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Old 04-08-2008, 05:30 PM   #1
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This is one of my favorite shows. Very energetic, hilarious banter, Pissant.
http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1993-10-05.ss.flac16

THE SMASHING PUMPKINS
1993-10-05
First Avenue
Minneapolis, MN, USA

Source: Sonic Studios mics > DAT
Transfer: DAT-? > Tascam DA-20 MK II > Terratec EWX 24/96 > FLAC V1.2.1
Editing: Fades in Audiofile Engineering Wave Editor V1.3.3
Resampling: 32.0 kHz > 44.1 kHz resampling using iZotope 64-bit SRC

Disc 1:
01 (Intro)
02 Rocket
03 Quiet
04 Today
05 Disarm
06 > I Am One
07 Spaceboy
08 Geek U.S.A.
09 Hummer
10 Soma
11 Siva
12 Cherub Rock
13 (Encore Break #1)
14 [Fade Out]

Disc 2:
01 [Fade In]
02 Starla
03 Pissant
04 (Encore Break #2)
05 (Improv)
06 Silverfuck > When You Wish Upon a Star [Washington/Harline] (tease) > Over the Rainbow [Harburg/Arlen] (tease)
07 > Sweet Sweet

Notes:
To seamlessly join the two discs, simply remove D1T14 and D2T01.

 
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Old 04-08-2008, 05:37 PM   #2
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thanks! I love this version of Pissant

 
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Old 04-08-2008, 05:38 PM   #3
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Good work sir!

 
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Old 04-08-2008, 10:16 PM   #4
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Thanks, Sebastian! I really like this show too and it will be nice to have a copy with known transfer lineage.
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Old 04-08-2008, 11:12 PM   #5
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thanks

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:05 AM   #6
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Totally aw-sum, possum.

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:47 AM   #7
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Great, thank you!

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 10:54 AM   #8
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Wow, I forgot just how good this show was.

"Mr. Motherfucking Jimmy Chamberlin on the Motherfucking Ass Motherfucking drums!"

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:40 PM   #9
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This is the copy I have of the show so am I assuming the lineage is going to be similar to this one? Is this the same source for the show as I see yours has an intro on it whereas the copy I have doesn't

The Smashing Pumpkins
First Avenue
Minneapolis, MN, US
1993-10-05
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Disc 1:
01) Rocket
02) Quiet
03) Today
04) Disarm
05) I Am One (with rant)
06) Spaceboy
07) Geek U.S.A.
08) Hummer
09) Soma
10) Siva
11) Cherub Rock
12) Starla

Disc 2:
01) Pissant
(unknown instrumental)
02) Silverfuck
> When You Wish Upon a Star [Washington/Harline] (tease)
> Over the Rainbow [Harburg/Arlen] (tease)
03) Sweet Sweet
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Source: AUD > DAT [SSmic>??] > DDC(?) > CDR > EAC > WAV > FLAC (complete)
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Notes: Previously circulating copy was incomplete
from a boot CD ('Feeling Like A Smashed
Pumpkin') where as this particular version
(Which is most likely from the same source)
is complete. Also, this show was played
exactly 5 years after the first Metro show.
This is the complete 90m version instead of
the circulating incomplete 70m version.
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A very large thank you goes out to Ziggy [http://castastone.org]
for letting this show out.
(Distributed June 2005 by quandar)

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:57 PM   #10
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Wow, tons of silly samples inbetween songs in this show. Did they do this a lot in SD era? I'm sure I haven't heard any other boots with this on so much from 93/94.

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 02:02 PM   #11
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this show was hard to find?

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 02:37 PM   #12
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This is the copy I have of the show so am I assuming the lineage is going to be similar to this one?
My copy doesn't have a CDR in the lineage, so I consider it an upgrade. The "intro" is just some crazy sample played over the PA.

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this show was hard to find?
I really don't know. I've had this for years...

I just recently browsed through the tour history at SPFC and remembered that show, so I just transferred it. But then again I am not really the person in the know about which recordings have "surfaced" and which recordings haven't...

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:08 PM   #13
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WHAT KINDA BOX YOU TALKIN ABOUT, MAN?

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:33 PM   #14
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use the downthemall add-on for firefox. if you only want the flac files (or only mp3, or only the flac + txt + md5 files, whatever), you can use filters for an easy selection of files it should download.

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:53 PM   #15
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this show was hard to find?
it was pretty annoying to track down a complete copy.

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:07 PM   #16
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For the DownThemAll filter, this should work /\.(?:flac|md5|ffp|txt)$/i.

Without knowing the exact history behind this recording, I would say this is a definite upgrade for the following reasons:

1) No CDR Lineage.
2) resampling using iZotope 64-bit SRC
3) Non-destructive Fades
4) Sebastian knows his shit

Spaldz... does your source also have an included EAC log file? If not, saying something was ripped "Securely in EAC" doesn't mean much. The txt file you've pasted doesn't even list the orignal DAT material being at 32 kHz, the program used for resampling, how it was tracked and if SBE's are an issue, or even the version of FLAC used for encoding.

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Old 04-09-2008, 06:09 PM   #17
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For the DownThemAll filter, this should work /\.(?:flac|md5|ffp|txt)$/i.

Without knowing the exact history behind this recording, I would say this is a definite upgrade for the following reasons:

1) No CDR Lineage.
2) resampling using iZotope 64-bit SRC
3) Non-destructive Fades
4) Sebastian knows his shit

Spaldz... does your source also have an included EAC log file? If not, saying something was ripped "Securely in EAC" doesn't mean much. The txt file you've pasted doesn't even list the orignal DAT material being at 32 kHz, the program used for resampling, how it was tracked and if SBE's are an issue, or even the version of FLAC used for encoding.

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it was acquired in a cdr trade from ziggy. I would assume SBEs are therefore not an issue.

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:24 PM   #18
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it was acquired in a cdr trade from ziggy. I would assume SBEs are therefore not an issue.
Documentation apparently is though!

 
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:59 PM   #19
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...or even the version of FLAC used for encoding.

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why does the version of FLAC matter? Are there versions of FLAC known to introduce errors?

 
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Old 04-10-2008, 01:31 AM   #20
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For the DownThemAll filter, this should work /\.(?:flac|md5|ffp|txt)$/i.

Without knowing the exact history behind this recording, I would say this is a definite upgrade for the following reasons:

1) No CDR Lineage.
2) resampling using iZotope 64-bit SRC
3) Non-destructive Fades
4) Sebastian knows his shit

Spaldz... does your source also have an included EAC log file? If not, saying something was ripped "Securely in EAC" doesn't mean much. The txt file you've pasted doesn't even list the orignal DAT material being at 32 kHz, the program used for resampling, how it was tracked and if SBE's are an issue, or even the version of FLAC used for encoding.

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d00d, do you remember the late 90s, when CDR trading was new and fucking expensive - $300+ for a drive and $2-3 a CDR?

I do. No one knew what EAC was back then outside of jam band traders - found out about it via DAT-Heads of course. Finding someone that knew about and used EAC back then was a godsend. Nowadays, it's common place.

 
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Old 04-10-2008, 02:21 AM   #21
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While I'll grant you that FLAC version info is on the 'nice to know side,' it's still good practice to document the version and build of any program you're using to process critical data. Here's a few more reasons...

While all versions of FLAC are lossless, the codec has been gradually improved over the years. Compression ratios are better and the overall process, both for compression and decompression upon playback, is faster!

Several security vulnerabilities have been identified that would allow the execution of malicious code contained within FLAC files. Fixes were implemented for these vulnerabilities in v1.2.1. I've been going through all of the 2007 shows uploaded on LMA and there is one recording in particular with six ratings and an average of two stars. The first comment reads:

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Oh goddamnit!! There's a fucking virus in this recording. Is this a fucking joke?

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!
If you're an LMA uploader and you ever work with 24-bit audio files, you damn well better know the version of FLAC you're using. The LMA is not engineered to decode 24-bit audio encoded by v1.2.x, nor will it for an undetermined time. It's a bummer as v.1.2.x show incredible improvements for the compression ratios of 24-bit files. If you're not paying attention and you upload 24-bit audio encoded with the wrong version, you're gonna yourself a major headache when the md5 failure hits and your recording is locked until an administrator approves the corrections.

Third party compatibility can always be an issue; in the case of the LMA, they just can't afford the coding changes required to adopt FLAC v1.2.x anytime soon.

As Andrew mentions, our protocols and standards have changed over time. In the past, you laid out any expectations of quality (typically type II, yudens, and 4x max!!!) and dealt with the material you were given. Andrew probably has the best collection of recordings with known sources, if not the best collection outright! He's always been highly selective of the material he trades for and is incredibly faithful to proper documentation and care of his enviable collection.

I'd like to again emphasize that Sebastian's release, based on paper, simply has to be an improvement. Check out the graphs for Izotope's 64-bit SRC, they're pristine! Even if the DAT > CDR > EAC process was performed perfectly, I have to doubt the SRC used even comes close to the accuracy of Izotope. There are undoubtedly hundreds of shows on CDR that could, in the ears of an audiophile, be improved upon simply by retransferring a 32 or 48 kHz DAT and using modern day, high quality SRC algorithms.
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Old 04-10-2008, 02:23 AM   #22
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Finding someone that knew about and used EAC back then was a godsend.
And that is why DAT is and always will be the shit!

 
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Old 04-10-2008, 11:25 AM   #23
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And that is why DAT is and always will be the shit!
Yes, diginoise is so awesome.

 
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d00d, do you remember the late 90s, when CDR trading was new and fucking expensive - $300+ for a drive and $2-3 a CDR?

I do. No one knew what EAC was back then outside of jam band traders - found out about it via DAT-Heads of course. Finding someone that knew about and used EAC back then was a godsend.
Man, so true. I was getting invloved in Pink Floyd trading and I have memories of trying to figure out EAC for the first time, figuring out drive offsets and everything associated with that. My first drive purchase was a Plextor 10x12x32A burner for $225 or something like that. There seemed to to be daily posts on how to better the extraction and burning process. There were still buffer issues with burning- if you didn't shut down everything but the burning program you were in danger of getting digital skips. Even DAO burning was a big topic back then.

This was all less than 10 years ago. Amazing.

 
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Very nice, thanks for sharing.

I think I probably know who taped this but at least 3-4 (that I know of) 90's era Minneapolis tapers had Sonic Studios.

 
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For the DownThemAll filter, this should work /\.(?:flac|md5|ffp|txt)$/i.
Thanks for the filter! I had been selecting everything by hand up until now.

 
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Oh goddamnit!! There's a fucking virus in this recording. Is this a fucking joke?

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!
that would be foxtrot and his crusade to try and destroy my reputation
(not that i really have much of one)

 
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