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Old 08-15-2014, 07:01 PM   #211
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hey arent you gonna hit me with a "fuck you!"??? Im counting on it, Pootz!

 
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Old 08-15-2014, 07:07 PM   #212
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Trolling?
If not, there are 2 versions of Saturnine - the Adore outtake and the one from Machina II, Saturn9.

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3. Saturnine - "Saturn9"

As there was no tracklist included with the release, song titles are given as their standard name, and some were given additional descriptive comments in parentheses by SPFC. A press release issued later includes slightly different versions of the song titles, which are given in quotes as appropriate.
Adore reissue:
Disc 4, 9. Saturnine (For Piano and Voice)
Disc 5, 11. Saturnine (Matt Walker Reimagined/2014)

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Old 08-15-2014, 07:13 PM   #213
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Uh, ok. I really don't know. I think it's the Machina II version. Is that Satur9?

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Old 08-15-2014, 07:46 PM   #214
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the Machina II album that was put on the internet through fans, those are all just rough mixes. Every one of those mixes took like an hour, they didnít get any kind of star treatment.
but this is my favorite thing about m2

 
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Old 08-15-2014, 07:58 PM   #215
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Basically all of the different names arose from the fact that the album didn't come with a tracklist as such. A lot of the songs had been played live or different versions released before Machina II.

I believe Eric Agnew was the first to rip and leak it, and took it upon himself to christen the songs that he already knew about with parentheses like (Spacey)

The radio station Q101 made a limited run of CDs from their own copy, Virgin (I think?) made promo CDs from theirs, and the SP Internet Fan Club ripped a copy too. These all had varying titles for some of the songs. At some point there was a press release with "official" titles, but as you can see, people still use all different kinds of versions. Once the Machina reissue comes out, people are probably still going to use whatever titles they've been using all along.

 
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:01 PM   #216
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but this is my favorite thing about m2
Same. It's really disappointing how much shit Machina II gets for its sound. I really like it.

Machina II is probably my second favourite SP album after Siamese Dream.

 
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Old 08-15-2014, 09:45 PM   #217
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but this is my favorite thing about m2
exactly. It was a totally different sounding record. Which was refreshing when you had resigned yourself to Corgan's (albeit good) excessive production. It was like Dylan's Basement Tapes.

 
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Old 08-16-2014, 10:17 AM   #218
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everyone always complains about the noisy production of white spider and Real Love. i love them that way. it's an original take on the wall of fuzz for the year 2000. I still love it.

in white spider, is that a drum machine?

 
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Old 08-16-2014, 10:28 AM   #219
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The German version is SaturNEIN.

 
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:50 PM   #220
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white spyder is awesome but real love is a top 20 SP song

 
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:57 PM   #221
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Real Love is top 5

 
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:58 PM   #222
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Those vocals at the climax.

Goosebumps

 
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Old 08-16-2014, 06:10 PM   #223
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the songwriting itself is phenomenal. i really started appreciating it when i was learning to play it.

all the lyrics are amazing... maybe my favorite is:

In the eyes, behold, and you'll find the 21st century
You detonate her will and her widowed speech
Buried in the backyard shadow, the rusty coffee tin
That held her mother's first kiss in a nameless dream


The performance is great, I like how the chorus is non-linear and doesn't resolve neatly and when it turns into the ending with that build up it's just perfect.

Okay top 10.

 
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Old 08-16-2014, 06:17 PM   #224
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Yeah those lines really jump out at me.

I think it's like the perfect combination of SP elements in a lot of ways

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 01:52 AM   #225
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I love real love
I remember being hooked on it after I first heard it

but again, I'd still like to hear what a clearer mix of the song sounds like..

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Old 08-17-2014, 07:45 AM   #226
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The wall of sound is perfect on there.

The 'mother's first kiss' lyric creeps me out every time though

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 07:57 AM   #227
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I love real love
I remember being hooked on it after I first heard it

but again, I'd still like to hear what a clearer mix of the song song..
I have never heard of this song song, do you have a link please?

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:01 AM   #228
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search on youtube or get a torrent of Machina II

it's even on archive.org i think

the wall of sound might be kind a turn off at first (was for me), but after a bit it's awesome.

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Old 08-17-2014, 09:21 AM   #229
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the repetition of the lyric 'real love' works really well in this song.
I always thought it was a stab that billy framed jame's 'go' with real love and LMGTWTY. kind of a ribbing of "i know you wrote a love song, and we'll put it on the album, but we'll put it next to two of the best love songs i've ever written"


listen to some MII here
http://www.archive.org/details/machina.II.ver.Virgin
http://www.archive.org/details/machina.II.ver.Q101
http://www.archive.org/details/machina.II.ver.SPIFC
http://www.archive.org/details/machina.II.ver.Agnew
http://www.archive.org/details/machina.II.ver.13


shit do I love that album. best SP album ever.
please don't ruin it with the reissue.

how come billy hasn't tried to release a single off these re-issues? a "here's a song from 15 years ago, available for the first time" and give it a chance to chart? oh yeah, billy doesn't chart anymore?

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:28 AM   #230
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Can't be living in the pass

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:28 AM   #231
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Absolutely groundbreaking

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:33 AM   #232
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What rip is considered the best? Sounds like a tie between Virgin and Q101.

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:34 AM   #233
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If he can fix the mix on Real Love and White Spider, that'd be great.

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:38 AM   #234
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I have never heard of this song song, do you have a link please?
nah, I must've started typing something and then deleted it and fucked up the whole sentence

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:43 AM   #235
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What rip is considered the best? Sounds like a tie between Virgin and Q101.
I like the agnew rip the best. a little dirty, and the rip was done with a table that's a little faster (~3%), which give the song a faster pace and a higher pitch. That extra boost in frequency makes the songs that much more aggressive in the top end and billy's voice is that extra nasal because of it too. that much more in your face! (which I think was intended by the mix style to start off with)

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 11:52 AM   #236
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Old 08-17-2014, 11:53 AM   #237
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I like the agnew rip the best. a little dirty, and the rip was done with a table that's a little faster (~3%), which give the song a faster pace and a higher pitch. That extra boost in frequency makes the songs that much more aggressive in the top end and billy's voice is that extra nasal because of it too. that much more in your face! (which I think was intended by the mix style to start off with)
I like that one too, for some reasons songs like real love sound a bit clearer when listened from that source

 
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:24 PM   #238
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I can't wait for the Machina reissue.

 
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