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Old 10-08-2017, 04:01 PM   #1
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What were your initial reactions, given the state of your fandom and expectations/hopes for Adore at the time?

Nuanced lyrical narrative?
Hollow avant-jazz?
The work of a mature songwriter?
Boring as(s) shit?

Did Annie-Dog affect your appreciation of the band/Billy, for better or for worse?

Have your opinions/attitudes toward it changed over time?

I'd love to know.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 04:07 PM   #2
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:06 PM   #3
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always liked it.

but adore was my introduction album to the smashing pumpkins.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:16 PM   #4
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i thought it was boring. but i was 13. although i still kinda think it's boring

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:17 PM   #5
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His voice sounds cool. But it could of easily been replaced by Because U Rrrrrr

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:18 PM   #6
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ah yes, anne-dog

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:27 PM   #7
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got it right in the body copy, at least

 
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His voice sounds cool. But it could of easily been replaced by Because U Rrrrrr
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:48 PM   #9
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Just a taught from a local edgelord.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 06:35 PM   #10
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never liked it at first

but then i got depressed and loved it.

drumming is great on it. vocals are great.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:01 PM   #11
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Pistol pete > annie dog

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:31 PM   #12
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I remember being all excited release day and bringing it home, doing a bunch of homework and listening to it. I was confused when I hit Annie Dog and found it weird and kinda boring.

I knew nothing about what had happened to the band from 1996 up to then, but what I remember most was flipping through the booklet when Shame started up, reading the lyrics, and piecing together right away that Jimmy had left because something awful had happened. Looked into it soon after. For a really long time I couldn't listen to Shame or For Martha because they just made me absolutely miserable.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:44 PM   #13
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for a long time it was one of those songs i'd skip every single time.

then after a few years i gave it another shot, and i grew to really like it. i think it's a brave and rare moment to include on a record, and although it's not easy to take in if you're not a particularly invested listener, it does match with the vibe of the record and the tracklist in a way that feels "correct".

i like corgan's lazy morning vocals, before he even warmed up, and i like the way the lyrics are both very obvious in what they're about, yet they circle around the topic in strange, creative ways that are mostly left of center.

and then you have Shame, Behold, Martha and Blank Page.

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:47 PM   #14
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btw it definitely made me respect Billy more, cause he's just the kind of artist to make these bold choices and take chances.

he had songs like LMGTWTY and Blissed & Gone ready to go, but he chose to include that demo. it makes you look at it differently. assign different weight to it. in later years that same quality would bring him to make many unfortunate decisions, but on Adore i think it worked.

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Old 10-08-2017, 10:09 PM   #15
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i like corgan's lazy morning vocals
love that shit so much

there's an alt version of nightmare on the reissue like that too

 
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Old 10-08-2017, 11:29 PM   #16
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always liked it. works very well in context of the album

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:03 AM   #17
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always liked it.

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:20 AM   #18
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Pistol pete & annie dog
worst back to back SP1 tracks ever. that's the fat that billy should have cut off adore.

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:11 AM   #19
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What?? Annie dog is dull but pistol pete is essential adore.

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:12 AM   #20
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Oranges and pomegranates or whatever the fuck is the song that should of been cut.

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:22 PM   #21
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1. To Sheila
2. Ava Adore
3. Perfect
4. Daphne Descends
5. waiting
6. Tear
7. my mistake
8. Appels + Oranges
9. Pug
10. let me give the world to you
11. Annie-dog
12. Shame
13. Behold! The Night Mare
14. For Martha
15. Blank Page
16. 17

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:03 PM   #22
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1. Blissed and Gone (Sadlands Demo)
2. To Sheila
3. Once Upon a Time
4. The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete (CRC Demo)
5. What If? (Streeterville Demo)
6. Summer (Live @ Bridge School Benefit)
7. Valentine (Sadlands Demo)
8. Annie-Dog
9. Behold! The Nightmare (Alternate Vocal)
10. For Martha
11. Once in a While (CRC Demo)
12. 17

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:04 PM   #23
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love that shit so much
have you met my friend "once in a while"?

i think you guys would really hit it off

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:16 PM   #24
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Any dog.

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:55 PM   #25
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was cute in 98 when bills would bring out the cd booklet to use as a cheat sheet



sneaks peeks!

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 06:43 PM   #26
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I hated the arrangement and production on adore so Annie-Dog was the only song I enjoyed because it was so stripped down. It did make me respect Billy more because Adore came out during my first year at Uni. So I had moved on from high school and was living in a flat downtown, an Art Deco building. My room had a balcony where I used to smoke in the early hours of the morning feeling all grown up and reflective, and Annie Dog was the song from Adore that I connected with now that I was taking drugs and having casual sex and still having to get my geology field reports done. I listened to SD and Pisces more than Adore that year. Didn't like the rest of it. I remember listening to Wes Montgomery, Air, PJ Harvey and Beethoven. Annie Dog was the only song I listened to if I put on Adore.

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:01 PM   #27
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I think she's, like, serious.

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:02 PM   #28
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How do you feel about Because U Rrrr? Top 5 tsp ever?

 
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:03 PM   #29
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Anyway here's Fullltoke's Adore

To Sheila
25 min Transmission
LMGTWTY

 
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Totally serious.

To Sheila is fine until the Croge Philharmonia Choir comes in

 
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