How does Billy compare to Josh Homme as a guitarist?

Catherine Wheel · 11-11-2011, 12:06 PM

Who is more proficient? Who is more creative with guitar? To me Josh is the only person from that generation that can really come close to Billy in talent as a guitarist. He always impresses me.

supermaid · 11-11-2011, 02:23 PM

billy

supermaid · 11-11-2011, 02:23 PM

just joshing, it's josh

supermaid · 11-11-2011, 02:24 PM

buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo

josh joshing josh joshers joshed joshes josh

billy billied blerbleblerbleblerble

redbreegull · 11-11-2011, 02:35 PM

Catherine Wheel, you are insane dude. You make the most random comparisons imaginable

Billy is a LOT better.

Catherine Wheel · 11-11-2011, 02:38 PM

How is it random? I mean they both play hard rock and psychedelic influenced alternative rock. They are both influenced by Zeppelin and Sabbath but they have both developed their own style. I fail to see how it's a bad comparison.

samuel redman · 11-11-2011, 02:56 PM

one thing that will always be there about billy is his ability to play and understand the guitar

definitely a guitar god type player

Catherine Wheel · 03:12 PM

http://www.customasapblog.com/the-be...ern-guitarists

Although honestly I think the description of Josh's playing sells him short

redbreegull · 11-11-2011, 03:11 PM

Yeah, Billy is one of the most underrated guitarists.

-left handed dude who taught himself to play right handed
-learned by ear, claims to have acquired his lead skills from a book
-can play in a vast array of styles and brings uniqueness to each one (not like most hard rock guitarists, whose soft songs sound like heavy songs without the energy)
-expanded guitar distortion density to a level probably not reached by any other rock band on studio recordings
-hands down developed the best use of feedback of any rock guitarist
-has an instantly recognizable style... naturally brings a feeling to the instrument which is not really possible to imitate
-despite the decline of his songwriting and ability to produce his music, his guitar skill has never ebbed. He can be playing the shittiest Teargarden song but if he sticks a solo in the middle, it will sound like sex no matter what

redbreegull · 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

http://www.customasapblog.com/the-be...ern-guitarists

Matt Bellamy are you fucking kidding me

Billy Corgan is easily far, far beyond those other four people, but Bellamy isn't even notable. I thought the list said "top 5" not "top 700"

To me, the only one that really comes close in terms of well-rounded uniqueness, inventiveness, technical skill and feeling is Johnny Greenwood. There are a lot of other notable modern guitarists (by modern I mean post-1970s and 80s hair metal which is where most people stop counting guitar heroes), but none of those guys on that list are too amazing except Frusciante. I'm thinking Kim Thayil, Mark Kozelek, Nels Cline, Kevin Shields, Thurston Moore, J. Mascis to start.

Catherine Wheel · 11-11-2011, 03:20 PM

I think QOTSA's Rated R deserves to be seen in a closer light to Siamese Dream. I'm not going to say it's as good as Siamese Dream but it definitely changed my whole perspective on rock. It's that type of album.

soniclovenoize · 11-11-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

(not like most hard rock guitarists, whose soft songs sound like heavy songs without the energy)

lol

killtrocity · 11-11-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

Matt Bellamy are you fucking kidding me

Yeah really...

People talk about his voice, not his guitar ability

houseofglass11 · 11-11-2011, 04:28 PM

Josh Homeboy and Queens of the Date Rape/Frat Age have nothing on Billy or SP.

And Frusciante, Bellamy, Brent Hinds (who?)...really? Those guys are OK, but Billy was far more of a sonic innovator and a much more talented guitarist.

Frusciante could barely play a barre chord properly back in the day when he was heroin'd up. And when he came back around he was nowhere near as good as when he first started with RHCP, he lost all his chops.

Bellamy...the heavy metal Radiohead with some Queen pillaging thrown in. boring.

houseofglass11 · 11-11-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

I think QOTSA's Rated R deserves to be seen in a closer light to Siamese Dream. I'm not going to say it's as good as Siamese Dream but it definitely changed my whole perspective on rock. It's that type of album.

Are you serious? I bought that album when it came out and my opinion on it hasn't changed. It's not that great. Tinny muddy sounding guitars and mediocre songs. I'd rather listen to Black Sabbath than some band doing a piss poor impersonation of them.

MyOneAndOnly · 11-11-2011, 04:35 PM

of all the people in the world...Josh Homme? Seriously?

Homme is OK, but billy is in a whole other league of guitar players. Jeff is a better player.

redbreegull · 11-11-2011, 04:41 PM

I like Queens of the Stone Age, but Rated R is not a Siamese Dream type album. Listen to the sonic difference between Disarm and Silverfuck. The dynamics of Rated R pale by comparison. Homme isn't a bad guitarist but is better compared to someone like Dave Grohl than Billy Corgan, who is basically a god of the instrument.

Catherine Wheel · 11-11-2011, 05:04 PM

You think he's only as good as Grohl? That's almost an insult. I never saw him as being that mediocre. Surely he's a bit more interesting than that.

redbreegull · 11-11-2011, 05:09 PM

I'm being hyperbolic, but he's just not in the same league as Corgan.

redbreegull · 11-11-2011, 05:13 PM

it's like asking who is the better drummer jimmy chamberlin or matt cameron

redbreegull · 11-11-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RockLobster

no he isn't. Jeff fucking sucks. you'd have to be a retard to think jeff could even be half as good.

Billy definitely sucks now where as Josh does not. TMV was fucking amazing live I recommend everyone to check them out when they tour again.

Really what it comes down to is preference. Billy was without a doubt a guitar god for about 5 years. 90-95

Kyuss and QOTSA are fucking badass though.

Billy does have more slower songs and has an array of many styles, not so much anymore though. Josh normally plays hard rock, but is also very unique and adventurous with his styles of music today.

Billy was rock god, but not anymore. I'd rank Josh higher than billy at this moment in time.

In the long run Billy has been a better guitarist than Josh. His soloing and creativity in the early 90's was unmatched and incredible. I think he's burnt out now and just going through the motions. Josh has more to bring to the table and is still improving and being more daring in his music.

Billy's lead guitar work isn't really any less awe-inspiring now than in 1993. Maybe you disagree, but I really think that despite the bad songs and bad production, he's just a motherfucker on the guitar. The solo on Starla from this tour floors me as much as any of his lead work in the past. If anything, he kind of lost his way in boring metal/shred lead work over the past few years but got his guitar focus back together for this tour.

Shallowed · 11-11-2011, 06:40 PM

Billy is certainly more dynamic in tone and style, but most of Josh's riffs are heavier and meaner sounding than everything Billy's done, Tales of a Scorched Earth and X.Y.U. aside.

applepwnz · 11-11-2011, 08:41 PM

I've heard of Billy, that's a major point he has in my book over that other fellow

Dogfighter28 · 11-11-2011, 09:16 PM

Billy is very tasteful and he excels at songcraft when it comes to guitar. However, he sticks mainly to standard pentatonic structures and he's not really advancing the instrument or anything. I think he gets a LITTLE too much credit from SP fans and a LITTLE not enough credit from the rest of everyone..

Grox · 11-11-2011, 10:34 PM

standard pentatonic structures? explain

Copperpot5 · 11-12-2011, 12:33 AM

Billy's Starla solo 10/5 in super-slo-mo (Twixtor/Added frames):

Order 66 · 11-12-2011, 12:40 AM

billy is arguably the best guitarist of his generation

the thing i always found unique about his playing is there's no recognizable "billy style" that you associate with like you would with jimmy page or van halen or whatever. besides maybe his usage of octave chords, he has no set staple. he utilizes every style. its all open

redbreegull · 11-12-2011, 02:42 AM

Using pentatonic heavily is not a bad thing... Most popular hard rock guitarists focus on the pentatonic. Billy is just fucking amazing.

T&T · 11-12-2011, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Copperpot5

Billy's Starla solo 10/5 in super-slo-mo (Twixtor/Added frames):

awesome clip

lest be honest — a few dud notes (unless you consider branching to random modes on quick passes acceptable), but an awesome clip!

he/she/it · 11-12-2011, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copperpot5

Billy's Starla solo 10/5 in super-slo-mo (Twixtor/Added frames):

Just for comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...XqQF0Y#t=4519s

11-11-2011, 12:06 PM	#1
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	How does Billy compare to Josh Homme as a guitarist? Who is more proficient? Who is more creative with guitar? To me Josh is the only person from that generation that can really come close to Billy in talent as a guitarist. He always impresses me.

11-11-2011, 03:03 PM	#8
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	http://www.customasapblog.com/the-be...ern-guitarists Although honestly I think the description of Josh's playing sells him short Last edited by Catherine Wheel : 11-11-2011 at 03:12 PM.

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11-11-2011, 02:35 PM	#5
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,749	Catherine Wheel, you are insane dude. You make the most random comparisons imaginable Billy is a LOT better.

11-11-2011, 02:38 PM	#6
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	How is it random? I mean they both play hard rock and psychedelic influenced alternative rock. They are both influenced by Zeppelin and Sabbath but they have both developed their own style. I fail to see how it's a bad comparison.

11-11-2011, 02:56 PM	#7
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,874	one thing that will always be there about billy is his ability to play and understand the guitar definitely a guitar god type player

11-11-2011, 03:11 PM	#9
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,749	Yeah, Billy is one of the most underrated guitarists. -left handed dude who taught himself to play right handed -learned by ear, claims to have acquired his lead skills from a book -can play in a vast array of styles and brings uniqueness to each one (not like most hard rock guitarists, whose soft songs sound like heavy songs without the energy) -expanded guitar distortion density to a level probably not reached by any other rock band on studio recordings -hands down developed the best use of feedback of any rock guitarist -has an instantly recognizable style... naturally brings a feeling to the instrument which is not really possible to imitate -despite the decline of his songwriting and ability to produce his music, his guitar skill has never ebbed. He can be playing the shittiest Teargarden song but if he sticks a solo in the middle, it will sound like sex no matter what

11-11-2011, 03:20 PM	#11
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	I think QOTSA's Rated R deserves to be seen in a closer light to Siamese Dream. I'm not going to say it's as good as Siamese Dream but it definitely changed my whole perspective on rock. It's that type of album.

11-11-2011, 04:28 PM	#14
houseofglass11 Minion of Satan Location: Gold Lace Sensor Posts: 5,677	Josh Homeboy and Queens of the Date Rape/Frat Age have nothing on Billy or SP. And Frusciante, Bellamy, Brent Hinds (who?)...really? Those guys are OK, but Billy was far more of a sonic innovator and a much more talented guitarist. Frusciante could barely play a barre chord properly back in the day when he was heroin'd up. And when he came back around he was nowhere near as good as when he first started with RHCP, he lost all his chops. Bellamy...the heavy metal Radiohead with some Queen pillaging thrown in. boring.

11-11-2011, 04:35 PM	#16
MyOneAndOnly Shut the fuck up! Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor Posts: 23,882	of all the people in the world...Josh Homme? Seriously? Homme is OK, but billy is in a whole other league of guitar players. Jeff is a better player.

11-11-2011, 04:41 PM	#17
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,749	I like Queens of the Stone Age, but Rated R is not a Siamese Dream type album. Listen to the sonic difference between Disarm and Silverfuck. The dynamics of Rated R pale by comparison. Homme isn't a bad guitarist but is better compared to someone like Dave Grohl than Billy Corgan, who is basically a god of the instrument.

11-11-2011, 05:04 PM	#18
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	You think he's only as good as Grohl? That's almost an insult. I never saw him as being that mediocre. Surely he's a bit more interesting than that.

11-11-2011, 05:09 PM	#19
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,749	I'm being hyperbolic, but he's just not in the same league as Corgan.

11-11-2011, 05:13 PM	#20
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,749	it's like asking who is the better drummer jimmy chamberlin or matt cameron

11-11-2011, 06:40 PM	#22
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 18,608	Billy is certainly more dynamic in tone and style, but most of Josh's riffs are heavier and meaner sounding than everything Billy's done, Tales of a Scorched Earth and X.Y.U. aside.

11-11-2011, 08:41 PM	#23
applepwnz Ownz Posts: 729	I've heard of Billy, that's a major point he has in my book over that other fellow

11-11-2011, 09:16 PM	#24
Dogfighter28 ILL KILL UR DOG Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,480	Billy is very tasteful and he excels at songcraft when it comes to guitar. However, he sticks mainly to standard pentatonic structures and he's not really advancing the instrument or anything. I think he gets a LITTLE too much credit from SP fans and a LITTLE not enough credit from the rest of everyone..

11-11-2011, 10:34 PM	#25
Grox Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,695	standard pentatonic structures? explain

11-12-2011, 12:33 AM	#26
Copperpot5 Demi-God Posts: 422	Billy's Starla solo 10/5 in super-slo-mo (Twixtor/Added frames):

11-12-2011, 12:40 AM	#27
Order 66 Socialphobic Posts: 11,831	billy is arguably the best guitarist of his generation the thing i always found unique about his playing is there's no recognizable "billy style" that you associate with like you would with jimmy page or van halen or whatever. besides maybe his usage of octave chords, he has no set staple. he utilizes every style. its all open

11-12-2011, 02:42 AM	#28
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,749	Using pentatonic heavily is not a bad thing... Most popular hard rock guitarists focus on the pentatonic. Billy is just fucking amazing.