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Old 05-22-2008, 12:05 AM   #1
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Default You'll always be my WHORE

of everything that is SP
this is the one thing that i don't get
Billy's use of the word "WHORE" in ava adore.

yes it rhymes
but that's not good enough of a reason.
it might be a regional linguistic thing.. i dunno
someone explain it to me

on a great album like adore
how and why does billy want to use the word whore?
as the sister word of 'adore' is the polar opposite his intention?
a parallel?
he's too billy to be literal

as a "billy can never do wrong"
how do you justify to yourself the intent of this word?
it's too simple, obvious and weighted pass as an SP lyric
yet i can't figure it out for the life of me a billy depth to it.
help me netphoria
i will read your 8000 word essays on adore.
please spill your guts, be drunk, be high, color the sepia

Tits & Teeth

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:09 AM   #2
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really, i'll never get it, either. i would rather have had a whole different set of lyrics and better album title. oh well.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:16 AM   #3
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why are you so weird

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:21 AM   #4
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how do you justify to yourself the intent of this word?
it's too simple, obvious and weighted pass as an SP lyric
yet i can't figure it out for the life of me a billy depth to it.
help me netphoria
i will read your 8000 word essays on adore.
please spill your guts, be drunk, be high, color the sepia

Tits & Teeth
d00d even b0llz needs the odd slut to glaze with his seed.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:31 AM   #5
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how does it not make sense?

its you that I adore
you will always be my whore
you'll be a lover in my bed
and a gun to my head
we must never be apart

obviously he loves and hates the person at the same time WHY IS THAT SO DIFFICULT

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:35 AM   #6
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obviously he loves and hates the person at the same time
whore = hate?



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why are you so weird
don't push me away
pull me in & hold me tcm.
especially in this moment of doubt.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:38 AM   #7
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CRAZY, STURDY: A TORPEDO

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 02:07 AM   #8
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to me adore is a strong emotion, love mixed with lust...a selfishness for someone that you don't want to share with anyone else. Calling her his whore may be his way of insulting her for keeping him captive, physical and mentally? in you I taste dirty...in you I taste god...I don't think this is a healthy relationship, drinking mercury just makes it worse.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 02:12 AM   #9
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It has always seemed pretty obvious to me. Ava Adore is so great because of the different things going on in it. On one level its this mean, almost degrading song and on another level its actually very devotional and sweet. This is also paralleled in the harsh electronic thumping verse vs. the Beatlesque chorus.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:21 AM   #10
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Whore doesn't necessarily mean trollop any more you know. Media whore, attention whore (See: Strawberry,) so I wouldn't take it too literally. Much like everything else Bill says, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:22 AM   #11
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whores are whores. when he says whore he means a whore. try listening to annie-dog and making the thematic connexion.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:29 AM   #12
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yeah, the magnet head...

but that's annie dog,
not the lead single
sister word to the album title.
that's big weight.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:35 AM   #13
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so what, man. SO WHAT. JESUS CHRIST, WHAT THE HELL!!!

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:39 AM   #14
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explain to me your concepts of 'weight', T&T.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:01 PM   #15
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as the sister word of 'adore' is the polar opposite his intention?
a parallel?
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sister word to the album title.
that's big weight.
I guarantee billy didn't write whore with this in mind.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:15 PM   #16
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how much does a horse weigh?

or a car

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:17 PM   #17
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this is the "lets give billy omnipotent credit" thread
work with me folks.

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:23 PM   #18
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not every word in the lyrics has to be approved by someone who got a 1600 (or 2400 these days) on the SATs. See Bardy's simple explanation

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:28 PM   #19
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this is the "lets give billy omnipotent credit" thread
work with me folks.
you're the only one i see questioning it.

what's your hangup?

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:36 PM   #20
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i just wish it was as great as a lyric as

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Slit my wrists and die a whore
Love to love to love what you adore

 
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:43 PM   #21
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you are very uncooperative.

 
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Old 05-23-2008, 12:19 AM   #22
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I think it's because the character he is singing about is someone he doesn't like or respect at some level despite loving them.

OR it is just for shock value and rhymes nicely with 'adore'.

Here are the alternative lines he rejected during the sessions (I was in the studio with them):

It's you that I adore
I want to fuck you on the floor
...
It's you that I adore
But your grades in school were poor
...
It's you that I adore
I want to bang you 'till you're raw
...
It's you that I adore
Who's knocking at the door
...
It's you that I adore
Drugs are against the law
...
It's you that I adore
I couldn't adore you more

regards

 
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:10 AM   #23
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billy wants a good girl he adores who can also be a whore in the bedroom

 
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Old 05-23-2008, 05:56 AM   #24
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Here are the alternative lines he rejected during the sessions (I was in the studio with them):

It's you that I adore
I want to fuck you on the floor
...
It's you that I adore
But your grades in school were poor
...
It's you that I adore
I want to bang you 'till you're raw
...
It's you that I adore
Who's knocking at the door
...
It's you that I adore
Drugs are against the law
...
It's you that I adore
I couldn't adore you more

regards

 
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:42 AM   #25
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It's you that I adore...
You will always be my hor(se.)

He's partial to more than just cats.

Machina Mystery solved.

 
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