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Old 01-31-2017, 02:16 PM   #181
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Hmmm well Sanders isn't actually officially affliated (I mean, he works with both parties though) with the Democrats any longer (and only was for a short period of time). So I guess you're both wrong.

Reminder to self: change affiliation

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 02:29 PM   #182
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http://www.state.nj.us/state/electio...ation-form.pdf Here's the NJ form if anyone want it

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:53 PM   #183
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But don't listen to me, just keep carrying on with whatever delusions you have and see how 2020 works out for you.

Speaking of - Trump just pulled off a legally cunning move to offset George Soros and all those commie front groups he supports and works through. Did it without saying a word, which is truly boss.


Trump has already declared himself a Presidential candidate for the 2020 election. Earliest anyone has ever done it. He did it to muzzle the jew commie who thrives on taking advantage of other jews...and everyone else.

What did this accomplish? SOROS, who does everything with NGO's has been shut up, because it is illegal for any NGO or foundation to speak or act against a candidate because that is interference with an election. So they can only do it against a president, who is not a candidate.

He shut up Soros for 4 full years! lol!!! Keep in mind, this also badly stifles a lawsuit Soros is trying to push through with one of his foundations, which claims Trump should be impeached. Soros can't sue through the NGO's on this, he'd have to do it on his own. Brilliant, if not dastardly, legal moves by Trump against Soros who's used to owning this realm.

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:59 PM   #184
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Yes the govt pulling strings without the public's explicit knowledge is completely awesome

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:00 PM   #185
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🙄🙄🙄There's no overreach or tyranny if it comes from the gop

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:01 PM   #186
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And of course, the jews

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:04 PM   #187
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I've never paid attn to TOC's posts before but they're terrible. This guy doesnt have a genuine bone in his body. He's a shill for ONE SIDE rather than a rational human being. He doesnt see the writing on the wall and he never will. A total puppet

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:05 PM   #188
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Bush did 9/11. What will trump's gop do now?

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:05 PM   #189
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I mean I'm fairly dostrustful of the govt but this guy LOVES it (as long as the party he favors is in power with no restrictions).

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 07:30 PM   #190
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I mean I'm fairly dostrustful of the govt but this guy LOVES it (as long as the party he favors is in power with no restrictions).
most antigovernment/conspiracy/free thinker types are like this IME

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 07:31 PM   #191
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it's like layer upon layer of compartmentalized obfuscation of white nationalist authoritarianism

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 07:35 PM   #192
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Something like that. And that was Trump's message to them, while Hillary's message was... ? "You're deplorable"?
Majority of Americans still voted for her so hard to say Americans took it that way

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 07:42 PM   #193
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Need more populism from the Democratic party even if the current message should be winning because it's right

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 07:50 PM   #194
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Need more populism from the Democratic party even if the current message should be winning because it's right
Liberals have a very hard battle ahead of them. At this point, liberals drastically outnumber conservatives in the US, yet the GOP is dominating politically because while the Dems were busy fucking shit up, the GOP has slowly reordered the entire system to favor themselves and keep their party solvent despite having far, far less support.

If districts were drawn by independent bodies and not the ruling party in state legislatures, the GOP would be absolutely fucked overnight.

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:21 PM   #195
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They need to tap into the gigantic gold mine that is young voters eventually they will become old and vote and combined with demographic changes conservatism as we know is unlikely to survive but will there even be an Earth left by then

right now their current turnout is just abysmal, part of that is voter suppression but still

maybe reconsider the pragmatic strategy it's not that Americans don't agree they just aren't inspired to vote

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:28 PM   #196
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I mean this is how Obama won, he was the rebel, the populist of his time

young people showed up and it was decisive

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/1...ecisive-083510

what I mean is extend that strategy everywhere state, local, House, Senate

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:32 PM   #197
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They need to tap into the gigantic gold mine that is young voters eventually they will become old and vote and combined with demographic changes conservatism as we know is unlikely to survive but will there even be an Earth left by then

right now their current turnout is just abysmal, part of that is voter suppression but still

maybe reconsider the pragmatic strategy it's not that Americans don't agree they just aren't inspired to vote
agreed. It's very early, but right now is the most mobilized liberals have been in decades, which makes me feel pretty good (small victories). This country might be fucking stupid but there are still a lot of people who in the face of a real existential threat are ready to fight. The Dems need to clean house and purge the old guard... even now there are Democrats confirming Trump's nominees. Why? What could the point possibly be? They just don't get it. But hopefully we will see a major insurgency to oust these fucks in 2018 and replace them with our own version of the Tea Party. We need young people not only to vote, but to run for office. If Trump can be president, anyone can be an elected official. Seriously. You or I could possibly be state congresspeople. There is a real void of leadership right now except for Sanders, Warren, Booker and a few others, but even those people may be too old guard for what we need.

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:35 PM   #198
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/u...t-workers.html

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Obama’s Protections for L.G.B.T. Workers Will Remain Under Trump

WASHINGTON — The White House said on Monday that President Trump would leave in place a 2014 Obama administration order that created new workplace protections for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

In a statement issued in response to growing questions about whether Mr. Trump would reverse the Obama order, the White House said the president was proud to embrace gay rights.

“President Trump continues to be respectful and supportive of L.G.B.T.Q. rights, just as he was throughout the election,” the statement said. “The president is proud to have been the first ever G.O.P. nominee to mention the L.G.B.T.Q. community in his nomination acceptance speech, pledging then to protect the community from violence and oppression.”

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:36 PM   #199
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Imagine if in 2 years, hundreds of districts were flooded with millennials battling for local seats.

I do believe you can rig the system but you can't rig the people, you know? You can tamp down a majority for a season, but in the end large groups of angry people can unseat any power. That's the story of history

and that's also the real psychological motivation behind omg give him a chance why can't we just be calm omg no punching plz... it doesn't take a rocket scientist or a historian to know what happens when an unpopular government cracks down on its people

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:36 PM   #200
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Speaking of - Trump just pulled off a legally cunning move to offset George Soros and all those commie front groups he supports and works through. Did it without saying a word, which is truly boss.


Trump has already declared himself a Presidential candidate for the 2020 election. Earliest anyone has ever done it. He did it to muzzle the jew commie who thrives on taking advantage of other jews...and everyone else.

What did this accomplish? SOROS, who does everything with NGO's has been shut up, because it is illegal for any NGO or foundation to speak or act against a candidate because that is interference with an election. So they can only do it against a president, who is not a candidate.

He shut up Soros for 4 full years! lol!!! Keep in mind, this also badly stifles a lawsuit Soros is trying to push through with one of his foundations, which claims Trump should be impeached. Soros can't sue through the NGO's on this, he'd have to do it on his own. Brilliant, if not dastardly, legal moves by Trump against Soros who's used to owning this realm.
Fucking eh man. There's this mainstream media narrative out there that Trumps a dumb-ass and that he has a bunch of clowns in his cabinet but it really couldn't be further from the truth.

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:40 PM   #201
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agreed. It's very early, but right now is the most mobilized liberals have been in decades, which makes me feel pretty good (small victories). This country might be fucking stupid but there are still a lot of people who in the face of a real existential threat are ready to fight. The Dems need to clean house and purge the old guard... even now there are Democrats confirming Trump's nominees. Why? What could the point possibly be? They just don't get it. But hopefully we will see a major insurgency to oust these fucks in 2018 and replace them with our own version of the Tea Party. We need young people not only to vote, but to run for office. If Trump can be president, anyone can be an elected official. Seriously. You or I could possibly be state congresspeople. There is a real void of leadership right now except for Sanders, Warren, Booker and a few others, but even those people may be too old guard for what we need.
Guy just doesn't get it

 
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Imagine if in 2 years, hundreds of districts were flooded with millennials battling for local seats.

I do believe you can rig the system but you can't rig the people, you know? You can tamp down a majority for a season, but in the end large groups of angry people can unseat any power. That's the story of history

and that's also the real psychological motivation behind omg give him a chance why can't we just be calm omg no punching plz... it doesn't take a rocket scientist or a historian to know what happens when an unpopular government cracks down on its people
Nobody with morality wanted it to happen this way considering the people who will suffer but Trump is poking the sleeping dogs

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:43 PM   #203
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Imagine if in 2 years, hundreds of districts were flooded with millennials battling for local seats.
Which would be nice for you and your hipster buddies, but do you really think the rest of the states are going to vote for em?

You live in this delusional bubble. Snap out of it already. Elph even gets it. The democrats have lost touch with the average person.

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:54 PM   #204
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rbg just totally agreed with me tho

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Oh, my bad. I thought you were suggesting that the party focuses more on getting the millennial kids out to vote rather than thinking that they could just run for local seats in the senate and win.

 
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rbg just totally agreed with me tho

poor fuzzy
not sure how he could have interpreted what I said to be anything but in agreement since I started with "agreed"

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Ultimately the young people want what the older people want which is to be making money and living comfortably, not working their asses off while still struggling to make a living.

The Democrats just can't wrap their heads around that crucial fact.

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 09:03 PM   #208
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Can someone tell RBG that I don't care that he has me on ignore, so he can stop talking about it in every thread in which I'm conversing?

Thank you!

 
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Old 01-31-2017, 09:05 PM   #209
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Thank you for the constructive addition to my thread!

 
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