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10-06-2017, 12:38 PM | #61 |
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Yeah liam isn't bi 4 sure. closeminded twerp.
noel on the other hand... |
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10-06-2017, 01:41 PM | #62 | ||
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10-06-2017, 01:43 PM | #63 |
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But it still feels like I'd be bandwagoning to start tying myself to the LGBTQ community now that it's socially more acceptable.
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10-06-2017, 02:56 PM | #64 | |
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At the same time it would seem incredibly appropriative for someone like me with these attitudes and experiences to use that label simply because I ideologically feel opposed to normative models of love and sex, right? |
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10-06-2017, 07:20 PM | #65 | |
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How is a man and woman, with the ability to reproduce naturally, constraining and oppressive models of a family? |
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10-06-2017, 07:21 PM | #66 | |
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Different queer people have different views on the word as well. I think quite a few people identify as queer because they feel that the words gay, lesbian, bi, trans, etc. don't quite fit them - they feel reality is more complex than those categories. I feel a bit differently. I do think reality is more complex, and I don't feel cis and bi describe me perfectly either (I'm not gender-conforming in many senses; the exact ways I'm attracted to different genders aren't a mirror image of each other). But I also feel that if I only described myself as queer, that would be too vague. It'd make many of my experiences invisible instead of honoring their specificities. So I generally identify as bi AND queer. Bi because I'm also attracted to genders other than my own, and queer as a personal/political stance. * Information technology. Seriously though, I said "poly or kinky", but I'm not saying both things are related - I myself am poly but not kinky. It's just that I've seen both poly and kinky people do that. |
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10-06-2017, 07:24 PM | #67 |
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10-06-2017, 07:40 PM | #68 |
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that guy is a straight up nazi sympathizer, NOT who this thread is for.
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10-06-2017, 07:43 PM | #69 | |
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10-06-2017, 07:44 PM | #70 |
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10-06-2017, 08:05 PM | #71 |
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I figured you knew I just wanted to call him a nazi sympathizer
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10-06-2017, 09:22 PM | #72 |
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i guess id be considered queer but wouldnt really want to label myself
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10-06-2017, 09:23 PM | #73 |
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10-06-2017, 09:31 PM | #74 | |
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10-06-2017, 09:40 PM | #75 |
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polymammary
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10-06-2017, 10:09 PM | #76 |
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It might not fit in this thread but how does anyone feel about Jordan Peterson?
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10-06-2017, 10:12 PM | #77 |
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might not be pertinent to this thread but i agree with how he says that language is a social negotiation and cannot be forced..
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10-06-2017, 10:27 PM | #78 |
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Anything else?
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10-07-2017, 06:57 AM | #79 | |
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I think the use of "queer" can be complicated because it's a slur against lgbt people that was reclaimed by lgbt people - I felt uncomfortable calling myself queer for ages even though I felt a strong affinity to it. It was only after I started exploring the fact that I was bi that I stopped worrying I was appropriating the word. It's probably some internalized prejudice, I don't know. It's weird to feel close to an idea and constantly question whether you belong. So I think you're right that less gatekeeping is generally a good thing. As far as I'm concerned, if you're genuinely uncomfortable with the status quo, if you're seriously questioning how gender is done or how relationships are done, you are welcome under the queer umbrella, even if you are mostly cis or straight. It doesn't mean you won't find any resistance from anyone (because you will), but I guess that's the nature of social groups. I wouldn't even attribute meanness to some forms of gatekeeping, just fear and self-preservation. I admit I feel a bit suspicious about polyamory being considered queer, even though I am poly, and I feel my polyamory is very much a part of my queerness. There are so many ways to be poly, and some of them are very traditional in every aspect other than the number of partners you have (not unlike conservative, assimilated, suburban married gay couples who are "normal" otherwise). Some of them can be quite sexist too. But I do feel other ways of doing polyamory count as queer. But then again, who gets to decide that? I don't trust myself as gatekeeper. I don't think anyone should trust themselves. So we are left with self-identification, and with being generous when approaching other people, and treating them as people. It's not always an easy thing to do when you are an embattled minority, but it's what should be done. Last edited by Rairun : 10-07-2017 at 07:02 AM. |
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10-07-2017, 08:06 AM | #80 |
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I know you're just being flippant, but it's funny how you finished by telling us to get a job. I think there's a continuity there between heteronormativity, and the idea of love and family as a private experience between two people and their offspring, and the creation of these self-contained productive units that make money for rich people. I'm not saying that it's all a big conspiracy, but the nuclear family does sit perfectly within this capitalist hellhole.
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10-07-2017, 08:22 AM | #81 | |
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He is repackaging decades old anti liberal anti feminist anti black vitriol into a form that is easier for "centrists" to accept. The right wing was ranting about post Modernism 30 years ago. Most of his ranting is effectively straw man arguments. |
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10-07-2017, 10:13 AM | #82 |
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As long as he doesn't take a knee during the anthem I support him!
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10-07-2017, 10:25 AM | #83 |
Shut the fuck up!
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bigots are so predictable. you criticize them and they reply by saying you hate free speech. I support free speech. I support everyone's right to tell other people that they are shit and their ideas are shit.
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10-07-2017, 10:48 AM | #84 |
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It's the only thing some football fans respect! It could trigger them if you don't stand for the anthem! They came to watch wifebeaters give each other concussions, not to think about disadvantages they don't personally face!
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10-07-2017, 10:51 AM | #85 |
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nobody is forcing them to be a football player if they don't like it there is the door no reason to show disrespect towards a national symbol this is the country you live in the country that has given you everything if you don't like it go back where you came from
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10-07-2017, 10:51 AM | #86 |
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simple
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10-07-2017, 10:52 AM | #87 |
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✔️ SJWs
✔️ Feminists ❌ Post-modernists ❌ Bolsheviks ✔️ Queers |
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10-07-2017, 10:58 AM | #88 |
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Agreed. If any coloured people don't like the way they feel like they are treated by the authorities in America, they should feel free to move back to whichever country they came from that American authorities fucked up through neoliberalism and regime change.
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10-07-2017, 12:33 PM | #89 |
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If you don't masturbate during the anthem then you're free to leave the greatest country in the world.
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10-07-2017, 01:37 PM | #90 |
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BTW I am sorry if what I said came off in a weird or offensive way, I know at least a few people interpreted my question about queerness as pretty ignorant and I blame my poor articulation.
I have no problem with dating a queer person and I don't feel strange about it at all. I know she is interested in me and it is explicitly a date so I wasn't questioning anything like that. I literally just meant that I am ignorant about what the word means and was seeking serious answers to educate myself. |
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