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Old 06-18-2020, 08:08 PM   #1
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Default Does anyone know what the first song written for each album is?

The closest I can figure is that Blissed and Gone was the first Adore song and Bullet was probably the first MCIS song (though Dizzle seems to have been written by the time of the first Metro show in 93)

Idk why this matters.

 
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:13 PM   #2
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i think i remember b0llzebub saying 33 was the first for mcis.

 
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:22 PM   #3
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i think i remember b0llzebub saying 33 was the first for mcis.
slight distinction; it was the first song he wrote after the SD tour


"'Thirty-Three' was the first song that I wrote when I came home from all the Siamese Dream touring. I took three days off, and this was literally the first thing that came out of my hands when I sat down."

 
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:26 PM   #4
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ah ok. i though there was also something about him writing it in his victorian house? that house has hella eldritch mcis vibes.

 
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:33 PM   #5
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Probably. Would explain songs like Methusalah too.

Also I forgot that the Gravity Demos were mid-SD tour, but I think Bullet was demoed there too. And Mouths of Babes was written on tour too

 
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Old 06-18-2020, 10:34 PM   #6
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ah ok. i though there was also something about him writing it in his victorian house? that house has hella eldritch mcis vibes.
yep

"A simple song in a country tuning, 'Thirty-Three' was the first song that I wrote when I came home from all the Siamese Dream touring. I took three days off, and this was literally the first thing that came out of my hands when I sat down. I was living in my new house for the first time, and this song conveys all of that. The 'cha-cha-cha' sound is my drum machine through a flanger, and what you hear is the same one right off the demo because I couldn't remember how to recreate it. The stringly sounds are part Vocoder, plus five slide guitars tuned to one note each to create the chords."

 
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Old 06-18-2020, 10:56 PM   #7
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also

Before it all falls apart there is a moment
where you feel alright with not know-
ing where you will land; knowing that by
standing at a crossroads you invite whatever
just conclusion may come, be it failure or
success. I'd take these walks through my old
neighborhood, my collar pulled up not just
to brace away the cold but so that I could
save myself the embarrassment of being
recognized near where I lived. I longed for
a privacy I'd gladly given away in my rush
towards Olympus, and my home, painted a
camouflaged shade of purple, had become a
target for late-night teens feeling the need
to drunkenly scream my name as I slept. I
was fine with the idea of never-growing up,
but death seemed unavoidable; the death of
youth, the death of innocence.

 
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Old 06-19-2020, 10:07 AM   #8
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i'm guessing:
I Am One for Gish
Rocket for SD

 
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Old 06-19-2020, 10:11 AM   #9
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maybe it was Rhinoceros...

 
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Old 06-19-2020, 10:15 AM   #10
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yeah, Rocket seems likely for SD considering how early they were playing it live

i honestly doubt even Billy knows the answers to all of these though

 
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Old 06-19-2020, 10:26 AM   #11
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YOU DARE DOUBT THE ERUDITION OF THE BALD LORD?!?

 
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Old 06-19-2020, 10:41 AM   #12
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that's nothing... you should see my posts on Jesus Christ!

(happy 2222 2 me )

 
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Old 06-19-2020, 10:50 AM   #13
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Dude, he died in a manger for your sake! Show some respect, goddamn!

 
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Old 06-19-2020, 12:18 PM   #14
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Thread begs the question what constitutes “written”

Is a song been written when it has a verse/chorus loop? When it has a vocal melody? Scratch vocal? Or 100% with final lyrics consistent with album version?

Having written and recorded several gorilla emo records in the early 2000s, i can attest that u think groupies were a thing in the 50s 60s and 70s well ho ho ho my boys let me tell u — those groupies have a lot of different ideas about what constitutes “written”

 
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Old 06-19-2020, 12:42 PM   #15
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Also, should we consider old songs, written before they started writing a new album, or just songs written specifically for that album?

 
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Old 06-19-2020, 04:07 PM   #16
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the first song written for Day For Night was Solara

 
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Old 06-20-2020, 02:43 AM   #17
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first gish song played live was rhinoceros at the wzrd fm show in march 1989:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=696

but what date in 1989 was the reel time studio session recorded? they did i am one, bury me, daydream, and rhino then:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=5



for sd, rocket was played in june 1991:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=50

but what date was this luna demo recorded, sometime in 1991:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=11




first mcis era b-side demoed was set the ray to jerry on qaos in late 1992:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=16


infinte sadness was on the lp version of mcis, and that was recorded in the sd sessions early 1993:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=17


jellybelly was played during soundcheck in march 1994:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=304


and then later in march bwbw was played live:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=306


but when in 1994 was the gravity sessions recorded? jellybelly, bwbw, to forgive, love, galapogos, tonight tonight all recorded then:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=19



for adore, they started doing the eye tease during the silverfuck jam in june 1996:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=476

and sometime that summer both eye and tear were recorded for the lost highway s/t:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=34

but then in july 1996 half the album was attempted as a demo/recording:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=33



for machina, pretty sure it would be cash car star or saturnine since they were recorded during the adore sessions in early 1998:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=41

although for only machina 1 tracks, then either bsbt, wound, or gatgc from the machina acoustic demos in late 1998:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=46

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Old 06-20-2020, 09:01 AM   #18
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first gish song played live was rhinoceros at the wzrd fm show in march 1989:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=696

but what date in 1989 was the reel time studio session recorded? they did i am one, bury me, daydream, and rhino then:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=5



for sd, rocket was played in june 1991:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=50

but what date was this luna demo recorded, sometime in 1991:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=11




first mcis era b-side demoed was set the ray to jerry on qaos in late 1992:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=16


infinte sadness was on the lp version of mcis, and that was recorded in the sd sessions early 1993:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=17


jellybelly was played during soundcheck in march 1994:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=304


and then later in march bwbw was played live:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=306


but when in 1994 was the gravity sessions recorded? jellybelly, bwbw, to forgive, love, galapogos, tonight tonight all recorded then:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=19



for adore, they started doing the eye tease during the silverfuck jam in june 1996:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=476

and sometime that summer both eye and tear were recorded for the lost highway s/t:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=34

but then in july 1996 half the album was attempted as a demo/recording:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=33



for machina, pretty sure it would be cash car star or saturnine since they were recorded during the adore sessions in early 1998:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=41

although for only machina 1 tracks, then either bsbt, wound, or gatgc from the machina acoustic demos in late 1998:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=46
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Old 06-20-2020, 02:37 PM   #19
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The first song is the first one on the album you must be stupid or something

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 03:46 AM   #20
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I have the official MCIS guitar tab book that I purchased back in like 1999 or so. In that, there's a series of Guitar World articles which Billy wrote about his playing. They were actually quite good. In one of them, he talks about how he used to work at a record store and he would bring his acoustic guitar in to practice between customers. One day, he came up with the opening riff of Siva and realized that it was the type of sound he had been searching for (or something like that), so I believe Siva might be the first Pumpkins song ever written...

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 04:18 PM   #21
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When he blogged about recording Monuments to an Elegy, he mentioned jamming on "Anaise" with the Byrne-era band in 2012/2013.

 
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For Martha riff appeared in a MCIS demo. That’s probably the earliest Adore reference.

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 10:45 PM   #23
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billy still had a day job in 89, do you think he quit the record store as soon as he wrote the first pumpkins song?

 
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Old 06-21-2020, 10:54 PM   #24
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first gish song played live was rhinoceros at the wzrd fm show in march 1989:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=696

but what date in 1989 was the reel time studio session recorded? they did i am one, bury me, daydream, and rhino then:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=5



for sd, rocket was played in june 1991:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=50

but what date was this luna demo recorded, sometime in 1991:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=11




first mcis era b-side demoed was set the ray to jerry on qaos in late 1992:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=16


infinte sadness was on the lp version of mcis, and that was recorded in the sd sessions early 1993:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=17


jellybelly was played during soundcheck in march 1994:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=304


and then later in march bwbw was played live:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=306


but when in 1994 was the gravity sessions recorded? jellybelly, bwbw, to forgive, love, galapogos, tonight tonight all recorded then:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=19



for adore, they started doing the eye tease during the silverfuck jam in june 1996:

http://www.spfc.org/tours/date.html?tour_id=476

and sometime that summer both eye and tear were recorded for the lost highway s/t:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=34

but then in july 1996 half the album was attempted as a demo/recording:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=33



for machina, pretty sure it would be cash car star or saturnine since they were recorded during the adore sessions in early 1998:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=41

although for only machina 1 tracks, then either bsbt, wound, or gatgc from the machina acoustic demos in late 1998:

http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=46
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Rocket the first song written for Siamese Dream, and for a time, the only good new song we had, which we played on the Gish tours. I had never bothered to take the time to write any formal lyrics, so I would just fake my way through them at each show. No one could hear what I was singing anyway, but the title was enough. The arrangement still sounds fresh so many years along, and watch as it all ends with a beautiful, cascading up; the boom-boom of our ship taking off. It stands as a poem to the past that has just left us behind. We are going places fast! And we can't get there fast enough. Don't forget to bring your fresh nails for the crosses hidden up on the dark side of the moon.
From the Siamese Dream Remaster liner notes.

 
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Galapagos was soundchecked at the 93 metro shows too. At least an early chunk of it.

 
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Gish
Rhinoceros - First performed May 1989

Siamese Dream
Rocket - First performed June 1991

Mellon Collie
Jellybelly - First performed January 1992

Adore
To Sheila - written while traveling in Poland, so probably April 1996

Machina I & II
Let Me Give The World To You - First performed January 1998

 
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Gish
Rhinoceros - First performed May 1989

Siamese Dream
Rocket - First performed June 1991

Mellon Collie
Jellybelly - First performed January 1992

Adore
To Sheila - written while traveling in Poland, so probably April 1996

Machina I & II
Let Me Give The World To You - First performed January 1998
That Jellybelly isnít the same though

 
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Mellon Collie
Jellybelly - First performed January 1992
doesn't that version sound nothing like Jellybelly though?

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Machina I & II
Let Me Give The World To You - First performed January 1998
yeah recorded and almost released on Adore, then recorded and not released on Machina...

 
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That Jellybelly isnít the same though
Nah, that's fine.


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yeah recorded and almost released on Adore, then recorded and not released on Machina...
Which is why I said Machina II?

 
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