Smashing Pumpkins 'Shiny And Oh So Bright' Tour 2018

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

Funny how some compare GunsnRoses to pumpkins -

GnR were much bigger and had real big success.
So SP were succesful, but nothing in comparison to GnR.

Please Billy release a really good single - nothing more.

Stop your stupid announcements, just release.

I wouldn´t pay a penny to see them live again. Horrible singing, zero motivation to interact with the crowd - horrible sound quality. And most of all Corgan really thinks he is the best, which by far he isn´t.

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

ROFL: People here just bashing and hating billy so much. Must be a weird hooby flaming on the internet and hoping to feel better after annoying and offending people and the SP here.

You ok there pal?

[FoolofaTook]

hooby

LOL

[Slurpee]

Originally Posted by pinetree

Saw weezer at an arena in 2002.... totally boring. I think 94 was the time to see weezer. But I was 12. So whatevs

I saw them in 96 and they fuckin ruled. Pinkerton tour. Tiny club. Rivers did not look at the audience once the entire night... just stared straight down.

[DemonUnicorns]

This thread has gotten better the longer it goes.

Fantastic discussion!

I’ll agree with whoever said that Adore is not some masterpiece. While it definitely had been underrated for a while, it is actually stating to become overrated among the fan base.

Machina on the other hand I will argue is certainly underrated. How can you not appreciate the uniqueness in the way that it was produced? Machina was really the last time that Billy made something ambitious. Everything after it has been forced and recycled.

Also, Pisces Iscariot is a compilation album. Accept it. Compare it to other compilation albums. But none of that takes away from how awesome it is. Did I read someone say Adore was better than it? lol. There are easily 6 songs from Pisces that are better than anything on Adore.

[reprise85]

so is nickelback confirmed or not? fuzzy?

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by DemonUnicorns

This thread has gotten better the longer it goes.

Fantastic discussion!

I’ll agree with whoever said that Adore is not some masterpiece. While it definitely had been underrated for a while, it is actually stating to become overrated among the fan base.

Machina on the other hand I will argue is certainly underrated. How can you not appreciate the uniqueness in the way that it was produced?

Fairly easily tbh

[houseofglass11]

Uniqueness of Machinas production? It sounds like a muddy mess.

[DemonUnicorns]

But it’s the layer underneath the layer!

The uniqueness is lost on you.

[DemonUnicorns]

Flood rules, fight me.

[reprise85]

i like machina better than adore but adore has for martha and blank page, which are both better than anything on machina

[Corgan's Bluff]

The problem with the complex mix of Machina is that you need a good HiFi to enjoy it.

[smashingjj]

Lol yeah that's it

[Corgan's Bluff]

Linda Strawdingle is learning the bass (noodling)! The days of Jackass Bates are counted...

Yay my bass just arrived. Thank you @scott_marceau @yamahamusicusa - #bb434 Here’s some noodling. Lol. I just unboxed it 🤘🎶I’m playing with the end of my acrylic paint tube because I couldn’t find a pick. 😂 I couldn’t think of what to play - only BWBW lol. So excited to plug this in! #bb434 I normally don’t pick this hard I just wasn’t sure if it would be audible.

Ein Beitrag geteilt von Linda Strawberry (@lindastrawberry) am Mär 7, 2018 um 1:29 PST

Yamahaha:

My new bass just arrived. 🎸@yamahamusicusa #bb434 😍🍓🎶 now what shall I name her? Thank you @scott_marceau -

Ein Beitrag geteilt von Linda Strawberry (@lindastrawberry) am Mär 7, 2018 um 1:31 PST

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by DemonUnicorns

Flood rules, fight me.

I give Flood and Alan Moulder a lot of credit for helping make Mellon Collie was it is. Best producer the band has worked with and van capture their raw and primal power.


Machina was just a disappointment. Machina II had stronger tracks.

Adore > Machinas

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by reprise85

so is nickelback confirmed or not? fuzzy?

I assume once the ticket sales start stalling that they'll unleash the opening acts with a frenzy... Should be any day now by that accord No one had any clue who the opening acts for GnR would be for the longest time either. Lenny Kravitz and Alice In Chains were actually rolled out with little fanfare... Probably cause the sales and demand were already so large and more than even Live Nation would have anticipated. I mean, I'm sure they knew they were gonna cash in, but one of the highest grossing tours of all time? Doubt they saw that coming.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by DemonUnicorns

This thread has gotten better the longer it goes.

Fantastic discussion!

I’ll agree with whoever said that Adore is not some masterpiece. While it definitely had been underrated for a while, it is actually stating to become overrated among the fan base.

Machina on the other hand I will argue is certainly underrated. How can you not appreciate the uniqueness in the way that it was produced? Machina was really the last time that Billy made something ambitious. Everything after it has been forced and recycled.

Also, Pisces Iscariot is a compilation album. Accept it. Compare it to other compilation albums. But none of that takes away from how awesome it is. Did I read someone say Adore was better than it? lol. There are easily 6 songs from Pisces that are better than anything on Adore.

The problem with Adore and Machina is that Billy Corgan started desperately chasing the "1979 dragon". He scored a massive hit and figured he had stumbled on the golden formula. You'd never have songs like Perfect or Stand Inside Your Love pushed so hard if it wasn't for 1979. The success of that song really changed his writing formula... Even a song like Everlasting Gaze has elements of it in the chorus.

[houseofglass11]

Flood can't mix heavy rock for shit. The mellow songs sound great though. I love MCIS as a whole, it's sounds like a 70's album, but compared to Butch Vig's SD production it's pretty low-fi.

[fuzzyroes]

Even the Ava Adore chorus is reminiscent of the 1979 chorus in a weird way. It's hard to articulate, but there was definitely a very big shift in his songwriting sensibilities post MCIS. The only way I can describe it is being a lot more 1979-y

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Flood can't mix heavy rock for shit. The mellow songs sound great though. I love MCIS as a whole, it's sounds like a 70's album, but compared to Butch Vig's SD production it's pretty low-fi.

That was just the 1994-1996 trend at the time... To follow up your overproduced albums with something more raw in a display of perceived artistic integrity. It was obviously the standard set by Nirvana with In Utero following Nevermind ... But countless bands followed that formula at the time... Smashing Pumpkins (MCIS), Weezer (Pinkerton), Pearl Jam (Vitalogy), Green Day (Insomniac), Bush (Razor blade Suitcase), Live (Secret Samadhi) ETC. The list really does go on and on.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Even the Ava Adore chorus is reminiscent of the 1979 chorus in a weird way. It's hard to articulate, but there was definitely a very big shift in his songwriting sensibilities post MCIS. The only way I can describe it is being a lot more 1979-y

it's more poppy, quite simply. he always had songs like this but he started making it basically a requirement of all singles

[houseofglass11]

yeah that's tr00 fuzzy

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by reprise85

it's more poppy, quite simply. he always had songs like this but he started making it basically a requirement of all singles

I dunno. Songs like Rocket and Today are as poppy as it gets, but they didn't have that 1979 element to the writing. I'd say even songs like I of the Mourning, Try Try Try, Wound and This Time (among others on Adore/Machina) were clearly trying to recapture that 1979 magic.

A lot of bands do that shit when they score a surprise massive hit. Sugar Ray is the example I always use. They had nothing on their albums that sounded anything like Fly... It was just a quirky thrown together song that was written by the drummer that turned into a huge hit, next thing you know every song they do is in the vein of "Fly".

[Corgan's Bluff]

From "Rock Invasion" to "Rock Erosion"...

Ein Beitrag geteilt von Jimmy Chamberlin (@chamberdrums) am Mär 7, 2018 um 6:08 PST

chamberdrums
Rock invasion! @smashingpumpkins

[fuzzyroes]

Barenaked Ladies are another example with that One Week song.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

A lot of bands do that shit when they score a surprise massive hit. Sugar Ray is the example I always use. They had nothing on their albums that sounded anything like Fly... It was just a quirky thrown together song that was written by the drummer that turned into a huge hit, next thing you know every song they do is in the vein of "Fly".

no way, that's MUCH worse. their entire genre changed.



offspring did it too but they had a back catalog and other hits so it doesn't seem as terrible

corgan was always trying to recapture the mcis-singles run but he didn't change the band completely

[fuzzyroes]

I dunno. I've come to the conclusion that 1979 is the worst thing that could have happened for him. I'd say from Adore on the sound was changed completely. Even when they tried to "rock" again on some songs on the Machinas it was a total 180 from the glory years. Now I know it may have been an artistic thing, but I think a good ton of that post-MCIS music is 1979 influenced in one way or another.

Just a personal theory of mine.

[MyKeyZ]

Smashing Pumpkins' MCIS vs Siamese Dream
Flood's lo-fi production > Butch Vig's hi-fi production

Nirvana's In Utero vs Nevermind
Steve Albini's lo-fi production > Butch Vig's hi-fi production

Albini and Flood captured what these bands actually sound like live and in person and not some super glossy, radio friendly version of them. It was about capturing the real band, all members playing together in a room. In Utero is up there as one of the best produced rock records ever.

Those albums fuzzy mentioned just happen to also be those bands' best albums.

I highly suggest the Devonshire mixes of Nevermind that came with the super deluxe edition, much better than the final mix and master.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by reprise85

i like machina better than adore but adore has for martha and blank page, which are both better than anything on machina

imo the only songs on machina in the same league as most of Adore are SIYL and IOTM.

Originally Posted by Corgan's Bluff

The problem with the complex mix of Machina is that you need a good HiFi to enjoy it.

my setup is decent and machina does not sound any better on it

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

I give Flood and Alan Moulder a lot of credit for helping make Mellon Collie was it is. Best producer the band has worked with and van capture their raw and primal power.


Machina was just a disappointment. Machina II had stronger tracks.

Adore > Machinas

Yes to Machina II being better than I, and yes to Adore > Machina
No to Flood and Alan Moulder

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

The problem with Adore and Machina is that Billy Corgan started desperately chasing the "1979 dragon". He scored a massive hit and figured he had stumbled on the golden formula. You'd never have songs like Perfect or Stand Inside Your Love pushed so hard if it wasn't for 1979. The success of that song really changed his writing formula... Even a song like Everlasting Gaze has elements of it in the chorus.

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Even the Ava Adore chorus is reminiscent of the 1979 chorus in a weird way. It's hard to articulate, but there was definitely a very big shift in his songwriting sensibilities post MCIS. The only way I can describe it is being a lot more 1979-y

eh I dunno. I think that element of his songwriting has always been there. Think about how similar the chorus of 1979 is to "faith lies in the ways of sin"

he did move towards a more pop sound in general, but I don't see it being because of 1979. 1979 is just one song in a progression of Billy becoming a more pop-hook-centric artist. today and disarm are two of his poppiest songs, and they had been big hits already.

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Flood can't mix heavy rock for shit. The mellow songs sound great though. I love MCIS as a whole, it's sounds like a 70's album, but compared to Butch Vig's SD production it's pretty low-fi.

I agree with this. The production on the soft tracks sounds gorgeous, lush, and intricate. the heavy tracks are way too muddy and I feel like you really lose a lot by not being able to hear the nuances of the drums and guitar in the overly bass-heavy master.

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

Smashing Pumpkins' MCIS vs Siamese Dream
Flood's lo-fi production > Butch Vig's hi-fi production

Nirvana's In Utero vs Nevermind
Steve Albini's lo-fi production > Butch Vig's hi-fi production

Albini and Flood captured what these bands actually sound like live and in person and not some super glossy, radio friendly version of them. It was about capturing the real band, all members playing together in a room. In Utero is up there as one of the best produced rock records ever.

For me, it's not just about hi-fi v. lo-fi. I don't like Steve Albini, but I do think the production on In Utero sounds good. But it's pretty crisp and clear compared to MCIS.

[fuzzyroes]

You don't think he became a lot more formulaic following MCIS? You'd never have Corgan penning songs like Perfect or Stand Inside Your Love if it wasn't for the success of 1979. Even a song I quite like like "Wound", the 1979 influence is undeniable.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

You don't think he became a lot more formulaic following MCIS? You'd never have Corgan penning songs like Perfect or Stand Inside Your Love if it wasn't for the success of 1979. Even a song I quite like like "Wound", the 1979 influence is undeniable.

he did become more formulaic. I don't think SIYL is a good example, but I also don't think it's because of 1979. Gish is the least pop album and every album after that is consecutively more pop oriented basically