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03-04-2020, 06:18 AM | #2071 |
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Well as we're doing it, here's my Machina:
1. Everlasting Gaze 2. Glass' Theme 3. Dross 4. Stand Inside Your Love 5. Slow Dawn 6. Try Try Try 7. Raindrops and Sunshowers 8. Cash Car Star 9. Imploding Voice 10. Let Me Give The World To You 11. Vanity 12. Glass and the Ghost Children 13. Here's To The Atom Bomb 14. Age of Innocence That's a pretty good album. Those four opening tracks would rival any of their albums' opening four. It would certainly solidify the supposed "back to rock" concept post-Adore. |
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03-04-2020, 06:49 AM | #2072 |
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03-04-2020, 07:46 AM | #2073 |
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Everlasting Gaze was the lead radio single of Machina and it bombed, people didn’t like it and it demonstrates Billy ripping off Marilyn Manson goth-metal yet failing to reach that audience..
The riff is bad, the lyrics are pretentious, Bill’s vocals are annoying, the video is cringe. It’s a shocker honestly... I’ll grant IOTM but TEG is one of the worst tracks across M1&M2, a poor man’s WBFTD, and contributed to the albums commercial failure. Last edited by VoxUpDoc : 03-04-2020 at 08:03 AM. |
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03-04-2020, 08:58 AM | #2074 | |
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Think, if we'd sidestepped Adore and this came out instead, right after TEITBITE and the success of MCIS, it and the album would've done much better. After Adore, the fanbase was effectively killed off, so without that there'd have been no reason why another album of more rock stuff wouldn't have done well. |
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03-04-2020, 09:02 AM | #2075 |
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The sweeping warm wall of sound chorus is great. + of course the drums
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03-04-2020, 09:16 AM | #2076 | |
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Think, if we'd sidestepped Adore and this came out instead, right after TEITBITE and the success of MCIS, it and the album would've done much better. After Adore, the fanbase was effectively killed off, so without that there'd have been no reason why another album of more rock stuff wouldn't have done well. |
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03-04-2020, 09:21 AM | #2077 |
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03-04-2020, 10:32 AM | #2078 |
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the lack of home on your lists is baffling tbh
and you call yourselves fans??? pshaw! |
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03-04-2020, 10:59 AM | #2079 |
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After 24 hours of careful consideration and feeding a lot of data into a supercomputer, I wish to make a substitution. The end of G&TGC does run nicely into “Radio...” and that equally flows into HTTAB. So Crying Tree is out. Cougared. You can improve on perfection.
Slow Dawn Lucky 13 Cash Car Star Real Love LMGTWTY Dross SIYL Try, Try, Try G&TGC I Of The Mourning Here’s the the Atom Bomb (M1) Speed Kills (M2) Vanity BSBT Electronique Go This Time Imploding Voice In My Body Wound With Every Light Home If There Is A God (piano) AOI |
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03-04-2020, 11:25 AM | #2080 |
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the only machina list i ever made was shortening the original release by cutting off 5 songs from the album. and yes, The Everlasting Gaze was one of them.
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03-04-2020, 11:35 AM | #2081 |
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that's what we're doing fool! and I already consigned teg to the midden!
let's see your list! |
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03-04-2020, 11:36 AM | #2082 |
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anyone who makes a Machina list that cuts TEG needs to just let me know upfront like myosis just did so I don't have to bother even looking at the rest of it
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03-04-2020, 11:38 AM | #2083 |
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says the fellah would didn't inc-lude home
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03-04-2020, 11:42 AM | #2084 |
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i told you, Home was in my "grab bag"
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03-04-2020, 11:43 AM | #2085 |
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Your grab bag???
HOME IS GOD-TIER OG PUMPKINS FOOL!!!! THE BALD LORD KNOWS ALL AND HE WILL NOT FORGIVE. fuck. |
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03-04-2020, 11:44 AM | #2086 |
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yeah you overrate the fuck out of it, pal
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03-04-2020, 11:50 AM | #2087 |
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03-04-2020, 11:59 AM | #2088 |
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Home just has such a magical, shoegazy, dreamy vibe... and that bridge, ah, that bridge! Riverbanks and catacombs...
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03-04-2020, 12:02 PM | #2089 |
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Wait...are we talking re-sequencing Machina?
I cannot believe no one has thought of that before! |
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03-04-2020, 12:10 PM | #2090 |
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03-04-2020, 12:13 PM | #2091 |
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03-04-2020, 12:34 PM | #2092 |
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Adore still beats anyone's Machina playlist here, including my own. Sorry, someone had to bring this forum back down to Earth.
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03-04-2020, 12:35 PM | #2093 |
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03-04-2020, 12:52 PM | #2094 |
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03-04-2020, 12:53 PM | #2095 | |
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what it's trying to achieve is so much different from MCIS or Machina. sure Machina had production elements that might've been brought over from the A sessions, but comparing it to Billson's actual solo records sits more comfortably w/ me these days than trying to put it up against some huge rock opera undertaking like Machine |
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03-04-2020, 01:06 PM | #2096 |
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Man, Adore is pure pumpkins to me. I wish they kept going in that direction and Bilbo stopped giving a fuck about fame and monies and stadiums full of screaming idiots...
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03-04-2020, 01:21 PM | #2097 |
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I just wish he'd stepped away from the band for a minute so they could come back with something more like Machina on the 4th album & not spend the next 20 years trying to overcorrect for the "letdown" that was Adore as an SP album
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03-04-2020, 01:21 PM | #2098 |
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but then again, where's the fun in that
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03-04-2020, 01:24 PM | #2099 |
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yeah. it is what it is, ain't that the truth.
at least we got stuff like to Sheila and Home. And the chorus, just the chorus mind you! of teg. |
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03-04-2020, 01:32 PM | #2100 |
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Adore was better than M1 in terms of individual songwriting, but Billy called it a funeral march: it’s one note and on every other level Machina 1 is better. Taken as a body of work with M2, Machina era destroys Adore.
This era has some of strongest and accessible material in their catalogue, but the tracklisting and aesthetic choices of M1 ensured it didn’t connect with an audience. That’s part of the reason TEG is so shitty: The whole **** “you know I’m not dead” couple with this super cryptic biblical ye olde name and aesthetic. If the first single had been Cash Car Star, a track I don’t love but had a very 2000 vibe and straightforward message, and the video had been a simple band performance with Bill in a beanie hat and civilian getup rather than reprising his awful Adore black dress and makeup, then Machina would’ve connected with more of the nu metal crowd. But the name Machina was kind of shit and the tracklist of M1 is fucking dull. Better off sticking with FAEOMM or Black Wings Over America. Last edited by VoxUpDoc : 03-04-2020 at 01:38 PM. |
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