The dork side

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by ohnoitsbonnie

I hope you're not joking. Women need specialized healthcare. Of all the appointments I can go without, I would rather not go without that.

i can only get a pap every 2 years now as it is

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Sounds like a lot of conjecture. Trumps not gonna be your typical Republican candidate, that's for sure.

Trump has outright said that women should recieve punishment for having an abortion. What are we meant to go on here? His words, or delusion?

[Disco King]

Do you guys seriously expect Fuzzybrains to know anything about Trump's policies?

[fuzzyroes]

Some footage from this historic event

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by reprise85

It's not conjecture, they are already working on appealing the ACA, and honestly I'm more worried about Pence's agenda

Glad I got the iud now. Scared of having a child in this world. Politics will come and go but the environment might be so damaged at that point that it isn't worth it.

I'm supposed to get more frequent pap smears but we'll see

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by reprise85

This is actually scary for Americans. Maybe the protest wasn't perfect but this whole transition is really frightening and it is good for people to have a cathartic experience like a protest/gathering

Yeah I can definitely understand it, as that. I think this is more of what Bernie Sanders actually built - the idea that if people come together and work together, politicians will no longer be able to ignore them.

I think that's what I find so disappointing about the march - it did come across as a very general, and unfocused gathering. It's a good start - but it's kind of like changing a profile pic on Facebook - it makes people feel good, and as though they've done something, but declaring your stance on an issue isn't enough to help those who need it most. If everyone at the march put in a couple of volunteer hours a week at a women's shelter or pledged to support their local Planned Parenthood so that it wouldn't matter if the Government DID defund it, it would help a lot more people than just congregating in a space together.

But I think in terms of gathering to see how many other people feel the same way, and to be encouraged by that experience...it was very successful. I just don't know if those who most desperately need help - not just with feeling shitty about a Trump presidency, but in keeping their kids warm when the power gets shut off, and putting food on the table, are going to be any better off. In that sense, the march was kinda useless.

[redbreegull]

Bernie Sanders was there BTW

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by vixnix

I just don't know if those who most desperately need help - not just with feeling shitty about a Trump presidency, but in keeping their kids warm when the power gets shut off, and putting food on the table, are going to be any better off. In that sense, the march was kinda useless.

people say this about every protest ever. people said this to MLK in 60s.

[buzzard]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Do you guys seriously expect Fuzzybrains to know anything about Trump's policies?

Trump has policies...?

[fuzzyroes]

fast forward to the 5:30 mark to see our very own RBG! haha

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I'm responding to you the way I was taught to respond to people who criticize like you by my black female racial justice professor, one of the most intelligent people I have ever met. Your opinion is valid. Trying to invalidate the work others are doing in good will is not.

You have an excellent point in many ways. Feminism and white supremacy have gone hand-in-hand in the past. What I saw people saying yesterday is that this is NOT the feminism they are fighting for now, which must be inclusive and intersectional. I was honored as a white male to march with such an amazingly diverse group of women (and men too). The march yesterday looked like America, it looked like everyone.

It's hard to want to consider your opinion too hard when your evidence is what your conservative cousins talk about and which of your fb friends were attending, plus you aren't really explaining what you think all of us should be doing instead to protect our rights and the rights of people we love. It feels like you are being a cynical defeatist. Is the place of women of color to sit at home and pay bills? is that what they are supposed to do because that's what your cousins do? Were all these black and native and lesbian and hispanic women there yesterday doing something wrong by making their presence known to a rapist president who wants to destroy the ACA and defund Planned Parenthood? What should they be doing instead?

I mentioned volunteering at a women's shelter and pledging financial support to Planned Parenthood as two examples.

Creating private funds to help pay for medical appointments for low income women is another option - we had access to a private fund for one of my children when they needed to visit a specialist who charged a "gap fee" on top of what was subsidised by the government, and we couldn't afford it - it made a massive difference.

Opening a community pantry and collecting donations.
Collecting donations to make up small kits of sanitary products and spare underwear and pants for low income women.
Working with local welfare offices to offer a food delivery service to low income families who can't afford transport to community pantries.
Organising the collection of bread from bakeries at the end of the day, fresh fruit and vegetables and distributing it to those who need food.
Volunteering to help with literature programs in underperforming schools.

[vixnix]

Starting a fund and collecting financial contributions to help low income families pay their utility bills so that they can have running water and heat during winter.

And of course Bernie was there. This kind of mobilising of large numbers is what he is about and as I said, as encouragement for those who turned up, it was really successful.

[Disco King]

It's an "I'm going to shit on people who are already doing more than I am for not meeting my standards in effecting change in hopes that it makes me sound enlightened" thread.

[redbreegull]

Vixnix I think if you had been at the Washington march and weren't judging it based on nonsense, you would have seen that a great number of the people there were hardened activists who already do those things and participate in various forms of direct action. Clinton WON by three million votes and the total count of protesters yesterday nationwide was somewhere in the ballpark of 2 million. This was already mostly the people who care the most and do the most. I think there were also a lot of other people who came out because of fear of Trump and hopefully were inspired to take more direct action in the future. We heard a lot about how we all have to stand up and do more. I agree. A lot of people won't. But hopefully a lot will.

also I find it hard to dismiss the power of such an enormous demonstration. The whole fucking world watched and participated. These marches made history.

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

people say this about every protest ever. people said this to MLK in 60s.

well, we'll see I guess.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by buzzard

Trump has policies...?

He's only got one policy, bud. To make America great again.

And you know what? It's a damn good policy. *Raises Heineken*

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by reprise85

It's not conjecture, they are already working on appealing the ACA, and honestly I'm more worried about Pence's agenda

Trumps actually came out in support of planned parenthood. You can see the footage featured in the video I posted above.

And trust me, Trumps his own man. He's not gonna be bossed around by Pence, that's for sure. Pence works for him.

[Disco King]

Who wants to bet that Fuzzy doesn't know what Planned Parenthood does, but will Google it and pretend to?

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by ohnoitsbonnie

Trump has outright said that women should recieve punishment for having an abortion. What are we meant to go on here? His words, or delusion?

Planned parenthood does a heck of a lot more for woman than just provide abortions.

And as you're probably aware, Trumps backed off that statement completely.

He had to take a stance on certain issues to appeal to his base, but now that he's in office you're gonna see a different side to the man. He was just playing the game as all politicians do.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Trumps actually came out in support of planned parenthood. You can see the footage featured in the video I posted above.

And trust me, Trumps his own man. He's not gonna be bossed around by Pence, that's for sure. Pence works for him.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ed-parenthood/

[redbreegull]

at one point a Native American group wanted to move to the front of the crowd so they could hold their signs and banner close to the cameras because, "we want everyone to see our plight as the original owners of this land," and the insanely dense crowd just parted to let them through with no resistance. that's kind of a big deal in this country.

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by Disco King

It's an "I'm going to shit on people who are already doing more than I am for not meeting my standards in effecting change in hopes that it makes me sound enlightened" thread.

I put in a lot of time, away from netphoria, to help other people - and we pledge a significant amount of our income to non-profits rather than putting it into a mortgage for a million-dollar house. I don't feel bad for criticising the march as not particularly effective.

I think you might be projecting - from what you have posted here recently, I think you must be feeling pretty ineffective...

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

Clinton WON by three million votes and the total count of protesters yesterday nationwide was somewhere in the ballpark of 2 million.

This guy is unaware that the electoral college is put in place for a reason and that when politicians campaign, they do it based around it. The total vote number is completely irrelevant in the process and shouldn't be held against how a candidate campaigns.

[vixnix]

I mean your current contribution to humanity is posting political learnings and witticisms at netphoria, from what I can tell. To help people...you'd have to engage with them a bit more.

In real life.

[JESUSNEEDSAHIT]

can we skip to part where everyone realizes your problem is that there were signs with vaginas on them and because you have a raging boner for male domination

you have made multiple sympathetic comment about donald trump. as a not white woman I would think your first prioity would be fighting the sex abuser who wants to take away women healthcare. but typically you have a bigger problem with a sign with a vagina. the only one bringing your persoanl complex into this disucssion is you

[fuzzyroes]

If a candidate was selected by the popular vote total you can bet your bottom dollar that Trump would have campaigned in a COMPLETELY different manner.

Simple strawman argument that I wish people would stop making.

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

This guy is unaware that the electoral college is put in place for a reason and that when politicians campaign, they do it based around it. The total vote number is completely irrelevant in the process and shouldn't be held against how a candidate campaigns.

Aren't you canadian? Why is the popular vote "irrelevant"? The electoral college was created at a different time, for different reasons than now. If anything, it is irrelevant, and majority should rule for better or worse.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by vixnix

I put in a lot of time, away from netphoria, to help other people - and we pledge a significant amount of our income to non-profits rather than putting it into a mortgage for a million-dollar house. I don't feel bad for criticising the march as not particularly effective.

I think you might be projecting - from what you have posted here recently, I think you must be feeling pretty ineffective...

Vix, I commend you for doing what you can to make an actual difference. And I mean that in utmost sincerity

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

If a candidate was selected by the popular vote total you can bet your bottom dollar that Trump would have campaigned in a COMPLETELY different manner.

Simple strawman argument that I wish people would stop making.

I don't respect him for "playing the game" as youve said. I have no wish to be pandered to, but I guess I was raised differently so

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Apologist