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Old 06-08-2016, 09:29 AM   #1
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Question MCIS Demos I

Where did this first batch of demos come from? Was this another one of BC's tapes? If so, do we know what the tape looks like?
According to spfc.org, these demos first appeared in 1996.
  1. Lily (My One and Only)
  2. To Forgive
  3. Bullet with Butterfly Wings
  4. Here Is No Why
  5. Galapogos
  6. Frantic Ab Groove
  7. Autumn Nocturne
  8. Blank
  9. Rotten Apples
  10. Ugly
  11. Wishing You Were Real
  12. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
  13. Meladori Magpie
  14. Thirty-three
  15. Beautiful (Ropey Lopey - instrumental)
  16. Marquis in Spades

Are all circulating sources coming from that bootleg cd "Billy's Home Demos" (Plum Classics), or are there other sources available, maybe straight off the original tape? Or is the bootleg cd is the only known source?
"Billy's Home Demos" and "MCIS Demos I" have identical tracklists.

I've found an old set of shn files, and even though a tape is mentioned, these are very likely to also have come from the bootleg cd, but with a bit of a detour.
This is what the text file says:
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Sorry but I do not have the full lineage for this copy of the demos.
I presume they are sourced from the original tape to CD. My copy came from a trade years ago and I was not good about collecting source info back then. (This is likely a copy of the bootleg CD "Billy's Home Demos".)
I ripped my disc using EAC with proper offset correction to preserve whatever quality remains. The tracks are named according to the CDDB service that EAC uses as I was too lazy to rename the tracks properly.
scotty_mcd@hotmail.com
Does anyone own an original "Billy's Home Demos" cd? Any chance we could get a decent EAC rip of this cd (100% log)?
I can find a couple of rips online, but they all have issues and/or have some tracks missing.
Unless a source closer to the hypothetical tape exists, a decent rip straight off the bootleg cd seems to be the best source we can get at this point.

On a sidenote, there's a second bootleg cd, "Mellon Collie Demos" (Moonraker), that contains only 12 of the "MCIS Demos I" tracks, plus an interview.
Do you think this bootleg cd shares its source with "Billy's Home Demos"? Or is one of the two bootlegs considerably better, qualitywise?

MCIS Demos I: http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/b...ml?boot_id=162
Billy's Home Demos (Plum Classics): http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/boot.html?boot_id=12
Mellon Collie Demos (Moonraker): http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/boot.html?boot_id=63

 
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Old 06-08-2016, 01:09 PM   #2
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Who cares?

 
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Old 06-08-2016, 02:23 PM   #3
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brilliant

 
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:41 PM   #4
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it genuinely brings a tear of sadness to my eye

 
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:52 PM   #5
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hey bram I did some poking around on the old AMSP and apparently the "home demos bootleg CD" had 13 tracks whereas an "original tape" had more.

there are some posts around april of 96 where agnew doesn't know the names of many of the songs and was trying to transcribe lyrics. he also mentions things like "the 2nd unknown song from side 2 of the demos tape"

so i would guess that "billy's home demos cd bootleg" was not the original source, but perhaps evolved into the "best source"

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Old 06-08-2016, 08:59 PM   #6
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saw this list posted in another thread for a tracklisting of the original tape on 1996-04-12. not sure who posted but simon coyle's info was within the quoted info:

> >MC&IS Demos boot. Does anyone have a track listing?
>
> The current track listing is:
>
> Marquis in Spades
> Stumbleine
> Unknown (may be called Gone)
> Lily (acoustic)
> To Forgive (acoustic)
> Bullet with Butterfly Wings (acoustic)
> Here is No Why (acoustic)
> Galapogos (acoustic)
> Unknown (instrumental)
> Pennies
> Blank
> Rotten Apples
> Ugly (demo version)
> Wishing You Were
> Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (demo version)
> Meladori Magpie
> Thirty-Three (demo version)
> Beautiful (instrumental)

 
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:01 PM   #7
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another by agnew on 1996-04-05:

Khadejah J. Dein wrote:
>I can't seem to find a listing for the songs available on the
>MC&IS Demos boot. Does anyone have a track listing?
Kinda. Not completely, though.

>Note* I DID check the discography and boot discog. as well and
> couldn't find a listing. Is it called something else?
It's not in the discog, since that only deals w/ studio releases, and
it's not in the bootlist, since that only deals w/ "official" (i.e.
available-on-CD) boots...

What we have for a list so far is:

? / stumbleine / ? / lily (my one and only) / to forgive / bwbw / here
is no why / galapogos // ? / pennies / blank / rotten apples / ugly /
? / mcis / meladori magpie / thirty-three / beautiful

These are all pretty definite. Guesses have been made for some of the
unknowns, but I'm sure we'll find out when the next few singles make it
out...

All the songs from MCIS are Billy solo w/ guitar (or piano, for MCIS),
except beautiful, which is a short clip from the end, instrumental, and
thirty-three, which has a few tracks, including the shaking pill bottle,
which sticks out much more than it does on MCIS...

 
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:02 PM   #8
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hope this helps

 
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Old 06-08-2016, 10:51 PM   #9
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I have the Moonraker demo bootleg somewhere. Interesting that Pennies is listed on Agnew's track list. Does this mean there is a demo of Pennies floating around, or is it the same version from TAFH?

 
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:05 PM   #10
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I read some things mentioning the zero single (which also came out in april) so I would assume its the same. don't forget these singles came out individually and prior to TAFH

 
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thank you for your pity!

 
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:46 AM   #12
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I upped Billy's Home Demos (Plum Classics). EAC log and art/disc scans included. I'd have to double check to see if the tracks are 100% but I'm currently at work so won't be able to until tonight or on Sunday.

Edit: I also upped The Mellon Collie Demos (Moonraker: 123). Same thing on scans and EAC log being included. CAIC, have you checked these logs?

There's also Mellon Collie Demo's (IIE: pscs87) that doesn't appear to be on spfc.org but is likely a collection of tracks from Billy's Home Demos and The Mellon Collie Demos.

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Old 06-09-2016, 09:54 AM   #13
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hey, thanks!
where are they "upped"?

 
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They are on satur9.

 
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Old 06-09-2016, 10:04 AM   #15
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Found some info on Mellon Collie Demo's (IIE: pscs87).

https://www.discogs.com/Smashing-Pum...elease/5639206

It appears to have the same 18 tracks as Billy's Home Demos.

https://www.discogs.com/Smashing-Pum...elease/5227345

Edit: Looks like two different "labels" releasing the same bootleg 3 years apart.

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Old 06-09-2016, 10:17 AM   #16
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This is also interesting.

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They are on satur9.
seems to be down...

 
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seems to be down...
I can upload them to WeTransfer and send you links tonight. PM me your email address.

 
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Much respect Dade.

 
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Logs looking good. Same score for both.

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i guess "the mellon collie demos" (the one with the different tracklist) will be the same. but i haven't downloaded that one yet.

 
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