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11-13-2012, 05:50 PM | #211 |
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it's like how every generation of christians believe the return of jesus is imminent. guess what, your life and time on earth is just as meaningless as everyone else's
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11-13-2012, 05:53 PM | #212 |
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You think they would have learned by now that millennial movements are fucking stupid and pointless because they're got an incredibly poor record dating back 2000+ years.
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11-13-2012, 06:02 PM | #213 |
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Yep, it is still the most influential country on Earth. This may change, but certainly not for quite some time. Should this change, Obama will not have caused the American decline, though he is certainly not doing enough to stop it.
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11-13-2012, 07:58 PM | #214 |
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Bush's idea of diplomacy was bullying the US' friends and allies and straining ties going back centuries, so I still think Obama is quite different and this drives conservatives nuts. They hate the idea of a US president acting humbly, and not like a morally didactic vigilante cowboy, and make up lies like the "apology tour." Now I don't live outside the US, but my impression is that people abroad see Obama as having turned around what the US stands for worldwide since the disastrous Bush years. Is this untrue in your opinion, Morlock? Serious question. I've only been to a few places outside the US, a few in southern Europe and a few in Africa, but most people seem to really love Obama and think of the US in much more positive terms now that evil bullying war mongering George Bush is gone.
Also, I am not convinced by all this nationalist rhetoric about the decline of American influence being a bad thing. America has done good shit, but it has also done some stuff to totally fuck up the world, and I think a more multipolar balance of power will probably be a good thing. Powerful economic and political engines in India and Brazil will increase the quality of life for people in those regions over time, and give them more of a global voice. |
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11-13-2012, 08:08 PM | #215 | |
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So I generally agree with your post. Obama does represent the US much more effectively than Bush did. It's just that the policies beyond communication and representation are not very different from Bush's IMO. |
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11-13-2012, 08:19 PM | #216 | |
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11-13-2012, 08:20 PM | #217 |
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plus a big LOL at "socialist medicine".
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11-13-2012, 08:59 PM | #218 |
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some are. when i lived in louisiana some people were very like him, or how he presented himself (dumb, religious, self important). but most of us yes are definitely not like george w bush
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11-13-2012, 10:09 PM | #219 |
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wtf. how did this thread derail?
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11-14-2012, 12:56 AM | #220 |
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All Trots' fault. He quoted some shit Meangreensp must have posted elsewhere on the forums meant to show up his proclivity towards making really stupid comments in a context other than the one which was being debated in this thread. They were so laughably ignorant than none of us could resist responding.
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11-14-2012, 01:18 AM | #221 |
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Yeah, my impression is that we were all very optimistic about Obama changing the tone of the US conversation and especially the utterly shameful foreign policy. That's a big part of why I was so excited and motivated to vote for him the first time around. But while that did happen at least superficially, Obama for the most part has maintained a sort of center-right, even mildly hawkish foreign policy that in some ways does not differ too substantively from the Bush era. That's one of Obama's greatest weaknesses, I think - in his heart of hearts his inclination would indeed be to take more progressive foreign policy stances but he is actually too willing to work outside his personal instinct about things in order to appear diplomatically "centrist" to Americans even though such overtures are generally lost to the people he's trying to win over anyway. That's what's so damned frustrating - most of us still believe that Obama is basically "on our team" in theory and in his fundamental beliefs even though he often does not act in accordance due to various political pressures.
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11-14-2012, 02:08 AM | #222 | |
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Anyway, I normally tend to vote Democrat, but I can't support a party dumb enough to put a ill-prepared candidate like Obama because they knew they had a sure-fire winner based in his race in office who continues to be like Bush except for killing NASA and his socialist healthcare policies. And you guilty "white man's burden" Democrats voted him in. Obama did NOT have the resume for this job and the fact that it has taken him 4 years to do anything more than duct-tape and continue Bush's policies while implementing the wrong kind of healthcare reform proves this. I do go to NT, but I'm not a music major. Typical Ft. Worth-ite to think that the only thing at NT is music. Last edited by meangreensp : 11-14-2012 at 02:17 AM. |
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11-14-2012, 02:16 AM | #223 |
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i dont understand how anyone could vote mccain after he made palin the VP candidate. old man + ridiculously stupid and unprepared running mate... can you imagine palin as the prez?
how come it went from "he can't win, he's black" to "he won because he's black"? you can't have it both ways. i voted for him because of his platform. |
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11-14-2012, 02:18 AM | #224 |
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aaaw, sweetie... it's way past your bedtime, meangreensp
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11-14-2012, 02:19 AM | #225 |
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the rest of your post is just ridiculous, yeah a whole city where everyone has the same characteristics. what is wrong with you
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11-14-2012, 02:20 AM | #226 | |
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And I bet you live in Southlake, how cute. Fort Worth is the cesspool of Texas. Anyone who would willingly live in Fort Worth deserves no respect. |
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11-14-2012, 02:22 AM | #227 |
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so it turns out not only does meangreensp have stupid opinions on billy corgan, he is also a fucking ignorant piece of shit with no grasp on reality in other areas as well. how do you like that
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11-14-2012, 02:23 AM | #228 |
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And you're a judgmental internet tough guy, look at that. I'm not going to talk politics with a bunch of white man's burden liberal keyboard warriors on a Smashing Pumpkins website that has been ousted from its very own fan base for being chock full of imbeciles. I'll leave real political discussions for political debates, forums, etc.
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11-14-2012, 02:33 AM | #229 |
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just shut up.
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11-14-2012, 02:41 AM | #230 | |
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talk about judgmental - you just wrote off an entire city. and i don't live in texas or whatever you're accusing me off. why do you attribute attributes to entire cities, thousands of people in one sentence? that's ridiculous |
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11-14-2012, 02:41 AM | #231 | |
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11-14-2012, 02:41 AM | #232 | |
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11-14-2012, 02:43 AM | #233 |
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11-14-2012, 03:10 AM | #234 |
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11-14-2012, 03:49 AM | #235 |
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No shit, I only saw them 6 times in the 90's including the show on the SD tour when Billy got a shoe to the head and walked off stage.
So just because the band existed before 2000 means we shouldn't discuss their later work? I don't really get your comment at all. |
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11-14-2012, 10:51 AM | #236 | |
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11-14-2012, 11:11 AM | #237 |
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i don't know what you're discussing here, but this can't be correct.
population of texas: 25,674,681 (according to wikipedia) .002% of that = 513 for 70k to be less than .002%, the population of texas should be larger than 3,500,000,000. now if you're monty, you might think that's just about right... |
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11-14-2012, 11:52 AM | #238 |
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don't for they possibly confused .2% as .002%
like they confuse 99˘ as .99˘ |
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11-14-2012, 12:15 PM | #239 |
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even with .2%, that statement isn't correct.
70,000 isn't less than 51,349. |
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11-14-2012, 12:23 PM | #240 |
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70,000/25,674,681 = .00273, or about .273%
I bet reprise just used a different estimate for the population of Texas. Either way, a valid point. |
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