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01-06-2016, 05:19 PM | #271 | |
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01-06-2016, 05:20 PM | #272 |
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The Beatles are probably the biggest influence on Billy in terms of intense studio detail, but they don't compare in terms of the actual amount of things happening in their songs. There are SP songs with well over a hundred tracks of instrumentation. George Martin is a wizard, but I don't even know if that kind of track layering was possible in the 60s. When Queen recorded Bohemian Rhapsody, the number of vocal tracks required them to bundle many tracks together into "songs" and then play those groupings of tracks back and re-record the multitude of voices onto a smaller number of tracks. So there were definitely technological limitations that had disappeared by the time Butch Vig sat down behind the glass and recorded the Pumpkins.
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01-06-2016, 08:04 PM | #273 |
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not entirely accurate.
SD, too, was recorded in analogue. it's more a matter of working procedures that got more advanced, but the gear itself is essentially very similar. i reckon they used two 24-track tape machines for SD, and just kept bouncing stuff until they had it all tidied up. i'm guessing it was pretty difficult to mix it, though, because you had many channels that doubled as "vocal/guitar line at 2:43/harmonize at 3:33/double chorus from 4:11 onwards" kinda stuff. butch vig mentioned he had to draw "guitar maps" to be able to get his head around all that stuff. the beatles had much, much less stuff going on simultaneously. their main innovations were their use of effects, ADT (simulated double tracking for vocals), and interesting arrangements that step outside the rock formulas (brass instruments, introducing sitars to rock music, etc). |
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01-06-2016, 08:08 PM | #274 |
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btw a track like bohemian rhapsody has much more tracks than anything off SD, i'd reckon.
three singers singing four part harmonies, with each of them doubling his line three times, and then repeating the process until it sounds like a choir. it's easily like 140 vocal tracks alone all combined |
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01-06-2016, 10:32 PM | #275 | |
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I would hazard a guess that Queen themselves were a huge influence on Billy in terms of guitar layering and harmonics, and in the Z era of course, vocals as well. The Beatles I think are obviously a direct influence on the Pumpkins in a lot of ways and song arrangement is a big one... When you hear an SP song with a ton of different orchestral things going on, it's directly tied to the Beatles I think. But in terms of the lengths to which the respective bands took that eye for minute detail, the Beatles don't even come close to the Pumpkins, not even on on Sgt. Pepper or Abbey Road |
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01-07-2016, 05:11 AM | #276 |
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that's not how it works.
babies take 9 months to make in a womans stomach. and the woman gets the baby when she decides she loves the man. no one knows if billy really is the father of Baby AJ like we don't know how many times billy re-wrote and re-recorded Roustabout. I think it's safe to assume that since Baby AJ was born in November, billy had plenty of time to re-write and dedicate this song to him. Do you think Airplane mode would object? do Airplane mode mothers take longer or shorter to make a baby? It might actually be the same but I'm not sure, she should do and AMA on Netphoria. Who's going to ask her about the artificial insemination? I nominate mickeyShambles |
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01-07-2016, 09:07 AM | #277 | |
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it would be really interesting to do what the beatles could come up with with more advanced studio methods. it's funny you mentioned song arrangements being a direct tie to the beatles though - i don't think i had ever heard anybody who constructs their songs like old man bill used to do. the beatles are much more "tidy" in that regard, as in - their songs usually adhere to verse/chorus/verse/chorus. billiam used to have many different sections which were all spinoffs on the same progression that served as different parts of the song, which i could never recreate with my own writing, and frankly hadn't really seen anybody do quite like him. |
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01-07-2016, 01:48 PM | #278 |
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i love how sharp the mellotron on Spaceboy is
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01-07-2016, 03:00 PM | #279 | |
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another big influence on the way the instruments are put together is probably Phil Spector |
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01-09-2016, 01:14 AM | #280 |
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Can anybody tell me if that is a scream toward the end of Disarm or is it a cymbal? I always thought it was a scream because in the Vieuphoria tape he says the mellotron is used for people screaming.
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01-09-2016, 02:20 AM | #281 |
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Like at the very end? That's a cymbal
There's a lot of cymbal swells towards the end anything that sounds like a scream is probably an orchestral thing |
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01-09-2016, 02:39 AM | #282 |
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01-09-2016, 03:07 AM | #283 | |
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Listening to SP (esp. SD thru Adore) both trained my ears to listen below the surface and also spoiled me to the extent that, yes, the studio output of many (most?) other rock artists just doesn't sound nearly as interesting |
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01-09-2016, 06:31 AM | #284 |
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When he goes "you once made me smuh-eye ... Then you'd stray"
In Being Beige I like the choked/gasped out "smuh-eye" = best moment on EMTEA Last edited by run2pee : 01-09-2016 at 12:52 PM. |
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01-09-2016, 10:58 AM | #285 |
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The falsetto Michael Jackson 'oh's on the Widow Wake My Mind intro are the worst thing he's ever done
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01-09-2016, 03:39 PM | #286 | |
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Probably completely my imagination but at the time it was like I'd stumbled onto a profoundly moving secret, lol, lol |
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01-14-2016, 07:43 AM | #287 |
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"Welcome to nowhere fast!"
Greatest opening line to a rock song ever. |
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01-14-2016, 10:32 AM | #288 |
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the finer point of this song is that the vocals have been removed, no offense to the b0llster
this is the kind of thing that still gets my dick hard after 25 years of listening to the Pumpkins |
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01-14-2016, 11:00 AM | #289 |
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Fuck yeah
Coolest stuff on the reissues were the instrumentals and SBDs |
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01-14-2016, 11:06 AM | #290 |
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Right
that Jellybelly is insane too |
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01-14-2016, 04:00 PM | #291 |
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the opening of Jellybelly is one of those misheard lyrics i always wish was the real line - "We're going nowhere fast." wtf does "Welcome to nowhere fast" mean? another gripe - the second verse of Here is No Why sounds like "Somewhere, people tear down over a frowning smile." the actual line makes more literal sense "Somewhere, he pulls his hair down over a frowning smile" - but the way Bill pronounces it is just
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01-14-2016, 04:00 PM | #292 |
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best opening line on MCIS?
"the useless drag of another day" |
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01-14-2016, 05:48 PM | #293 |
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"Time is never time at all" or "I fear that I am ordinary just like everyone"
I quite enjoyed "the useless drag of another day" when I was like 15 _____________ I've probably misheard like half of the SP catalog at some point because BC enunciates things so weirdly |
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01-14-2016, 07:38 PM | #294 |
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01-14-2016, 08:01 PM | #295 | |
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The whole song sounds like it's about a moody teenager (maybe Corgan's younger self) that Corgan is telling to cheer up. |
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01-14-2016, 11:29 PM | #296 |
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01-14-2016, 11:43 PM | #297 |
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I DON' WANNA FIGHT
EVERY SINGLE NIGHT by far best pumpkin lyric to open a song /thread |
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01-15-2016, 10:16 AM | #298 |
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01-15-2016, 12:48 PM | #299 |
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You answered your own question here. "We're going (nowhere fast)" -> "Welcome to (nowhere fast)". It means you're already there. Get it?
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01-15-2016, 04:38 PM | #300 |
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hm that never occurred to me. i stand corrected. the actual line is pretty cool to me now. damn. it's an awesome play on words.
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