way to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this.

FANS OF SHITTING SINGING COMPLAINING ABOUT SHITTING SINGING


THIS IS IRONIC


FUCK

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 02:56 PM   #185
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shitty singing


sorry

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 02:57 PM   #186
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I HAVE THREE PHDS IN ENGLISH LIT

HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE?

THAT'S RIGHT: NONE

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 02:59 PM   #187
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yeah and we're not fans of shitty singing because his singing on SD etc was not shitty

fans of Cyr, however, complaining about vocals on any other thing, well yes, that would be ironic!

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 04:48 PM   #188
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His vocals on Cyr are pretty decent overall. His worst vocal performance of all time will always be Solara. There was a song on Cotillions also where he sounded like a decrepit old woman too.

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 04:58 PM   #189
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See? More irony.

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 04:59 PM   #190
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Billy is my favorite singer of all time, I get to complain about his singing. Stop policing our complaining, Schnooky-Took

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 05:00 PM   #191
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No. His vocals from Gish through FutureEmbrace were all good. Zeitgeist is when it started getting sketch.

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 05:00 PM   #192
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Petition to ban took for his insensitive comments

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 05:03 PM   #193
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Aw man Kenny Aronoff says this is technically music but he doesn’t like anything about it!
Kenny is still mad Billy prevented him from having sex with Cameron Diaz.


But seriously this album is boring.

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 05:03 PM   #194
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So as of rite this second we have 38 of u rating it 4 or below vs 26 members rating it 6 or above

And 14 who are completely neutral

Somebody else who can do math tell us what this says about us, big willie, the world at large, and this record

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 05:20 PM   #195
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the tide is turning, brother r2p

i predict a state of blessedness for the longsuffering riffraff of netphoria: billy & co will get hella high on hash bon bons and record an incredible shoegaze-dreampop-goth album with jeff/james on guitars, jack on bass, jimbo on drums (ofc) and billy vocals buried under the mix. a third of the album will feature katie's lead vocals while billy does interpretive dance.

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 05:21 PM   #196
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im telling you cyr will be viewed in hindsight as the begin of bollzebub's re-ascension.

from the mouth of the childe and mystik sage: "like a phoenix i will rise" (!!!)

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 05:22 PM   #197
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This phoenix has been burning up for a minute now

 
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Old 12-03-2020, 09:08 PM   #198
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So as of rite this second we have 38 of u rating it 4 or below vs 26 members rating it 6 or above

And 14 who are completely neutral

Somebody else who can do math tell us what this says about us, big willie, the world at large, and this record
i do actually like some of it sincerely. but some of it is complete shit. so 5 seemed like the only good answer. it's certainly not better than average

 
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Old 12-05-2020, 12:46 AM   #199
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Listened once all the way through and have no desire to do it again

 
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Old 12-05-2020, 02:48 PM   #200
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I'm pretty happy with it. Definitely not what I was expecting at all, but I really dig the direction of some of it. Some of it doesn't really resonate with me, but I appreciate that they're still willing to take chances as a band.

My top 3 favorites: Minerva, Anno Santana, Cyr.

Would've liked to have heard more Jimmy and some guitar based stuff but hey, they're the artists! Who am i to oblige?

 
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Old 12-05-2020, 06:36 PM   #201
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Did you check out the Cyr vid and get anything out of it? typical deep stuff from them symbolically.

I'm guessing the 33 songs he has for the trilogy thing could have some heavier material with it. I hear yet a different sound and direction with this effort, so they continue to be prog in that respect. hey caic...check your p.m. when you get the chance. later.

 
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Old 12-07-2020, 11:43 AM   #202
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i wanted to listen to that 'swoon swoon' song. but whenever i heard that intro riff all i could think of is like, one of those funny gifs of skeletons dancing from shitty halloween movies.

that's how the whole record makes me feel

 
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Old 12-08-2020, 06:09 AM   #203
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Is this poll some kind of a snare? Whoever votes above 5 gets banned? Sneaky bugger....

 
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Old 12-25-2020, 07:34 PM   #204
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The album is really growing on me.

I couldn't stand any of the singles as they were released. I skipped through them the first time I listened to the album as a whole and didn't have any desire to listen to it again. Every song sounded the same. I thought this was probably the worst post-Machina material to date.

I waited a few days and gave it another listen. Then a few more days and another listen.

I think "first real album with James and Jimmy back" set my expectations for a rocker and they were certainly subverted.

I don't expect anyone else here to follow, but I thought I'd share what might be some strange form of early dementia.

 
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Old 12-25-2020, 07:42 PM   #205
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Beware: this glitchford ......brainwashed...now trying to brainwash guys here....

 
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Old 12-26-2020, 02:20 AM   #206
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The album is really growing on me.

I couldn't stand any of the singles as they were released. I skipped through them the first time I listened to the album as a whole and didn't have any desire to listen to it again. Every song sounded the same. I thought this was probably the worst post-Machina material to date.

I waited a few days and gave it another listen. Then a few more days and another listen.

I think "first real album with James and Jimmy back" set my expectations for a rocker and they were certainly subverted.

I don't expect anyone else here to follow, but I thought I'd share what might be some strange form of early dementia.
I've had a similar experience. When COL and Cyr came out, I thought they were pretty much among the worst songs the band had ever released. But oddly enough, I warmed up to them over time. And each time I come back to the album, I feel like I understand it a little better, and therefore like it more. Same thing sort of happened with MTAE, but this album just has a steep listening process.

I've been into Minerva a lot lately.

 
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Old 12-26-2020, 05:57 AM   #207
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To my cyrprise this is no longer a shiny and oh so bright album, but more of another teargarden...

 
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Old 01-19-2021, 06:25 AM   #208
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Whatever spell this album briefly had over me has passed. Took 80 days.

Monuments did a similar thing. Purple Blood / SYT are the only real keepers. I'll probably return to it more than those just cos of the volume of tracks, but yeah, 30% of the album is straight trash, the rest are draped in a sheen of Corgan's patented song-ruining gloop.

It sounds like absolute ass on good headphones. No soundstage, flat, hot garbage. That's right, I'm an audiophile now. Soundstage. Bill needs to dig his voice a hole under it. Shiny sounded better.

 
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Old 01-19-2021, 08:21 AM   #209
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I HAVE THREE PHDS IN ENGLISH LIT

HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE?

THAT'S RIGHT: NONE
PHD's

 
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Old 01-19-2021, 08:28 AM   #210
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PHD's
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