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Old 07-01-2014, 01:48 AM   #151
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StArSeEd> that's Q101's alright.
StArSeEd> WXRT's is 20
ninjaprsn> StArSeEd: where did you get the numbers from?
StArSeEd> dahl's is 23, agnew's is 24, asselin's is 25
StArSeEd> shanahan's is 8
StArSeEd> corgan sr's is 7
StArSeEd> matuzak's is 6
StArSeEd> flood's is 5

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 01:49 AM   #152
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Old 07-01-2014, 02:06 AM   #153
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pretty sure its not quinto. "other materials" that were released likely refers to stuff like the FAEOMM tape and Machina acoustic demos...
maybe he means stuff like mashed potatoes and avalon.

btw, let's not forget how monty made a hideout leak thread. is bc aware of that?

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 02:50 AM   #154
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the leaked hideout stuff wasn't stolen from BC, and he isn't the person keeping it off LMA either (hint)

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 02:53 AM   #155
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if this is indeed pmack's copy, do you think he's pissed off that someone sent the details to bc? wouldn't one assume he'd only sell this on the condition that the new owner doesn't go around showing it off, in an attempt to avoid getting any shit about selling it?
or has he moved on so far from sp that he couldn't care less at this point? that wouldn't actually surprise me.

do you think bc already knew this copy had been sold (who knows how long ago), or did he only find out recently, when the details of this copy were sent to that memorabilia thing?

how many times would this have been sold? only once? or would there have been a whole string of owners by now? this could also explain why the current owner came forward: there's no direct connection to the receiver anymore.

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 07:47 AM   #156
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maybe the same source of the 2007 leaks.... QAOS & Adore demos II

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 07:49 AM   #157
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maybe the same source of the 2007 leaks.... QAOS & Adore demos II
Did anyone ever find out the story behind these?

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 07:51 AM   #158
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what makes you think so, t&t? do you believe bc gave those to someone?

wasn't qaos (and maybe adore demos II too) stolen from library of congress? or is that not what actually happened?

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:14 AM   #159
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the story i heard, which may or may not be BS, is that a major old school trader leaked it

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:23 AM   #160
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I'm about 90% sure QAOS was simply swapped out of the LoC, I'm pretty sure I even know who did it but will never say anything more about that.

As far as the Pmac stuff. At one point I think it was at the time of that fake Towers Of Rabble leak there was tons of information posted about this period and what was going on with Billy and the uber leet. I've tried searching for these threads on here numerous times and they are gone.

This all went down way before the QAOS leek and I'm pretty sure MP has nothing to do with any of this. This also all went down way before Avalon was placed on my hard drive to put up on the Traders Den.

Whatever Corgy is going off about happened long before Zwan and Quinto. I'm pretty sure this is what opened the door for Quinto.

I think at one point I knew what happened but it's all so foggy and lost in the past.

There was tons of shit going, and I'm pretty sure Billy was intentionally fucking with people and playing games. I always had the feeling stuff like Avalon was both a test and him just having fun fucking around with the traders and causing rifts and tension. Somewhere Billy talked about this period and how he was purposely screwing around to see how he could distribute things. This all culminated with Mii.

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:57 AM   #161
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I'm about 90% sure QAOS was simply swapped out of the LoC, I'm pretty sure I even know who did it but will never say anything more about that.
This is true... I was in touch with someone who was planning it.

(Edit: or had already done it, and was just figuring out how to leak it anonymously.)

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:13 AM   #162
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:15 AM   #163
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Not being sarcastic, but why would they reissue Machina? Isn't it still readily available on Amazon? Is this a remix to make it not suck?

(First post! Hello all!)

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 02:17 PM   #164
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it was supposed to be a double album originally, he wants to resequence it as such

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 05:18 PM   #165
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StArSeEd> that's Q101's alright.
StArSeEd> WXRT's is 20
ninjaprsn> StArSeEd: where did you get the numbers from?
StArSeEd> dahl's is 23, agnew's is 24, asselin's is 25
StArSeEd> shanahan's is 8
StArSeEd> corgan sr's is 7
StArSeEd> matuzak's is 6
StArSeEd> flood's is 5
For note. I have the following information on the 25 copies:

1 SP
2 SP
3 SP
4 SP
5 Flood
6 Melissa Matuzak
7 Corgan Snr.
8 Joe Shanahan
9 ?
10 ?
11 Gregory Sylvester
12 ?
13 ?
14 ?
15 ?
16 ?
17 ?
18 ?
19 WXQX Q101 / Ebay
20 WXRT
21 ?
22 ?
23 Karl Daher
24 Eric Agnew
25 Dave Asselin

Other info:
Gooch
Tigershorty / sp.com Webmaster
3 copies weren't given out

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 06:20 PM   #166
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For note. I have the following information on the 25 copies:

1 SP
2 SP
3 SP
4 SP
5 Flood
6 Melissa Matuzak
7 Corgan Snr.
8 Joe Shanahan
9 ?
10 ?
11 Gregory Sylvester
12 ?
13 ?
14 ?
15 ?
16 ?
17 ?
18 ?
19 WXQX Q101 / Ebay
20 WXRT
21 ?
22 ?
23 Karl Daher
24 Eric Agnew
25 Dave Asselin

Other info:
Gooch
Tigershorty / sp.com Webmaster
3 copies weren't given out
We need to add Robert Smith to that list now.

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 06:35 PM   #167
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Fucking tigershorty, what a bitch.

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:05 AM   #168
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Doesn't Leno have a copy? Remember he called it the, "biggest CD" he'd ever seen?

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:08 AM   #169
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no, he didn't own it. they just handed him a copy (or an empty sleeve, even) to show on telly, but he didn't get to keep it.

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:19 AM   #170
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Comedy doesn't pay.

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 01:35 PM   #171
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He should have sent one to Bowie since he lifted the entire "concept" from him.

 
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:50 AM   #172
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This is perhaps one of the most prized collector items in all of Pumpkin land. The seller claims to be shipping from Villa Park, Illinois. And we did happen to notice a Metro sheet of paper which has got us wondering if this is in fact the copy the Metro had been given. We will keep you up to date as we find out more.

 
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Old 07-03-2014, 07:04 AM   #173
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Perhaps this is the most dynamic thing we have seen the Pumpkins do since Jimmy would come out and play guitar on 1979 or in the small clip during Mayonnaise in Vieuphoria where we see Billy playing drums and later he would play the timpani in 2008.

 
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Old 07-03-2014, 08:39 AM   #174
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We have heard from sources, that the item is from Q101. But the seller openly reports that there is no number on it, going on to say “The only things numbered are what I took photos of which are the album sequence. Thanks for your interest.”
If this is the one that Billy just posted about, then maybe he got the original owner wrong.

 
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Old 07-03-2014, 08:50 AM   #175
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this is not the copy billy just posted about. this is the copy that appeared on ebay a couple of years ago.

 
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Old 07-06-2014, 01:30 PM   #176
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Do we know which fan he is talking about?
Based on the reference to the initial Machina II distribution, that appears to be Eric Agnew, who made copies available through the SPIFC. Not the best quality, and the speed was a little off, but Eric was able to get the material out to the fans in time for the fall 2000 European tour, as he was instructed to do by Billy himself. Eric appears to have fallen out of favor, probably due to the leak of Mashed Potatoes or the Avalon show or something.

As far as the hint of "other materials" to come, my first thought was the "final" Metro show DVD, of course. But it could also be Zwan or Chicago songs.

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Old 07-25-2014, 11:53 AM   #177
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Which maybe turns me to talk of the next, and last in the series from the Virgin years: MACHINA, with the deeper work beginning next week to cull together all the many parts. For that I’ve already tabbed Howard Willing to do the mixing, with me beside him, to try to bring out the dark, metallic, and muscular album #1 that lays buried beneath all the hazy insanity, and bring #2 into line. Expect a very, very different and illuminating work.

 
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Old 07-25-2014, 02:28 PM   #178
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So they're remixing it, not just remastering?

Wow.

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That's not what I want. I want it to sound like the Raindrops demo or like the Arising tour. dammit.

 
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those things describe each other you're nuts

 
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I'm excited about the remixing and hope they don't brickwall the shit out of it. The main albums for the reissues have been mastered very well so it gives me hope they will do these right. I think remixing was the way to go with these albums to give them more of a cohesive sound.

I'm hoping for separate single CD releases of Machina I, Machina II (no EPs/bsides), and a super deluxe version with both Machina 1 and 2, demos, alt. versions, bsides, remixes, live, etc.

 
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