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Old 06-30-2020, 12:16 PM   #31
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Old 07-01-2020, 05:54 AM   #32
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But seriously, why has Corgan abandoned insta?

Doesn’t make a lot of sense he’d suddenly tank a PR channel he controlled, to connect with sycophants, due to unrelated allegations against one of his wrestling buds.

 
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:28 AM   #33
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Corgan and the sp quit....they split...billy stopped being musician

 
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:29 AM   #34
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The bands manager Gary (my brother in law) has asked WPC to do this in preparation for a big announcement (as people have guessed).

You know, it's actually the 15th anniversary of WPC first solo album
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But seriously, why has Corgan abandoned insta?

Doesn’t make a lot of sense he’d suddenly tank a PR channel he controlled, to connect with sycophants, due to unrelated allegations against one of his wrestling buds.
How many times do I have to repeat this

There’s an announcement happening soon. This post is an announcement of an announcement if you will.

There’s “concerns” that WPC, being a bit of a loose cannon and given the current global situation, might say something on IG that would upset people, cause bad publicity and jeopardise the success of whatever is being announced soon.

 
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Old 07-01-2020, 02:35 PM   #37
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Old 07-01-2020, 02:41 PM   #38
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b'arcy made amends with d'arcy. new album will be titled, dull and lame af: yes d'arcy, no bates, too little, too late volume 17

 
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How many times do I have to repeat this

There’s an announcement happening soon. This post is an announcement of an announcement if you will.

There’s “concerns” that WPC, being a bit of a loose cannon and given the current global situation, might say something on IG that would upset people, cause bad publicity and jeopardise the success of whatever is being announced soon.
How many time can I read it until I believe it?

Corgan doesn’t seem the type to let anyone, let alone a record company suit, shut him up.

 
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Old 07-01-2020, 02:59 PM   #40
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Are you seriously doubting the word of Gary, Incubator's brother in law?

 
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Old 07-01-2020, 04:20 PM   #41
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How many time can I read it until I believe it?

Corgan doesn’t seem the type to let anyone, let alone a record company suit, shut him up.
a bearded record company suit

 
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Old 07-01-2020, 06:18 PM   #42
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Beards you say?

"There’s a level of criticism to levy at this subcultural world that occasionally claims me. This simple thing gets put out there: We’re the authority, and if you wear this T-shirt or grow this beard, we’ll accept you. It’s very similar to the schoolyard. If you don’t beat up Johnny, they won’t let you hang out." -Billy Corgan

"I once had a very contentious interview with some bearded jerko, ya know?" -Billy Corgan

"When the article makes fun of the idea I’d say that’s not reportage and certainly a wasted college education for that bearded soy man.” -Billy Corgan

"In America we have totally gross commercialism, people literally getting into porn for music videos. Porn. People rubbing their butts up against one-another. It's porn. And on the other side moustaches, beards, t-shirts, ukuleles. You can see why I go to the middle." -Billy Corgan

" In amongst all the bitterness and the acrimony of the bearded-blogger army, there are a lot of people getting pats on the head for making really substandard music and/or veiled pop." -Billy Corgan

"I called [veteran producer] Rick Rubin and asked him to recommend someone to work with. I thought maybe I needed a young, bearded producer, some cool kid who might get what I’m trying to do." -Billy Corgan

"And we’ve seen this thing happen over the last 25 years — afforded by the Internet — where that narcissistic streak has become a business model. And for every Pitchfork, there are 400 bearded bloggers that are writing the same shit, if not worse." -Billy Corgan

"The culture that needs to place me behind P.J. Harvey on guitar. And I love P.J. Harvey, and I have complete admiration for her, but, c’mon, me behind P.J. Harvey on guitar? I mean, c’mon, that’s a fucking asshole, in a beard, in New York, who has to put me there to make some sort of statement." -Billy Corgan

"I’m sure the troll who lives under the beard bridge will have a field day with that for his website (Alternative Nation). You know, the one he jerks off to…"Corgan blasts Manson with insensitive tour joke."” -Billy Corgan

" I’m not under anybody’s thumb anymore, no-one can attempt to control me- not that they ever did, but you were fighting against things; you were fighting against MTV, you were fighting against the record label. Who are the great foes now, Pitchfork? You know?A bunch of sarcy indie guys with beards writing about guys with beards in basements." -Billy Corgan

"I'm sorry, every system up until the last 10, 12 years... it kicked its own door in. They didn't need it lubricated first. The Clash kicked the f****** door in. Nirvana kicked their own door in. The Cure kicked their own door in. Whatever, pick your f****** movement. Kick in your own f****** door. You don't need a guy with a beard to put you over. Do it yourself." -Billy Corgan

"So I really want to take a proactive stance with the Warner Bros./Reprise people. They’ve been cool. I wouldn’t want to paint a negative picture. But … I think they’re scratching their beards over there. What do you do with a 38-year-old alternative rock icon that made an album that doesn’t sound like what he’s known for, goes on tour, doesn’t play his old songs or keep his mouth shut and looks kind of crazy?" -Billy Corgan

"No. Without sounding overly prophetic, I just don't think the way we think of rock and roll is going to be around in ten years. I think pop is just going to obliterate everything. And I'm sorry, and a thousand men can throw their beards in the air, but most of what passes for "Alternative" music these days is pop." -Billy Corgan

" (on John Lennon) Watching his changes, even in hindsight, is remarkable. He went through something of a public disintegration, starting in 1965 with Help! and then going up till the end of the '60s when he was this bearded guy singing Yer Blues, talking about how lonely he was and that he wanted to die - which he later admitted was because he was on heroin." -Billy Corgan

"You can say in a crowded room that 'Oh, I love Radiohead,' and everyone goes, 'Oh yeah, me too.' But if you say 'I love Iron Maiden,' people go 'What?'" he insisted. "Why are those fans ignored? It's the same high school game ... it's still the same s---. It's still some guy in a corner with a beard telling me I'm not cool enough, yet I pioneered the very form of music that he's still talking about 20 f---ing years later." -Billy Corgan

 
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Old 07-01-2020, 06:25 PM   #43
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How many times do I have to repeat this

There’s an announcement happening soon. This post is an announcement of an announcement if you will.

There’s “concerns” that WPC, being a bit of a loose cannon and given the current global situation, might say something on IG that would upset people, cause bad publicity and jeopardise the success of whatever is being announced soon.
this probably would have been a more convincing argument if you'd made some mention of your brother in law Gary

 
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:10 PM   #44
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Gary! Yay!

 
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:27 PM   #45
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:55 PM   #46
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Im gonna kill myself cause he blocked me. Ill do it to Today by D'Arcy.

 
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Gary blocked you? Why, Gary?

WHY

 
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" (on John Lennon) Watching his changes, even in hindsight, is remarkable. He went through something of a public disintegration, starting in 1965 with Help! and then going up till the end of the '60s when he was this bearded guy singing Yer Blues, talking about how lonely he was and that he wanted to die - which he later admitted was because he was on heroin." -Billy Corgan
This sounds like that "most dynamic" Monte quote except it's about John Lennon

 
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Beards you say?

"There’s a level of criticism to levy at this subcultural world that occasionally claims me. This simple thing gets put out there: We’re the authority, and if you wear this T-shirt or grow this beard, we’ll accept you. It’s very similar to the schoolyard. If you don’t beat up Johnny, they won’t let you hang out." -Billy Corgan

"I once had a very contentious interview with some bearded jerko, ya know?" -Billy Corgan

"When the article makes fun of the idea I’d say that’s not reportage and certainly a wasted college education for that bearded soy man.” -Billy Corgan

"In America we have totally gross commercialism, people literally getting into porn for music videos. Porn. People rubbing their butts up against one-another. It's porn. And on the other side moustaches, beards, t-shirts, ukuleles. You can see why I go to the middle." -Billy Corgan

" In amongst all the bitterness and the acrimony of the bearded-blogger army, there are a lot of people getting pats on the head for making really substandard music and/or veiled pop." -Billy Corgan

"I called [veteran producer] Rick Rubin and asked him to recommend someone to work with. I thought maybe I needed a young, bearded producer, some cool kid who might get what I’m trying to do." -Billy Corgan

"And we’ve seen this thing happen over the last 25 years — afforded by the Internet — where that narcissistic streak has become a business model. And for every Pitchfork, there are 400 bearded bloggers that are writing the same shit, if not worse." -Billy Corgan

"The culture that needs to place me behind P.J. Harvey on guitar. And I love P.J. Harvey, and I have complete admiration for her, but, c’mon, me behind P.J. Harvey on guitar? I mean, c’mon, that’s a fucking asshole, in a beard, in New York, who has to put me there to make some sort of statement." -Billy Corgan

"I’m sure the troll who lives under the beard bridge will have a field day with that for his website (Alternative Nation). You know, the one he jerks off to…"Corgan blasts Manson with insensitive tour joke."” -Billy Corgan

" I’m not under anybody’s thumb anymore, no-one can attempt to control me- not that they ever did, but you were fighting against things; you were fighting against MTV, you were fighting against the record label. Who are the great foes now, Pitchfork? You know?A bunch of sarcy indie guys with beards writing about guys with beards in basements." -Billy Corgan

"I'm sorry, every system up until the last 10, 12 years... it kicked its own door in. They didn't need it lubricated first. The Clash kicked the f****** door in. Nirvana kicked their own door in. The Cure kicked their own door in. Whatever, pick your f****** movement. Kick in your own f****** door. You don't need a guy with a beard to put you over. Do it yourself." -Billy Corgan

"So I really want to take a proactive stance with the Warner Bros./Reprise people. They’ve been cool. I wouldn’t want to paint a negative picture. But … I think they’re scratching their beards over there. What do you do with a 38-year-old alternative rock icon that made an album that doesn’t sound like what he’s known for, goes on tour, doesn’t play his old songs or keep his mouth shut and looks kind of crazy?" -Billy Corgan

"No. Without sounding overly prophetic, I just don't think the way we think of rock and roll is going to be around in ten years. I think pop is just going to obliterate everything. And I'm sorry, and a thousand men can throw their beards in the air, but most of what passes for "Alternative" music these days is pop." -Billy Corgan

" (on John Lennon) Watching his changes, even in hindsight, is remarkable. He went through something of a public disintegration, starting in 1965 with Help! and then going up till the end of the '60s when he was this bearded guy singing Yer Blues, talking about how lonely he was and that he wanted to die - which he later admitted was because he was on heroin." -Billy Corgan

"You can say in a crowded room that 'Oh, I love Radiohead,' and everyone goes, 'Oh yeah, me too.' But if you say 'I love Iron Maiden,' people go 'What?'" he insisted. "Why are those fans ignored? It's the same high school game ... it's still the same s---. It's still some guy in a corner with a beard telling me I'm not cool enough, yet I pioneered the very form of music that he's still talking about 20 f---ing years later." -Billy Corgan
Not just beards either:

“ Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you!
I don't take shit from nobody
Especially not a guy in a tank top and a mustache”

“ Iha: Let's uh, we'll move on to the next song, I'm sure you'll like it. It's a song from a movie, and uh, the movie was originally shot in uh..
Corgan (interrupting Iha): It's called 'Mustached In Seattle'”

“ Corgan: Sorry I yelled at you guys with the mustaches before...”

http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1994-08-05

 
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I find it interesting he being active on IG pretty much every single day for several months and having stuff to say about COVID and the like to flat out stopping the use of it when the BLM protests started... and now the slate's been wiped clean.

 
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"No. Without sounding overly prophetic, I just don't think the way we think of rock and roll is going to be around in ten years. I think pop is just going to obliterate everything. And I'm sorry, and a thousand men can throw their beards in the air, but most of what passes for "Alternative" music these days is pop." -Billy Corgan
Google says this was from 2012. He nailed it. It didn't even take 10 years. I never thought I'd see the day when proper rock music was niche. A few months ago I checked the charts and there were entire genres where every song on the top 10 outsold/outplayed? the #1 song on the rock chart.

I live in OKC now and we have a single alternative/modern rock radio station; it's actually more pop/indiepop/electro/hiphop influenced and they pretty much refuse to play anything with cranked distortion. So we get a lot of stuff like Panic! at the Disco, AFJ, and Dominik Fike in heavy, heavy rotation until you can't stand it anymore. I find myself just happy to hear a 21 Pilots song like Jumpsuit because the guy actually screams for ten seconds. Or Might Be Right by White Reaper where it sounds like a real rock band. The nominally similar Tulsa station still plays some rock, though—everyone now and then even some old-school pumpkins.

 
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Google says this was from 2012. He nailed it. It didn't even take 10 years. I never thought I'd see the day when proper rock music was niche. A few months ago I checked the charts and there were entire genres where every song on the top 10 outsold/outplayed? the #1 song on the rock chart.

I live in OKC now and we have a single alternative/modern rock radio station; it's actually more pop/indiepop/electro/hiphop influenced and they pretty much refuse to play anything with cranked distortion. So we get a lot of stuff like Panic! at the Disco, AFJ, and Dominik Fike in heavy, heavy rotation until you can't stand it anymore. I find myself just happy to hear a 21 Pilots song like Jumpsuit because the guy actually screams for ten seconds. Or Might Be Right by White Reaper where it sounds like a real rock band. The nominally similar Tulsa station still plays some rock, though—everyone now and then even some old-school pumpkins.
It wasn’t exactly a hot take then and it isn’t now either. Hell it wasn’t a hot take in 1980

 
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Announcement of an announcement...stfu...troll

No news about shiny 2....no single...no nothing

 
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If you can’t see that WPCs Instagram being emptied is a sine then I don’t know what to tell you.

 
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I find it interesting he being active on IG pretty much every single day for several months and having stuff to say about COVID and the like to flat out stopping the use of it when the BLM protests started... and now the slate's been wiped clean.


"I need to express my support for the less fortunate, the oppressed, I need to spread positive spiritual energy and love. The world needs to hear this stuff right now, Airplane mode. Wait, what are you doing? Give me my phone. Airplane mode, why are you messing with the phone settings, why are all my instagram posts gone. Put the needle down. Ouch! What was that? Airplane mode how...? I feel sleepy. Got. To. Share. Rational. And. Logical. Argument. Must. Spread. Wealth. and. Knowled... (heavy snoring)"

- exclusive audio obtained by Unsolved Mysteries: The Disappearance of Wilma Corgan

 
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Some wise guy sent WPC a lovely message thanking him for the "Gish deep dive", stating it's one of their all time favorite records but was wondering if "Billy" could answer a question that wasn't covered in the "deep dive". WPC took offense to this and deleted everything from his IG.

 
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