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12-22-2012, 08:46 PM | #61 |
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basically kids treated like shit are more likely to feel like shit and treat others like shit and grow up to continue these behaviors, how's that for a summary
even if they dont remember the first time they got treated like shit. because they will learn that the world treats you like shit (because in the formative years your caregivers ARE your whole world), and respond to everyone else as if they will also treat them badly. it's a survival strategy. |
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12-22-2012, 09:12 PM | #62 | |
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Obviously I'm not claiming abusing 1 year olds is OK if they don't feel pain - by all means, lock up everyone who does that. I'm just saying that (luckily for the victimized babies) they probably wouldn't be more traumatized than a dog or a cat would. |
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12-22-2012, 09:37 PM | #63 |
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have you ever seen a traumatized cat or dog
i mean by all means they are not people but if they could talk and had higher functioning brains you could certainly tell they are emotionally scarred...? |
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12-22-2012, 09:37 PM | #64 |
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uh...
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12-22-2012, 09:39 PM | #65 |
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I pretty much agree with you and but the idea that sexual abuse is somehow worse than any other kind is kinda a myth imo (having been a victim of sexual, physical, emotional, etc by various people)
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12-22-2012, 09:56 PM | #66 | |
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Humans develop a much more sophisticated sense of self, and that's one of the reasons why (non-physically damaging) sexual abuse even exists. We don't know when exactly we develop it, but still, it's really not unreasonable to just tell adults to keep their hands off kids. |
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12-22-2012, 10:06 PM | #67 | |
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In short, I agree with you, but I feel like I have to explain why or else I'm going to accused of saying it's not a big deal that rape happens. |
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12-22-2012, 10:09 PM | #68 |
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Believe me I understand victim blaming both from myself and others. Maybe I see it a little differently because all of mine were intermingled. But with interpersonal sexual abuse/rape (as in, not a stranger/acquaintance), it is the actual betrayal part of it that - to me - is worse than the actual acts or the stigma of the acts.
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12-22-2012, 10:12 PM | #69 |
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No, I know, sorry if I sounded condescending. I knew we were more or less on the same page, so I wasn't explaining it for your benefit. I was just trying to make sure I wouldn't be misunderstood by anyone else.
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12-22-2012, 10:27 PM | #70 |
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Oh, did you add in that last sentence a little after the other stuff? Sorry, I missed it. It's all good.
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12-23-2012, 10:03 AM | #71 | |
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basically i don't believe we are tabulae rasae when we are born but i can't imagine babies have a sense of what's happening to them when they're raped at age one, and if it doesn't hurt (which it probably does) they won't even know that it's wrong that being said, of cause it is wrong and pretty fucking disturbing too |
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12-23-2012, 10:25 AM | #72 | |
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If you want another example, I have one single memory of me trying to learn how to ride a bike, but that's all I remember. I can't remember the moment when I learned. I can't remember practicing at all. Likewise, when a person has certain types of amnesia, they usually know things even when they have no memories. They may not recognize their doctor, but they know what a doctor is. They may not remember they have a car, but they can still drive. I suppose you could still call those "memories", but they aren't what we are usually referring to when we say that we don't keep any memories from when we are babies. Last edited by Rairun : 12-23-2012 at 10:35 AM. |
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12-23-2012, 10:38 AM | #73 |
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but that's the kind of memory that i had in mind. something that is worked into your development. not sure if babies can do that with such abstract concepts as rape.
the point i tried to make about walking and language is that, under normal conditions (i.e. unless you have some kind of disability or are mowgli), everyone is able and WILL learn how to walk and talk. ability doesn't enter into it. the fact that you need external input isn't that important since, as you said, nurture is a part of "learning" anything. i think riding a bike is a different thing but in the end the boundaries are never quite clear. i just think, as you pointed out earlier, for rape to be understood as something other than just physical pain you need a concept of self, of personal rights, of the responsibility of people around you etc. |
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12-23-2012, 11:22 AM | #74 |
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according to my gf there has been research to this very topic. there is psychological damage for people that were raped at such an early age. if their parents never told them, at a certain age they often get unstable without knowing how.
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12-23-2012, 12:11 PM | #75 |
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really though rairun, dont you think its likely that troskicliosu has raped a baby
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12-23-2012, 12:12 PM | #76 |
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if this lost profphets guy wanted to keep things legal he could have gone out with a dude with a micropenis like jonathan monte of monte IT
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12-23-2012, 01:21 PM | #77 |
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12-23-2012, 05:48 PM | #78 |
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in my experience, women often start showing symptoms of PTSD "out of the blue" when they have kids, or when their kids become the age they were when they were or started getting abused *disclaimer - anecdotal
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12-23-2012, 07:11 PM | #79 |
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Often? How many women do you know who were sexually abused as 1 year old babies?
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12-23-2012, 07:58 PM | #80 |
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i've known a few because of being hospitalized in a PTSD program
and many more at any time in their childhood, i'm talking people who were mostly serially abused most of them, in my experience, have dissociative symptoms chronically but have delayed signs of PTSD until their 30s or 40s i dont claim to know exactly why but that's what i observed. i first was there at 22 years old and was the youngest, but i had abuse outside the home as a fledgling adult that i never really repressed at all, suppressed yes, but most of these woman have marriages, children, careers before it all falls apart. i never got to that point for whatever reason and i dont know for sure but i was abused starting at an early age, one i don't know but certainly by three or four |
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12-24-2012, 02:26 PM | #81 |
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Hmm, if he was incarcerated in an American prison, he'd at least get what he deserved whle in prison if you know what I mean.
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12-24-2012, 02:45 PM | #82 |
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No, please explain it to us. Pictures would also be helpful
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12-24-2012, 02:51 PM | #83 |
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i think expressing excitement over another person being prison raped should be grounds for a thorough psychological examination
heh but really great joke jesse miller i see what you're saying |
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12-24-2012, 02:52 PM | #84 |
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i think it's understandable to think but not really want
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12-24-2012, 04:30 PM | #85 | |
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But these guys ony get like 8 years in the joint, and thats fucked up. But then those eight years can be a living hell depending on the movement policies of the prison they are at, which makes it a little better. |
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12-24-2012, 05:09 PM | #86 |
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you are a terrible human being.
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12-24-2012, 05:50 PM | #87 |
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I am a terrible human being for believing that child molestors deserve to be beaten and extorted by other inmates while they are serving an insignificant sentance for permanently scarring a child?
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12-24-2012, 05:55 PM | #88 |
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awful thread wouldnt read again
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12-24-2012, 08:43 PM | #89 |
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12-24-2012, 09:10 PM | #90 |
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Wow if you think I'm terribe for that, then I don't want to know what you think about child molestors! :0
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