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08-17-2020, 12:21 PM | #91 |
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I’m making fun of you, not Sanders. Sanders knows there is no comparison between Biden and Trump and is vocally supporting Biden.
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08-17-2020, 12:21 PM | #92 |
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08-17-2020, 01:09 PM | #93 |
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also, as squish squash already knows, a lot of people on this board including myself voted for Sanders both times in the primaries. but you know, the world is largely black and white so lesser evilism is wrong and we should smash the system etc etc
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08-17-2020, 01:09 PM | #94 |
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to hell with reducing suffering and utilitarianism, give me what I want or fuck you
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08-17-2020, 01:13 PM | #95 | |
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08-17-2020, 01:15 PM | #96 |
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drilling in the arctic coming soon
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08-17-2020, 01:59 PM | #97 | |
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Yeah, right. My goal is to get a progressive in 2024. You’d rather suffer 8 years of Harris (Biden won’t last long) than 4 more years of Trump even if those 4 years led to 8 years of AOC. Look at the big picture and stop continuing a broken system. You do realize we’d have got a progressive this time if everyone who supported Bernie voted green in 2016? You guys are telling the Democratic establishment you are happy taking their shit sandwich, and they see no reason to start putting up any candidate who will bring about real change. If Biden wins, the establishment will be even more convinced they don’t need to do anything to earn votes. |
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08-17-2020, 02:01 PM | #98 |
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the idea that letting trump get re-elected will result in a progressive revolution is straight up 100% magical thinking.
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08-17-2020, 02:01 PM | #99 |
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like, truly an idea with absolutely no evidence whatsoever
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08-17-2020, 02:03 PM | #100 |
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I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you need to get off the internet and go study public policy or something
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08-17-2020, 02:14 PM | #101 |
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"keep [...] in president" is another weird English (American?) language thing
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08-17-2020, 02:15 PM | #102 |
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he is a president, not in president
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08-17-2020, 02:15 PM | #103 |
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or are you, foolofatook?
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08-17-2020, 02:24 PM | #104 |
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08-17-2020, 02:25 PM | #105 |
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08-17-2020, 02:36 PM | #106 |
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Why do we always make the mistake of placing the debate at the point set by users that clearly don't read our posts or engage in good faith?
This is currently looking more or less identical to discussions had with fuzzy over Trump vs. Hillary in 2016. Some of those references to the unproven, future tense warmongering of the Democrat candidate are virtually direct quotes. |
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08-17-2020, 02:37 PM | #107 |
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Are your own views best expressed upon a backdrop of broken record statements issued by a person that, however old they may be in reality, read like a teenager feeling super enlightened by their first two weeks at college?
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08-17-2020, 02:40 PM | #108 |
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08-17-2020, 02:51 PM | #109 |
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"I personally draw a distinction between endorsement, endorsing a candidate, and voting for them. I have not yet endorsed Vice President Biden, but I will be voting for him in November."
- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez “Do we be as active as we can in electing Joe Biden and doing everything we can to move Joe and his campaign in a more progressive direction? Or do we choose to sit it out and allow the most dangerous president in modern American history to get reelected? I believe that it’s irresponsible for anybody to say, ‘Well, I disagree with Joe Biden -- I disagree with Joe Biden! -- and therefore I’m not going to be involved.’” - Bernie Sanders Go convince your own heroes that they're wrong, Squish Squash. Fly directly in the face of the advice of your ideal presidents. |
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08-17-2020, 03:30 PM | #110 | |
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08-17-2020, 03:31 PM | #111 |
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Trump literally canceled the plan to get rid of private prisons. Did you miss that?
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08-17-2020, 03:32 PM | #112 |
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08-17-2020, 03:36 PM | #113 | |
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Trump winning puts the USA's existence into limbo, he's doing so many things to fuck up the election that it will be meaningless in the future because no one will have any confidence it matters, and it probably won't. |
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08-17-2020, 03:38 PM | #114 |
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08-17-2020, 05:44 PM | #115 |
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08-17-2020, 05:44 PM | #116 | ||
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Well, proponents of presidential systems say that it's an advantage that voters vote for the head of government directly instead of the parliament electing them, because it adds more legitimacy. The fact that there is less party discipline often allows congresspeople to be more critical of their own party and a president from their party, allowing them to represent their district interests instead of the party's, whereas in a parliamentary system, backbenchers face harsh consequences for not toeing the party line. The separation of powers is also intended to allow the executive and legislative branches to act as checks on each other, whereas they are combined in the parliamentary system, with the prime minister and their cabinet being legislators in the house and deciding much of policy. In a presidential system, the president can sponsor policy and decide how to execute law, but even laws the president endorses and sponsors will have to pass through the legislature independently, with not much the president can do to influence it. Those are the common reasons proponents of presidential systems give for preferring them over a parliamentary system. I personally think either can work or become broken. Quote:
Though executive orders do not exist in Canada, Canadian prime ministers may issue "orders in council" which may allow them to enact legislation directly. This is very rare, however, and most orders in council are used just for political appointments and stuff like that. However, seeing as the prime minister is the leader of their party in the house and a member of the executive cabinet, if a prime minister supports a certain policy, he or she will face little resistance passing it through the House of Commons in the case of a majority government, as party discipline virtually guarantees that every member of the party will vote in favour of it. I suppose in the case of a minority government, the prime minister could face opposition from opposition parties, and if the vote on the bill is also a vote of confidence, the government will topple if the majority of legislators vote against the bill, and a new election will have to be called. So, I guess comparing the relative power of a president and a prime minister is actually somewhat more complex than I had initially suggested, without a clear answer as to which one has more than the other. |
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08-17-2020, 05:47 PM | #117 |
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08-17-2020, 05:55 PM | #119 |
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08-17-2020, 05:57 PM | #120 |
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