Adore 1997 vs Adore 2014 remaster

Ihaguitar · 12:38 PM

This comparison is interesting, because overall the remaster is no more compressed than the original CD.

Adore 1998 = DR 8
Adore 2014 = DR 8

Links here:
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/145497
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/150667

When you look at individual tracks it gets more interesting. The original Pug is a very squashed DR 4 whereas the remastered Pug is DR 7. In fact there are only two tracks that drop in DR value for the remaster - Crestfallen and Behold! The Nightmare. They drop by one point each, whereas several other tracks move in the opposite direction the same amount.

Green Eyes · 10-20-2018, 06:24 AM

That is super interesting, please tell me less.

houseofglass11 · 10-20-2018, 06:33 AM

Adore 1998

Funbags · 10-20-2018, 06:37 AM

I dunno. I didn't really listen to the remastered stereo version. I was into the mono mix.

smashingjj · 10-20-2018, 07:27 AM

I'd love to hear adore 1997.

T&T · 10-20-2018, 08:08 AM

I liked adore 1996. the best of the DR.

srt4b · 10-20-2018, 08:11 AM

I hate all remasters in general

Corgan's Bluff · 10-20-2018, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Green Eyes

That is super interesting, please tell me less.

Nobody told you, you had to read this thread...

Was there a high resolution download available from "Adore"?

RenewRevive · 10-20-2018, 01:29 PM

I think I listened to the remaster only a coupla times on Spotify. I honestly couldn't tell the difference. Been the same with all the remasters so far. The only one I play is the digital DL of MCIS as I almost never play CDs anymore. I'm no audiophile, can anybody explain what they actually did? I know about the alt take of one of the songs (Frail and Bedazzled?) they (mistakenly?) used on the PI redo.

redbreegull · 10-20-2018, 01:33 PM

The MCIS remaster is the best remaster I have ever heard. In fairness, I don't like remasters cause most of them seem to ruin the gentleness and nuance of the original for a cheap volume boost, but MCIS sounds amazing. Listen to the original Jellybelly vs. 2012 Jellybelly on headphones and you will understand the difference immediately.

The other reissues I could take or leave. Gish and SD sounded fine but just too loud, like they didn't need to be remastered. Adore was basically the same for me. the PI remaster sounds like shit for some reason and they fucked up some of the tracks on some songs I think?

Ihaguitar · 10-20-2018, 03:08 PM

PI is too compressed on the remaster.

Mals Marola · 10-20-2018, 04:32 PM

When the remasters first came out I A/B'd some of Mellon Collie and aside from a couple of tracks (Lily being the most notable from what I remember) the differences were pretty damn subtle. Don't think I ever even tried it with Adore

killtrocity · 10-20-2018, 04:42 PM

I agree with RBG, the only noticeable improvement is MCIS.

And definitely the remastered Pug. But like that's it

houseofglass11 · 10-20-2018, 04:49 PM

The MCIS remaster was great. I notice a difference on Adore too. Some of the quiet parts on To Sheila, for example, have more clarity and stand out more.

inkless · 01-23-2021, 01:30 PM

why the reissue is not 24 bit ?
Same for tafth ?

fluxequalsrad · 01-24-2021, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbreegull

the PI remaster sounds like shit for some reason and they fucked up some of the tracks on some songs I think?

On the reissue, the vocal take on Plume is definitely different. It might not be the entire take, but there is absolutely a line or two switched.

Reyngel · 01-24-2021, 01:37 PM

One of the things that still bothers me about the Adore remaster is how 2 lines of Crestfallen were just taken out and deleted.

In the original 1998 Crestfallen, he sings “Who am I?” 6 times at the end. But in the remaster, they truncated it to only 4 times. Makes the song end too fast. I prefer the original.

Reyngel · 01-24-2021, 01:38 PM

Another difference if I remember correctly is the end of Ava Adore... I think it goes a little longer before 100% fade out, so you hear a little more instrumentation.

T&T · 01-24-2021, 01:41 PM

shit. imagine if these adore changes are issues, how many changes will be outrageous for the machine reissue.?

slunken · 01-24-2021, 02:39 PM

a lot of the bonus tracks are clipped

themadcaplaughs · 01-24-2021, 04:40 PM

I remember the bonus tracks on Pisces being clipped to the point of almost being humorous, but I haven't listened to those tracks in years. I loved the cassette replica and getting a DVD copy of the Pulse show, but I remember the bonus disc being the least interesting of the box sets so far.

As other stated, Mellon Collie was the only album I could tell a noticeable difference on, and those were fairly subtle. Some of the heavier songs ("Jellybelly, "Where Boys Fear to Tread" and "Bodies) sounded clearer and loss bottom heavy/muddy than the original, but I imagine the changes only make a difference to people like us who have listened to the original for years.

Shadaloo · 06:55 PM

Gish - never noticed much in the way of changes

SD - Flipped channels on silverfuck

Pisces - Plume wrong take, bonus disc badly brickwalled

MCIS - Vast improvement over original

TAFH - Wrong vocal take on dreaming

Adore - Crestfallen as above. IIRC 17 was also different somehow

I take solace in the fact that Machina isn't even supposed to be the same album so changes made are irrelevant to me

Ram27 · 01-24-2021, 05:43 PM

i've never listened to the remaster, the golden era is perfect and i don't want 2011 billy's take on these songs

that being said i've switched out in itunes my machina copy for the tape rip, and ZG->present for the vocal down mixes. i have the real version under 'SP Extras' for reference

Shadaloo · 01-24-2021, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram27

i've never listened to the remaster, the golden era is perfect

No it isn't. MCIS always sounded muddy

MyKeyZ · 01-24-2021, 08:26 PM

I hate that Eye on the Adore bonus disc is a completely different mix/version altogether.

I prefer the original Lost Highway version.

Shallowed · 01-24-2021, 08:28 PM

I downloaded a cassette rip of Machina from Soulseek and it turned out to just be a CD rip with the volume reduced.

Gooch · 01-25-2021, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

I hate that Eye on the Adore bonus disc is a completely different mix/version altogether.

I prefer the original Lost Highway version.

Wow thanks for pointing this out. - yes the LH is “better” I agree. Interesting...

TheAlter · 01-25-2021, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram27

i've never listened to the remaster, the golden era is perfect and i don't want 2011 billy's take on these songs

True, and what's up with all the cherrypicking from Reel Time, Sadlands and Ignoffo demos? Just add the whole sessions to the bonus discs.

FYI the word "*******" gets the ***** treatment on here.

TheAlter · 01-25-2021, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

I hate that Eye on the Adore bonus disc is a completely different mix/version altogether.

I prefer the original Lost Highway version.

Wow the 2014 mix is terrible. Sounds like somewhere down the line B0lly decided he's a pop singer instead of a guitarist that also sings.

VoxUpDoc · 01-25-2021, 08:55 AM

After hearing what he did to Eye on the Adore remaster, I can't wait for the VoxUp mix of Machina.

10-20-2018, 05:07 AM	#1
Ihaguitar Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,359	Adore 1998 vs Adore 2014 remaster This comparison is interesting, because overall the remaster is no more compressed than the original CD. Adore 1998 = DR 8 Adore 2014 = DR 8 Links here: http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/145497 http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/150667 When you look at individual tracks it gets more interesting. The original Pug is a very squashed DR 4 whereas the remastered Pug is DR 7. In fact there are only two tracks that drop in DR value for the remaster - Crestfallen and Behold! The Nightmare. They drop by one point each, whereas several other tracks move in the opposite direction the same amount. Last edited by Ihaguitar : 10-20-2018 at 12:38 PM.

01-24-2021, 04:54 PM	#22
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,676	Gish - never noticed much in the way of changes SD - Flipped channels on silverfuck Pisces - Plume wrong take, bonus disc badly brickwalled MCIS - Vast improvement over original TAFH - Wrong vocal take on dreaming Adore - Crestfallen as above. IIRC 17 was also different somehow I take solace in the fact that Machina isn't even supposed to be the same album so changes made are irrelevant to me Last edited by Shadaloo : 01-24-2021 at 06:55 PM.

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10-20-2018, 06:24 AM	#2
Green Eyes Demi-God Location: Sweden Posts: 286	That is super interesting, please tell me less.

10-20-2018, 06:33 AM	#3
houseofglass11 Minion of Satan Location: sleuthing around like a worm Posts: 5,691	Adore 1998

10-20-2018, 06:37 AM	#4
Funbags Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,426	I dunno. I didn't really listen to the remastered stereo version. I was into the mono mix.

10-20-2018, 07:27 AM	#5
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	I'd love to hear adore 1997.

10-20-2018, 08:08 AM	#6
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,679	I liked adore 1996. the best of the DR.

10-20-2018, 08:11 AM	#7
srt4b Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,098	I hate all remasters in general

10-20-2018, 01:29 PM	#9
RenewRevive Minion of Satan Location: Welcome to the real world jackass Posts: 5,056	I think I listened to the remaster only a coupla times on Spotify. I honestly couldn't tell the difference. Been the same with all the remasters so far. The only one I play is the digital DL of MCIS as I almost never play CDs anymore. I'm no audiophile, can anybody explain what they actually did? I know about the alt take of one of the songs (Frail and Bedazzled?) they (mistakenly?) used on the PI redo.

10-20-2018, 01:33 PM	#10
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,753	The MCIS remaster is the best remaster I have ever heard. In fairness, I don't like remasters cause most of them seem to ruin the gentleness and nuance of the original for a cheap volume boost, but MCIS sounds amazing. Listen to the original Jellybelly vs. 2012 Jellybelly on headphones and you will understand the difference immediately. The other reissues I could take or leave. Gish and SD sounded fine but just too loud, like they didn't need to be remastered. Adore was basically the same for me. the PI remaster sounds like shit for some reason and they fucked up some of the tracks on some songs I think?

10-20-2018, 03:08 PM	#11
Ihaguitar Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,359	PI is too compressed on the remaster.

10-20-2018, 04:32 PM	#12
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	When the remasters first came out I A/B'd some of Mellon Collie and aside from a couple of tracks (Lily being the most notable from what I remember) the differences were pretty damn subtle. Don't think I ever even tried it with Adore

10-20-2018, 04:42 PM	#13
killtrocity Saturday Night Goth Location: POLLOS Posts: 9,207	I agree with RBG, the only noticeable improvement is MCIS. And definitely the remastered Pug. But like that's it

10-20-2018, 04:49 PM	#14
houseofglass11 Minion of Satan Location: sleuthing around like a worm Posts: 5,691	The MCIS remaster was great. I notice a difference on Adore too. Some of the quiet parts on To Sheila, for example, have more clarity and stand out more.

01-23-2021, 01:30 PM	#15
inkless Ownz Posts: 556	why the reissue is not 24 bit ? Same for tafth ?

01-24-2021, 01:37 PM	#17
Reyngel Apocalyptic Poster Location: Seattle Posts: 3,682	One of the things that still bothers me about the Adore remaster is how 2 lines of Crestfallen were just taken out and deleted. In the original 1998 Crestfallen, he sings “Who am I?” 6 times at the end. But in the remaster, they truncated it to only 4 times. Makes the song end too fast. I prefer the original.

01-24-2021, 01:38 PM	#18
Reyngel Apocalyptic Poster Location: Seattle Posts: 3,682	Another difference if I remember correctly is the end of Ava Adore... I think it goes a little longer before 100% fade out, so you hear a little more instrumentation.

01-24-2021, 01:41 PM	#19
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,679	shit. imagine if these adore changes are issues, how many changes will be outrageous for the machine reissue.?

01-24-2021, 02:39 PM	#20
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	a lot of the bonus tracks are clipped

01-24-2021, 04:40 PM	#21
themadcaplaughs Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,628	I remember the bonus tracks on Pisces being clipped to the point of almost being humorous, but I haven't listened to those tracks in years. I loved the cassette replica and getting a DVD copy of the Pulse show, but I remember the bonus disc being the least interesting of the box sets so far. As other stated, Mellon Collie was the only album I could tell a noticeable difference on, and those were fairly subtle. Some of the heavier songs ("Jellybelly, "Where Boys Fear to Tread" and "Bodies) sounded clearer and loss bottom heavy/muddy than the original, but I imagine the changes only make a difference to people like us who have listened to the original for years.

01-24-2021, 05:43 PM	#23
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,368	i've never listened to the remaster, the golden era is perfect and i don't want 2011 billy's take on these songs that being said i've switched out in itunes my machina copy for the tape rip, and ZG->present for the vocal down mixes. i have the real version under 'SP Extras' for reference

01-24-2021, 08:26 PM	#25
MyKeyZ Apocalyptic Poster Location: A very stable individual Posts: 1,690	I hate that Eye on the Adore bonus disc is a completely different mix/version altogether. I prefer the original Lost Highway version.

01-24-2021, 08:28 PM	#26
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 18,608	I downloaded a cassette rip of Machina from Soulseek and it turned out to just be a CD rip with the volume reduced.

01-25-2021, 08:55 AM	#30
VoxUpDoc Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,881	After hearing what he did to Eye on the Adore remaster, I can't wait for the VoxUp mix of Machina.