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View Poll Results: well?
Atheist 7 50.00%
Agnostic 4 28.57%
Satanist 2 14.29%
Church of our Bald Lord and Mystik Sage 1 7.14%
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Old 05-02-2020, 10:10 AM   #61
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my parent's are having sabbath school on zoom

my dad is comparing covid-19 to Noah's flood

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 10:12 AM   #62
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my parent's are having sabbath school on zoom

my dad is comparing covid-19 to Noah's flood
Believers just can’t help themselves but blame terrible disasters on god, huh

One of the more perplexing of the choices of religious folks if u ask me

But i guess it has to be hard if u believe in a hunky, betesticled interventionist sort of god such that HE could stop it at any time

Have to find some reasons why HE hasn’t, i guess

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 10:15 AM   #63
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lol yeah. whenever believers find out that i don't believe they act like i have some sort of issue with god, like i am mad at him or something.

its like nah sorry you are totally off haha.

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 10:15 AM   #64
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now they are talking about enoch



 
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Old 05-02-2020, 10:52 AM   #65
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today in sabbath studies we're opening our books on chapter 3:8 - Into the Void.

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 10:57 AM   #66
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Old 05-02-2020, 11:34 AM   #67
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not surprised you miserable fuckers are a bunch of atheists.
not me. i'm agnostic, but it should be called don't know, don't care

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 01:32 PM   #68
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now they are talking about enoch


i dont get it

what's so funny?

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 02:01 PM   #69
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not me. i'm agnostic, but it should be called don't know, don't care

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 03:54 PM   #70
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i think the fundamental question is how did something come from nothing
because if u believe in god, where did god come from
and if u believe in the big bang, as far as i understand it, it still a given that something existed - entropy - in the first place. but i'm not a scientist.
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yeah ostensibly prior to the big bang there was a state of extreme entropy and then something happened to cause a dip in entropy and BANG now we have everything.
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I actually just watched this episode and the "something from nothing" problem is addressed, if anyone is as much of a geek as I am. Space Time is fairly nitty gritty for pop science but it's super informative. I cued up where he starts talking about why General Relativity (which predicts that the universe existed as a zero dimensional singularity with no space and time) is incomplete, and some possibilities for what might have come before the Big Bang. The relevant part is only 5 minutes


 
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Old 05-02-2020, 04:11 PM   #71
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or if tl;dw

general relativity actually breaks quantum mechanics when you get down to a brief, brief instant after the Big Bang. The universe never existed as a singularity with no dimensions of time and space and did "come from somewhere." it's the same problem as time stopping when things go into black holes, but in reverse.

time is relative but if you trace all timelines back to the moment of the Big Bang they should actually go through the other side into... something else, we don't know; possibly a bigger infinitely expanding multiverse, possibly given infinite time all matter in the universe will find it's way back to a single point and come out the other side into a new universe, or maybe we even got spit out the other side of a black hole, it's unknown. point is though that time and space only began from our point of view at the Big Bang and that actually doesn't check out with the physics

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 04:12 PM   #72
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I believe in aliens


 
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Old 05-02-2020, 04:16 PM   #73
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or if tl;dw

general relativity actually breaks quantum mechanics when you get down to a brief, brief instant after the Big Bang. The universe never existed as a singularity with no dimensions of time and space and did "come from somewhere." it's the same problem as time stopping when things go into black holes, but in reverse.

time is relative but if you trace all timelines back to the moment of the Big Bang they should actually go through the other side into... something else, we don't know; possibly a bigger infinitely expanding multiverse, possibly given infinite time all matter in the universe will find it's way back to a single point and come out the other side into a new universe, or maybe we even got spit out the other side of a black hole, it's unknown. point is though that time and space only began from our point of view at the Big Bang and that actually doesn't check out with the physics
yeah science biotch

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 04:54 PM   #74
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I too believe in aliens

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 05:17 PM   #75
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So I can put you down for Church of Our Bald Lord and Mystik Sage?

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 05:33 PM   #76
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So I can put you down for Church of Our Bald Lord and Mystik Sage?
basically yes

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 06:05 PM   #77
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may I take this opportunity to remind you in a friendly way that CODEPENDANCE =/= CORRELATION?

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 06:13 PM   #78
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Old 05-02-2020, 07:03 PM   #79
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i don't believe in beatles

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 08:01 PM   #80
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i don't believe in god
i don't believe in america
i don't believe in rock and roll
i believe in me

-billy corgan, circa when he wasn't the worst human of all time

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 08:14 PM   #81
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or if tl;dw

general relativity actually breaks quantum mechanics when you get down to a brief, brief instant after the Big Bang. The universe never existed as a singularity with no dimensions of time and space and did "come from somewhere." it's the same problem as time stopping when things go into black holes, but in reverse.

time is relative but if you trace all timelines back to the moment of the Big Bang they should actually go through the other side into... something else, we don't know; possibly a bigger infinitely expanding multiverse, possibly given infinite time all matter in the universe will find it's way back to a single point and come out the other side into a new universe, or maybe we even got spit out the other side of a black hole, it's unknown. point is though that time and space only began from our point of view at the Big Bang and that actually doesn't check out with the physics
regardless of how the big bang happened
how did the first thing that ever happened happen, is maybe a better question

 
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Old 05-02-2020, 08:23 PM   #82
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Old 05-08-2020, 06:12 PM   #83
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damn, feeling a bit more fortunate I stopped the "r u D'arcy?" routine when I did!
LOL that's fine I respect D, so I found that one amusing.

 
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regardless of how the big bang happened
how did the first thing that ever happened happen, is maybe a better question
maybe that's not a relevant question though. maybe there is no "beginning" and our need for there to be one is rooted within the limitations of our own understanding. what if the multiverse is truly infinite, and expansion is truly infinite with no beginning and no end?

I don't necessarily believe this, but it is a hypothesis that some cosmologists like. At least from what our current understanding of physics tells, if the bubble universe idea is right, there might truly be no bookends to the expansion of space

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maybe you don't get to decide which questions are relevant? FUCKIN SHITHEAD

but yeah i have always suspected the whole "big bang" thing to be mostly just a reflection of the typical presence of a "beginning" in human narrative structures. as a farmer i tend to think time and space work more in cycles without beginning or end. turtles all the way down man

 
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marijuana
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they all changed the way i see
but love's the only thing that's ever saved my life

 
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i don't believe in god
i don't believe in america
i don't believe in rock and roll
i believe in me

-billy corgan, circa when he wasn't the worst human of all time
this is quoted from one of his most cringiest self indulgent moments

he wasn't the worst human of all time but he was still a massive arrogant douche

 
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maybe that's not a relevant question though. maybe there is no "beginning" and our need for there to be one is rooted within the limitations of our own understanding. what if the multiverse is truly infinite, and expansion is truly infinite with no beginning and no end?

I don't necessarily believe this, but it is a hypothesis that some cosmologists like. At least from what our current understanding of physics tells, if the bubble universe idea is right, there might truly be no bookends to the expansion of space
it's possible it's not a relevant question.

but then you're back in the realm of what people say about god - eternal, nothing needed to make god, because god has always existed

and again my point, that these two ideas of using religion or science to explain the origin of the universe is fundamentally for the same reason and because of the same breakdown in being able to understand.

which was what my first argument was

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i'm an atheist because i don't believe in god
but i don't think you can take out the possibility that something outside of what we understand is going on - something fundamentally different - that isn't unscientific, but it's beyond what we know how to deal with.
i'm not saying science is a religion since it's not. only that people using one or the other in the search for spiritual or ultimate truth beyond our mundane existences (or why there is no such thing) on earth are really asking the same questions. and also that there could be something outside of our outstanding, that some people might consider spiritual, and why i'm reluctant to say as an atheist that there's definitely nothing that a rational personal could perceive as "spiritual" going on in the cosmos

 
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