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[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

Even the majority of poor people in the world are living better now than they were in the past.

subjective, impossible to quantify, also its not permanent. climate migrations are gonna be crazy. automation looks to be disasterous and the rich are already consolidating their power so they can live in walled forts away from the unemployed masses.

global poverty is actually plummeting

lmao ok fukuyama cool cool no wonder you actually like hillary clinton

a lot of these liberal capitalist self-justifications rest on subjective quantification of what 'better' and 'good' are

[Trotskilicious]

besides the fact that all of this ignores the climate, as always with liberal self-congratulation.

i already mentioned climate migrations but the primary reasons lives are so "better" and "good" is through entertainment & convenience technology at the low low cost of literally destroying the planet & causing a mass extinction

liberals ignore this because they think the entrepreneurial adventure capitalists like elon musk will invent a thing to save us

[smashingjj]

i'm glad we have a small political party that focuses primarily on the climate. more people appartently think so, they went from 2 to 5 mp's.

[redbreegull]

I don't really see an argument that the world is worse now than in the past by any of those measures, and saying things are "impossible to quantify" without explaining why you think that when there is quantifiable data on some of this stuff available doesn't make sense to me. We know the size of the population, and we know roughly what portion of it is subjected to war, disease, poverty, illiteracy, etc.

If you were making the argument that things were much worse in the past than we even realize, I would buy that because there is likely a lot of lost or unrecorded data, but I don't buy that war and disease and crime were somehow over-reported in the past compared to now when we have pretty reliable means of figuring out roughly how likely you are as one person out of seven billion to be murdered or die of starvation.

In WWII, about 1% of the global population died. That's really actually not that large a number proportional to the population size when you consider how endemic war and disease were in the past.

[redbreegull]

Of course like I said we seem to be headed towards a huge collapse and we continue to increase our ability to actually destroy ourselves as a species, but the argument is essentially over quality of living now.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

i'm glad we have a small political party that focuses primarily on the climate. more people appartently think so, they went from 2 to 5 mp's.

i don't consider netherlands a place to take asylum because you're mostly already below sea level

right now the list is norway, sweden, denmark, scotland, ecuador, possibly argentina. depending on elections france & germany can jump right in there.

[Trotskilicious]

ultimately i want germany to stay sane and then hamburg here i come

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I don't really see an argument that the world is worse now than in the past by any of those measures, and saying things are "impossible to quantify" without explaining why you think that when there is quantifiable data on some of this stuff available doesn't make sense to me. We know the size of the population, and we know roughly what portion of it is subjected to war, disease, poverty, illiteracy, etc.

any time you use good/better you're making a subjective argument based on your bias of being a person of your era. compare/contrasting history is against studying history. its like pop history or some other useless discipline entirely.

If you were making the argument that things were much worse in the past than we even realize, I would buy that because there is likely a lot of lost or unrecorded data,

things were different then, i'm not using "worse" or "better"

but I don't buy that war and disease and crime were somehow over-reported in the past compared to now when we have pretty reliable means of figuring out roughly how likely you are as one person out of seven billion to be murdered or die of starvation.

do you have any idea about the history of written records and how short & limited & unreliable it is?

In WWII, about 1% of the global population died. That's really actually not that large a number proportional to the population size when you consider how endemic war and disease were in the past.

as far as i know war started getting bad in the 17th century (because of guns, actually) escalated in the 19th century and peaked with the world war era because of gunpowder, industrialization, mechinization & national drafts.

your basic medieval battle or siege was nothing compared to the trenches of the western front or Antietam or even Napoleonic battles.

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i don't consider netherlands a place to take asylum because you're mostly already below sea level

right now the list is norway, sweden, denmark, scotland, ecuador, possibly argentina. depending on elections france & germany can jump right in there.

yep, pretty much fucked anyway here.

i could go back to the place i used to live, if the shit hits the fan big time than that should be nice little coastal city.

norway may be the most beautiful country i've seen (when i also visited c33 in 2005...!). it is apparently also no 1 on the list of happiest countries in the world. go for it.

[redbreegull]

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[Trotskilicious]

oh yeah i forgot SWITZERLAND

right now i think nowhere is a good place to live & i only speak american, so we'll see

[smashingjj]

everyone speaks english here though

the moment you try talking dutch and people notice it they will answer in english. i know a couple of people that have lived here for years and years and still only talk english

norway is more or less the same

[smashingjj]

for instance, i know a guy from Croatia that moved here in the early nineties and speaks english with a big fat accent and lisp, instead of dutch with ditto characteristics

[Trotskilicious]

croatia is legit one of the most beautiful places in the damn world

just google dalmatia & set the minimum size to 1600x1200 and enjoy

yugoslavia as a region is underrated in the game, shout out to my serbian comrade, took

[smashingjj]

Yeah they used a lot of Croatian places for some specific areas in Westeros in Game of Thrones

[Trotskilicious]

i have this huge folder of 1600x1200 or above images of landscapes & cities & towns that i use as desktop wallpaper

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1...DlaTEFFZGQzTWM

theres A LOT of Norwegian fjords, swiss lakes & croatian coast in here

[Trotskilicious]

i personally want to go out and take pictures of texas like this, because i believe everything has its beauty. there's some hill country photos & some pics of the llano in there i think

i should probably just google big bend & marfa and stuff but its more exotic when its estonia

[smashingjj]

i see alesund! that's where c33 used to live and showed me around and stole my virginity

[Trotskilicious]

that place is like a fucking fairy tale

[smashingjj]

and some other places i've been, including a few that are within a 15 minute walk from my house

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

that place is like a fucking fairy tale

i have soms very fond memories from that holiday. me and a friend went for 12 days to oslo, bergen and Ålesund where we met Jørgen.

we met again when he was at our place nine years later

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

the moment you try talking dutch and people notice it they will answer in english.

this happened to me constantly when i went to amsterdam.
note that dutch is my first language.
it seriously pissed me off.

[cork_soaker]

fucking hell!

[smashingjj]

ahahah they might not have noticed that your dutch dialect was actually dutch though!

assuming you speak flemish

[smashingjj]

but honestly, in some parts in the city center everything's about tourists. i get spoken to in english there too. it brings the geert wilders in me out sometimes but i realize quickly it's a part of town i never really attend.

[Disco King]

Wrong thread

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

croatia is legit one of the most beautiful places in the damn world

just google dalmatia & set the minimum size to 1600x1200 and enjoy

yugoslavia as a region is underrated in the game, shout out to my serbian comrade, took

I had to hear about vojvodina vojvodina beautiful Vojvodina all the time when with avram. I want to forget Eastern Europe exists

[FoolofaTook]

1620
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AD 2017

Subject: Fulltoke's Farewell to Flower.

Yes indeed my phorian brethren today is the sad day on which I smoke my last gram of kushage. Tomorrow I move into a non smoking apartment. it shall be just rare vapes and rarer edibles for me from now on. one year of no sinsemilla in the heart of the green northwest. ach! My soul! My bleeding soul!

[FoolofaTook]

(but me throat rejoices)

[LaBelle]

Sounds bittersweet. Hope you adapt nicely to the new place.