Had these songs been released one at a time

[paranoid]

Do you think they'd be getting the praise they are now? Do you think your perception would change?

[Katy Lied]

I don't think any of these songs really fit in with the other TBK songs so it kind of bothers me that this album is considered "an album within an album". The songs have a good flow to them so I think if they were released one at a time, they wouldn't be as effective.

[RenewRevive]

the one song every three months (or whatever ) had absolutely zero shot at working. it was such a horribly bad idea that eventually even billy realized it.

[Trotskilicious]

you're basically setting yourself up to write some standalone gem every three months, with no context or consistency around it

tremendously bad idea. he'd be better off with making an EP every 4 months or w/e

[emilem]

how is this a bad idea? isn't this what songwriters did in the 60s? or still do to this day for that matter? in 1993 even billy could release a song a week and noone would complain.

[themadcaplaughs]

Teargarden by Kaleidyscope did not work one at a time because many of the songs ("Astral Planes," "Spangled") needed to be in the context of an album or EP to even sound like a complete song.

[paranoid]

Originally Posted by emilem

how is this a bad idea? isn't this what songwriters did in the 60s? or still do to this day for that matter? in 1993 even billy could release a song a week and noone would complain.

Depends on the song. Had it been mayonnaise, yes. Had it been sweet sweet, no.

But I'm wondering if people's perceptions of the current songs would change had they been released one at a time.

[paranoid]

Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

Teargarden by Kaleidyscope did not work one at a time because many of the songs ("Astral Planes," "Spangled") needed to be in the context of an album or EP to even sound like a complete song.

Maybe but a lot of those songs were just plain awful.

[emilem]

why wouldn't sweet sweet work? because it's short? you're getting a song a week, don't be needy.

[paranoid]

Originally Posted by emilem

why wouldn't sweet sweet work? because it's short? you're getting a song a week, don't be needy.

You're missing the point. As a stand alone track, it's weaker than/does not deliver as well as hummer or soma, or whatever. It works better as a short, sort of innocent moment on the album.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by emilem

how is this a bad idea? isn't this what songwriters did in the 60s? or still do to this day for that matter?

no they already had all the songs written and performed them live, the record companies just recorded and released singles

[emilem]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

no they already had all the songs written and performed them live, the record companies just recorded and released singles

what

[themadcaplaughs]

Maybe but a lot of those songs were just plain awful.

Not denying that. For my money, "Astral Planes" was the worst thing Billy ever attached his name to. I'm just saying their little bit of redeeming value comes from hearing it on the EP, where it at least made a little sense as an "album track." When I downloaded the song for free, I thought the song was actually just an intro or that my download cut off early.

[dean_r_koontz]

the teargarden songs was a step up in songwriting quality for billy since the absolute nadir that was american gothic and zeitgeist.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by emilem

what

you're thinking these guys worked on one song at a time by comparing it to TGBK and that's patently incorrect

For example, Buddy Holly recorded a shit ton of songs in Clovis all at once, i thought everyone knew this, christ. Just because they issued them all as singles doesn't mean they were working on them between the releases...

[MyOneAndOnly]

The thought of an album worth of context within which to put Astral Planes induces nausea.

There is an album worth of material. It's called TBK v1&2 and it's a mess.

I guarantee that with the possible exception of Owata and maybe Freak we won't hear any of those songs again live. The big difference with the album is that billy shaped the songs with the input of three other musicians. While TBK was billy arranging and recording everything by himself. Things didn't change until Nicole showed up and they started acting more like an actual band.

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

you're basically setting yourself up to write some standalone gem every three months, with no context or consistency around it

tremendously bad idea. he'd be better off with making an EP every 4 months or w/e

totally. according to billy though, this method allowed every song to have equal care and attention, rather than being "throwaway" album tracks. yeah, that worked well.

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

There is an album worth of material. It's called TBK v1&2 and it's a mess.

I guarantee that with the possible exception of Owata and maybe Freak we won't hear any of those songs again live.

they played Lightning Strikes and Song For a Son in December.

[Cowlishaw]

The idea of a 44 song album is still awesome. Billy's idea for a 44 song album... not so much.

[redbull]

no because one song at a time is a stupid fucking idea

[emilem]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

you're thinking these guys worked on one song at a time by comparing it to TGBK and that's patently incorrect

For example, Buddy Holly recorded a shit ton of songs in Clovis all at once, i thought everyone knew this, christ. Just because they issued them all as singles doesn't mean they were working on them between the releases...

jesus christ, you are such a cunt.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by redbull

no because one song at a time is a stupid fucking idea

No, it's a good idea. The songs themselves were fucking stupid.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by RenewRevive

totally. according to billy though, this method allowed every song to have equal care and attention, rather than being "throwaway" album tracks. yeah, that worked well.



they played Lightning Strikes and Song For a Son in December.

I said from now on.... They'll play hits and Oceania material.

If we are lucky we will never hear widow wake my mind or Astral planes again.