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12-21-2007, 07:09 PM | #1 |
Master of Karate and Friendship
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Hillary Clinton wants to take away your video games
So does Mitt Romney
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...n-would-c.html Clinton Would Crack Down on Computer-Generated Cartoon Sex By Kevin Poulsen http://blog.wired.com/images/icon_email.gifDecember 21, 2007 | 3:46:11 PMCategories: Election '08 http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncateg...t_coffee_2.png Hillary Clinton is still outraged that Rockstar Games left a sexually-themed mini game nestled in its best-selling Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas in 2005. http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncateg.../clinton_3.jpg You'll recall the kafuffle when the deactivated love scene was found buried in the code for the otherwise wholesome car jacking, cop-killing shooter. The unfinished mini-game featured clothed characters simulating sex acts. To access the scene, randy teens had to download and install a special patch developed by a Dutch coder, expending more effort than it takes to find real, human adult content on the web. That all led some cynics to suspect Clinton of grandstanding when she called a press conference to denounce Rockstar and demand a Federal Trade Commission investigation into San Andreas. The ESRB re-rated the game to AO for "adults only," raising the minimum age of purchase from 17 to 18 years old -- a crucial year in which a teen develops the necessary psychological defenses to resist the Siren song of polygon porn. But in a response to a questionnaire from the watchdog group Common Sense Media, Clinton reveals today that she still sees the affair as a victory for child safety. She describe her introduction of the doomed Family Entertainment Protection Actas a response to the "illicit" sexual content in San Andreas, and says, as president, she'd support regulation of the gaming industry. "When I am President, I will work to protect children from inappropriate video game content," she told CSM. That puts her on the same page as Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who told CSM that the U.S. needs to "get serious against those retailers that sell adult video games that are filled with violence and that we go after those retailers." Clinton's fellow Democrats John Edwards, Barack Obama and Bill Richardson said they'd rather give the industry a chance to self-regulate, at least initially. Clinton's Family Entertainment Protection Act would have made it a federal offense to sell adult-rated video games to minors. It never passed, but similar state laws have been struck down as unconstitutional. Clinton's co-sponsor on the bill, Joseph Lieberman, had his own video game nemesis: Stubbs the Zombie, who, like too many politicians, needs braaiiiins. |
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12-21-2007, 07:11 PM | #2 |
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SONOFABITCH IM VOTING RON PAUL NOW THEN
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12-21-2007, 07:16 PM | #3 |
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Yeah she's pretty big on this. She probably just sucks at games
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12-21-2007, 07:58 PM | #4 |
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we've taken care of everything
the words you read the songs you sing the pictures that give pleasure to your eye |
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12-21-2007, 08:25 PM | #5 |
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Can't take an article seriously that uses the word "kafuffle."
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12-21-2007, 08:32 PM | #6 |
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This is definately a major issue.
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12-21-2007, 09:33 PM | #7 |
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I don't see why people get all hot and bothered by this kind of shit. They act like Clinton is taking their copy of GTA and burning it. She supports appropriate labeling on games and there are a lot of games that should tough for a kid to just walk into a store and pick up.
I worked at a video game rental store for a long time and it was very frustrating to try and do the right thing. I always wished it was more standard to check ids and not let kids get their hands on that kind of shit. years of watching 6 year old kids renting Manhunt, GTA, Leisure suit larry, etc sure put me in the mind of "FUCK ... this shit needs to change." |
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12-21-2007, 10:02 PM | #8 | |
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12-22-2007, 02:34 AM | #9 |
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The REAL issue is that stores won't carry adult rated games. Sony won't even allow adult rated games on their system (that's why manhunt 2 had to be edited down). The solution is for adult only games (like nc-17 movies) to be acceptable and mainstream.
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12-22-2007, 05:59 AM | #10 |
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If Tipper Gore can do it, so can hills.
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12-22-2007, 06:32 AM | #11 |
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Oh no!
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12-22-2007, 10:25 AM | #12 |
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Yeah, bloody Tipper and Hillary.
I really hope McCain gets elected, although he'd be the oldest president in history. |
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12-22-2007, 03:57 PM | #13 | |
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12-22-2007, 07:25 PM | #14 | |
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12-22-2007, 07:25 PM | #15 | |
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12-22-2007, 09:00 PM | #16 | |
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12-22-2007, 09:01 PM | #17 |
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Im a Nintendo fanboy, this doesnt affect me.
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12-22-2007, 11:31 PM | #18 | |
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that's the point. YES the company COULD have had a policy. But the company didn't give a shit about the children and were worried about making money(The owners were heavy donors of the republican party btw). This is exactly why some government regulation is a good thing. Thanks for bringing it up! |
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12-22-2007, 11:54 PM | #19 | |
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12-23-2007, 04:56 PM | #20 | |
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Censorship (or "protecting the children") is an equal opportunity fuckup in American politics as far as party affiliation goes. Both sides have people who favor it, and all of those people are wrong. And really, is the risk of some 15 year old kid playing Grand Theft Auto really worth unleashing the power of the federal government against individual business owners and corporations? I don't see how anyone can support this kind of stuff on any level. |
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12-24-2007, 02:13 PM | #21 | |
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I didn't say that Republicans don't care about children... That would be absurd based on the moral america bullshit that the religious right pushes forth. It's not censorship. It's putting the power in the hands of the parents where it should be. The games can still be made and sold. Any business that sells or rents The Guy Game to a 6 year old needs to be punished. |
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12-25-2007, 05:34 PM | #22 | |
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Oh, and I think the parents are involved as most 6 year olds don't have $60 and easy access to get to and from such stores |
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12-26-2007, 01:08 AM | #23 | |
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Let me break this down for you. 1. takes 5 bucks to rent a game. 2. video rental stores are in the neighborhood. A lot of kids just walk or ride their bikes. 3. The younger ones come with their older siblings. Reality has a liberal bias I guess. |
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12-26-2007, 01:13 AM | #24 |
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Nimrod:
Do you think the government should have the power to stop kids from renting pornography?? Or are you that much of an anti-regulation guy? If not then why not? |
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12-26-2007, 01:41 AM | #25 | |
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I have never walked or ridden my bike to the video store. I don't know anyone who has. I haven't even heard of anyone who has. And I imagine it's that way for most people. Again, maybe it's different where you live, but in most places I don't think unaccompanied minors find their ways into the video store all that often (and certainly not often enough for the federal government to be involved). Besides, this whole business about the government protecting kids from porn is just pointless. Anyone who's ever been young knows that kids have their ways of seeing what's forbidden to be seen. If kids can get around their parents' protection, why in the world would you expect the government to do any better? All the government can do is make things hard on people who are already of age to view the stuff legally. |
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12-26-2007, 02:10 AM | #26 |
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I would think Southeast Michigan/Metro Detriot(ie the middle class/upper class suburbs) are pretty common... and I've traveled a bit to know that it is common.
I've worked in 15 different stores in this area and lots of kids ride their bikes and/ or walk. Lot of them hit up the video store while walking home from school. This is a fact. I used to ride my bike to work. You're second point about kids renting porn is just silly. Just because kids find ways to see it doesn't mean it should be legal and fine to profit from it in a business. Kids can find guns in their parents house too that doesn't mean the government can't impose a restriction so that Kmart doesn't sell a shotgun to a minor. If you can't concede this point at least then really there is no point in debating anymore. |
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12-26-2007, 02:49 AM | #27 | ||
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And of course, the most important question is: is a kid playing a violent game or seeing a little porn really the sort of devastating social problem that we need the federal (or state, for that matter) government to take care of? Sure, no one likes the idea of kids seeing porn...but do we really want to use the power of government to stop something just because it makes us uncomfortable? What's the goal that's going to be achieved with this exertion of power over businesses and consumers? Quote:
I'm not saying "Let the kids buy their porn. They're gonna get it anyway." I'm just saying that there is no reason to think that the government is in any better position whatsoever to keep porn out of kids' hands than parents are, so it makes no sense to get them involved in this issue. |
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12-26-2007, 03:07 AM | #28 | |
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Oh it makes complete sense. If the some nut decided it would be ok to sell my child Back Door Sluts 9 you better believe I want to be able to call the police and have the fucker arrested. |
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12-26-2007, 03:23 AM | #29 | |
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And let's be real here, we're not really talking about kids renting or buying or being provided hardcore porn. There's already a variety of laws on nearly every level that cover that sort of thing. We're ultimately talking about stuff that's a little more difficult to define than that. |
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12-26-2007, 12:29 PM | #30 |
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you just went from arguing against ANY government intervention to arguing against federal intervention vs. state intervention..... wow Corganist.
I'm done talking about this with you. You know where I stand. |
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