how many of you still believe..

Ihaguitar · 03-14-2010, 07:38 AM

..that Billy can still make an amazing album?

paranoid · 03-14-2010, 12:10 PM

he was still writing some incredible songs in the first half of the decade.. he just wasn't releasing them . I had held out hope that he would snap out of it and start making records that consisted of his best material.. but he duped me.

vanitycrieswhy · 03-14-2010, 12:16 PM

i actually liked the residency songs. listen to No Surrender regularly

Shallowed · 03-14-2010, 01:11 PM

No Surrender and Question Mark were the first of the residency songs to stand out to me. Later I started enjoying Peace and Love, the rest I've forgotten about.

Shallowed · 03-14-2010, 01:17 PM

I hate this foward thinking shit. Billy has written so much good stuff that he's left to gather dust, probably never to be picked up again. He seems so insistant on working on and releasing the most bollocksy shit he can concieve. It would be neat if he had a look at some of the older stuff he's done this decade, put it on a higher rotate on his repertoire, then come full circle and work on the stuff that he's currently doing.

arCHI · 03-17-2010, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta of Muppet

I hate this foward thinking shit. Billy has written so much good stuff that he's left to gather dust, probably never to be picked up again. He seems so insistant on working on and releasing the most bollocksy shit he can concieve. It would be neat if he had a look at some of the older stuff he's done this decade, put it on a higher rotate on his repertoire, then come full circle and work on the stuff that he's currently doing.

i sort of agree. i think billy can still write grood new music it just seems that his idea of 'modern music' or 'popular music' is really fucked up.

a lot of the residency songs were good. the bonus part of IAGW with the band playing acoustically was great. billy can write good songs, if anything it is his aesthetic that is lacking. he is trying too hard to make his music sound unique...

if billy recorded an album that was mostly acoustic it would probably be really good. he needs to accept the fact that he is not a rock god, or a trendsetter anymore and just write some good songs.

EyesOfAJackal · 03-31-2010, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arCHI

i sort of agree. i think billy can still write grood new music it just seems that his idea of 'modern music' or 'popular music' is really fucked up.

a lot of the residency songs were good. the bonus part of IAGW with the band playing acoustically was great. billy can write good songs, if anything it is his aesthetic that is lacking. he is trying too hard to make his music sound unique...

if billy recorded an album that was mostly acoustic it would probably be really good. he needs to accept the fact that he is not a rock god, or a trendsetter anymore and just write some good songs.

Yes. I think he's also gotten to the point where his issues are overpowering his music-making. In the past, I think his struggles gave him the ability to uniquely express really tortured and beautiful emotions, sonically and lyrically, and uniquely connect with audiences.

Now, it's getting to the point where his destructive relationships (critically with Jimmy) and insistence on being stubborn in concert and seemingly being completely opposed to crowd-pleasing are taking their toll (I know he's always had an element of this, it's just getting out of control now).

I just want Billy to stop trying so hard to be himself or whatever it is he is doing and just let it flow. I think he's still got some magic in him.

charade · 03-31-2010, 06:49 PM

yeah I`m a fan for so long that I really can`t remember where it starts...I`m just joking... but at least I`m a huge pumpkins fan for 15 fucking years.

corgan`s music made my life really worth living and for 9 years now it`s a reason beeing annoyed, sad and depressed the sam time. it`s like that I shall pay all the great music from one decade afterwards by suffer from his foremost shitty tunes of this decade. ...how loyal has a fan to be when nothing of his star is extant? now obviously this star gets sold on ebay.

it has taken its toll, because I don`t buy his albums since tfe. still I am so used to corgan and the pumpkins that I click on the homepage daily and that`s no fun...
because it starts with strawberry piss paintings...and the music sounds like the painting look...

though 4 songs are really good (not great) on tfe there are to many bad songs so why pay? maybe some day I will pay for the 4 mp3s, this would be fair.

chicaco songs. some songs made me almost cry. it`s a shame that he doesn`t come out with these and prefers these shitty residency songs. also some zwan-b-sites were quite good for the style of music.. so because zwan was intended to not be an alternative rock-band this was a good "indie" or maybe "folk-rock" band. in both cases he doesn`t release it and I must wonder why.

his participation on a scorpions song and also for jimmy`s solo-album was pure crap. even many songs of the zeitgeist aera are pure shit. so how can I enjoy the few good songs if he mix it up with shit? how can you enjoy some honey if you mix it with hmm maybe...piss... or sperm? ok maybe you guys like sperm, but I suppose you don`t and your girlfriends like it a lot better.
so physically spoken whats the result if you mix good songs with bad song...zero!? this would ironic, because "zero" was a good song! ;-)

everything after zeitgeist is really a disaster. in my opinion it´s a little wonder or kind of black magic how the quality of the songs could sink any further.

the "american gothic EP" (rose march as only more or less good song)
"glow"...a song that pretends by hard guitars it were a pumpkins-song but musically it`s really boring...
"superchrist" (only good because of the drums and this is due to jimmy! so the worst part in superchrist is then billy starts singing... )
"FOL" (together with "as rome burns" a song that goes a little more in the direction of the origin pumpkins sound but still these songs sound like corgan tryin to copy his own band.)

teargarden. this is were every pumpkinsfan must cry, so I don`t believe there will be any flowers in this teargarden.... maybe teargarden is a subtle message from corgan that he is too depressed to write good music anymore....

everytime I listen to teargarden-songs I can feel that they mirror corgan`s depressing life. there is something in this music that reflects a sick state of mind. so the negative energies come from him and he thinks our reaction were the negative energy but this ain`t true, it`s just true that some people react in a very insulting way to his new music that may be hurtful for him and others do their best to still protect him and want to be the last fan standing. so some people are way less "reactive"...

a zeitgeist-concert were quite a good concert if he would be more picky with the songs. "tarantula", "death from above", "stellar", "daydream" (vers. 2), "that`s the way" as acoustic version, "gosammer", maybe "doomsday clock" too and "neverlost".
and if he would sing it not in this stoic way and with more feeling and agression like in the 90ies I had kept my faith in this re-formed pumpkins.... I must admit the forementioned songs are not as great as machina but quite ok. a good starting point for a new picture.
but his stoic way of singing and unbelievable bad songs like "pomp & circumstance", "bring the light", "com on" (let´s go], "starz", "united states" make this album a disaster. I would kill everyone who likes these songs instantly for having such a bad taste in music!

I can`t protect corgan anymore. if he had made this music under a new bandname this would be ok. many old bands have new bands today and got still attention (..white strips, qotsa).

the zwan-album, then a solo-album, chicago songs, then a new band... so no need and pressure to reach the pumpkins-level but still the "chance" to reach it one day.
I guess for the third time we all had exused that his new songs can`t compete with the smashing pumpkins or even some new bands.

it had saved the old pumpkins catalog, had made it possible to suggest the whole smashing pumpkins to others. basically it has saved the myth of the almighty smashing pumpkins. after everyone has left exept the 12year-old drummer he should do the same. new bandname, new start. if a pc turns blue you can try to make a restart. but if he still crashes you should change your system. so no "pumpkins 2.0"! he could name his new band "teargarden". then he could release some stuff for people that are interested in his old pumpkins catalog. if there are people who really like his bluegrass folk hippy shit tunes then this is strange but ok to me. but we are forgotten by him for over 8 years now.
the re-union wasn`t a re-union, it even wasn`t smashing pumpkins. I feel betrayed. just a re-union tour with only the old songs (or some re-arrangements of old songs) had been much better.

and he should think about his old 90ies fans and new fans that like the pumpkins for their old songs. he should offer some of the old pumpkins-work in any form.

if it`s just about success he has no chance to be successful again with this teargarden-music. it`s not a direction he is talented for. he should made a real brutal album and then everyone who also liked mellon colllie would support again. this could easily be 8 million again. and if you think about all the things that went wrong an agressive music is the only form of emotion that would be able to heal corgan again and would seem more authentic than his eso-shit-chats.

I don`t understand this world. look, corgan is a funny, intelligent, handsome man, he deserves a really beautiful and nice girlfriend but it seems that no girl is really interested in him. isn`t there any nice girl for billy corgan among the pumpkins-fans either? why doesn`t he date some of them? today I`m so angry that I even can`t tolerate it that he makes music anymore.

he should stop it and should only come back if he can write good music again. in the mean time he can release some books, I would buy them all I would even donate for corgan but please no more shit-songs! please no more, it hurts! so don` fuck with us corgan, don`t dare!
I don`t like that you`re doing because I think you got no talent for the kind of music you try to create. it`s not that I want you to do what I want. I just beg, I just suggest.
it`s just that I think the new tunes are no good, so that`s why I can`t be happy with it and I won`t buy it in any form. I won`t buy and "I`m one of many more to come", for sure! because since I`ve started to listen to the pumpkins I KNOW what good music is. and I don`t let the mastermind behind the pumpkins destroy my favourite band and his own reputation. so don`t dare to write shit music again, corgan, don`t dare!

IWishIWasBlank · 04-02-2010, 11:14 PM

Lemme just say for the forum as a whole: TLDR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by charade

yeah I`m a fan for so long that I really can`t remember where it starts...I`m just joking... but at least I`m a huge pumpkins fan for 15 fucking years.

corgan`s music made my life really worth living and for 9 years now it`s a reason beeing annoyed, sad and depressed the sam time. it`s like that I shall pay all the great music from one decade afterwards by suffer from his foremost shitty tunes of this decade. ...how loyal has a fan to be when nothing of his star is extant? now obviously this star gets sold on ebay.

it has taken its toll, because I don`t buy his albums since tfe. still I am so used to corgan and the pumpkins that I click on the homepage daily and that`s no fun...
because it starts with strawberry piss paintings...and the music sounds like the painting look...

though 4 songs are really good (not great) on tfe there are to many bad songs so why pay? maybe some day I will pay for the 4 mp3s, this would be fair.

chicaco songs. some songs made me almost cry. it`s a shame that he doesn`t come out with these and prefers these shitty residency songs. also some zwan-b-sites were quite good for the style of music.. so because zwan was intended to not be an alternative rock-band this was a good "indie" or maybe "folk-rock" band. in both cases he doesn`t release it and I must wonder why.

his participation on a scorpions song and also for jimmy`s solo-album was pure crap. even many songs of the zeitgeist aera are pure shit. so how can I enjoy the few good songs if he mix it up with shit? how can you enjoy some honey if you mix it with hmm maybe...piss... or sperm? ok maybe you guys like sperm, but I suppose you don`t and your girlfriends like it a lot better.
so physically spoken whats the result if you mix good songs with bad song...zero!? this would ironic, because "zero" was a good song! ;-)

everything after zeitgeist is really a disaster. in my opinion it´s a little wonder or kind of black magic how the quality of the songs could sink any further.

the "american gothic EP" (rose march as only more or less good song)
"glow"...a song that pretends by hard guitars it were a pumpkins-song but musically it`s really boring...
"superchrist" (only good because of the drums and this is due to jimmy! so the worst part in superchrist is then billy starts singing... )
"FOL" (together with "as rome burns" a song that goes a little more in the direction of the origin pumpkins sound but still these songs sound like corgan tryin to copy his own band.)

teargarden. this is were every pumpkinsfan must cry, so I don`t believe there will be any flowers in this teargarden.... maybe teargarden is a subtle message from corgan that he is too depressed to write good music anymore....

everytime I listen to teargarden-songs I can feel that they mirror corgan`s depressing life. there is something in this music that reflects a sick state of mind. so the negative energies come from him and he thinks our reaction were the negative energy but this ain`t true, it`s just true that some people react in a very insulting way to his new music that may be hurtful for him and others do their best to still protect him and want to be the last fan standing. so some people are way less "reactive"...

a zeitgeist-concert were quite a good concert if he would be more picky with the songs. "tarantula", "death from above", "stellar", "daydream" (vers. 2), "that`s the way" as acoustic version, "gosammer", maybe "doomsday clock" too and "neverlost".
and if he would sing it not in this stoic way and with more feeling and agression like in the 90ies I had kept my faith in this re-formed pumpkins.... I must admit the forementioned songs are not as great as machina but quite ok. a good starting point for a new picture.
but his stoic way of singing and unbelievable bad songs like "pomp & circumstance", "bring the light", "com on" (let´s go], "starz", "united states" make this album a disaster. I would kill everyone who likes these songs instantly for having such a bad taste in music!

I can`t protect corgan anymore. if he had made this music under a new bandname this would be ok. many old bands have new bands today and got still attention (..white strips, qotsa).

the zwan-album, then a solo-album, chicago songs, then a new band... so no need and pressure to reach the pumpkins-level but still the "chance" to reach it one day.
I guess for the third time we all had exused that his new songs can`t compete with the smashing pumpkins or even some new bands.

it had saved the old pumpkins catalog, had made it possible to suggest the whole smashing pumpkins to others. basically it has saved the myth of the almighty smashing pumpkins. after everyone has left exept the 12year-old drummer he should do the same. new bandname, new start. if a pc turns blue you can try to make a restart. but if he still crashes you should change your system. so no "pumpkins 2.0"! he could name his new band "teargarden". then he could release some stuff for people that are interested in his old pumpkins catalog. if there are people who really like his bluegrass folk hippy shit tunes then this is strange but ok to me. but we are forgotten by him for over 8 years now.
the re-union wasn`t a re-union, it even wasn`t smashing pumpkins. I feel betrayed. just a re-union tour with only the old songs (or some re-arrangements of old songs) had been much better.

and he should think about his old 90ies fans and new fans that like the pumpkins for their old songs. he should offer some of the old pumpkins-work in any form.

if it`s just about success he has no chance to be successful again with this teargarden-music. it`s not a direction he is talented for. he should made a real brutal album and then everyone who also liked mellon colllie would support again. this could easily be 8 million again. and if you think about all the things that went wrong an agressive music is the only form of emotion that would be able to heal corgan again and would seem more authentic than his eso-shit-chats.

I don`t understand this world. look, corgan is a funny, intelligent, handsome man, he deserves a really beautiful and nice girlfriend but it seems that no girl is really interested in him. isn`t there any nice girl for billy corgan among the pumpkins-fans either? why doesn`t he date some of them? today I`m so angry that I even can`t tolerate it that he makes music anymore.

he should stop it and should only come back if he can write good music again. in the mean time he can release some books, I would buy them all I would even donate for corgan but please no more shit-songs! please no more, it hurts! so don` fuck with us corgan, don`t dare!
I don`t like that you`re doing because I think you got no talent for the kind of music you try to create. it`s not that I want you to do what I want. I just beg, I just suggest.
it`s just that I think the new tunes are no good, so that`s why I can`t be happy with it and I won`t buy it in any form. I won`t buy and "I`m one of many more to come", for sure! because since I`ve started to listen to the pumpkins I KNOW what good music is. and I don`t let the mastermind behind the pumpkins destroy my favourite band and his own reputation. so don`t dare to write shit music again, corgan, don`t dare!

Gish08 · 03-14-2010, 01:25 PM

"I lost faith with Zeitgeist" is closest to how I feel. The Zeitgeist album was pretty mediocre thanks to its super-shitty production values (an all-time low for Billy, which is frightening considering he's the same guy who crafted Siamese Dream, which is one of the best sounding albums I'll ever hear); that being said, the tour that followed was outstanding, all the way up to Jimmy leaving (or should I say, getting fired by an increasingly out of touch asshole). After Jimmy left, it's like Billy completely stopped caring. The gap in quality of his work up until Jimmy left (Superchrist, Gossamer, As Rome Burns) to what we have now (Widow Wake My Mind, misc. boring uninspired wannabe hippie shit) couldn't be any more obvious. As someone who has at times blindly defended Corgan's output in the past, I can't anymore; after Jimmy was fired it's like Billy put up a white flag. He doesn't care that he's now at best mediocre because he seems to know what's best for his "band".

TuralyonW3 · 03-14-2010, 04:22 PM

why the fuck is ihaguitar not muted. are there any sp board mods anymore?

Catherine Wheel · 03-14-2010, 04:42 PM

I think he's still capable of putting out good songs from time to time. GLOW and Stitch in Time are evidence of that. But an entire album of quality material? I really doubt it.

redbreegull · 03-14-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

I think he's still capable of putting out good songs from time to time. GLOW and Stitch in Time are evidence of that.

uhhh

I think songs like Zeitgeist and As Rome Burns might be evidence of this.

Catherine Wheel · 03-14-2010, 09:50 PM

What's wrong with GLOW and Stitch in Time?

Astur · 03-14-2010, 06:01 PM

He can certainly put out an amazing album. How about an old fashioned double CD of remastered outtakes and stop fucking around with horrible single half-assed mp3s.

28if · 03-14-2010, 06:59 PM

I definitely believe Billy has the capability to make another amazing album, but I just don't see it ever happening at this point.

i think we need an adore II.

Order 66 · 03-14-2010, 11:36 PM

depends on what you mean by 'amazing album' ... I think all albums of the past ten years were ok in what they set out to be, though I admit Mary star and zeirgeist pushed the mediocrity envelope a bit. TFE was supposed to me a mellow breakup record so in that respect it was pretty good

Teargarden seems like its going to be a sp/BC take on 70s folk rock. so if you can get past that I think it will turn out as his best post 2000 work. If you're expecting geek USA or jellybelly then you're going to complain about t on netphoria

waltermcphilp · 03-14-2010, 11:53 PM

He has a swan song left.

Ihaguitar · 03-17-2010, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltermcphilp

He has a swan song left.

I wish.

DiscoJon · 03-22-2010, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltermcphilp

He has a Zwan song left.

Fixed

pale_princess · 03-17-2010, 08:50 PM

i wish this is how i felt

Ihaguitar · 03-18-2010, 05:06 PM

The Zwan stuff done live before the album was released was great. Shame it never saw the studio or was butchered in it by Billy the Production Guru...

Cade McNown · 03-18-2010, 05:50 PM

I don't see what was so bad about Zeitgeist. It isn't as good as pre-2000 material, but against most music it's still a damn good album.

arCHI · 03-18-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cade McNown

I don't see what was so bad about Zeitgeist. It isn't as good as pre-2000 material, but against most music it's still a damn good album.

there were some decent songs on ZG (though some of the decent ones were butchered in the studio) but as an album it is pretty crappy.

it certainly isn't better than 'most music.' maybe most music you hear on a shitty radio station, but not most music in general. come on.

Cade McNown · 03-18-2010, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arCHI

there were some decent songs on ZG (though some of the decent ones were butchered in the studio) but as an album it is pretty crappy.

it certainly isn't better than 'most music.' maybe most music you hear on a shitty radio station, but not most music in general. come on.

If you have suggestions, I'd appreciate it, but I don't listen to shitty radio.

There are individual albums, but the only band I have listened to that's put out music consistantly better than Zeitgeist is Coheed and Cambria. Most of this board jizzes about Radiohead, and I just don't get it. In Rainbows was a pile of shit and Hail to the Thief was mediocre at best. Maybe it's because they compose themselves better that they get more blind following than SP, but they put out a lot better music before 2001.

And maybe I blindly follow SP, but I find myself longing for the days of MSOTS, TFE, and Zeitgeist over this new garbage (Teargarden and friends).

pale_princess · 03-18-2010, 07:18 PM

you must not have heard much other music since 2000.

Ugly · 03-18-2010, 11:16 PM

There will probably be an original members album/tour when they hit their 50s. Even the most fractured lineups are trotted out in their 50-60 year range as original member tours. That may be the one.

applepwnz · 03-18-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly

There will probably be an original members album/tour when they hit their 50s. Even the most fractured lineups are trotted out in their 50-60 year range as original member tours. That may be the one.

Frankly that's the 1 main thing I'm hoping for, as long as D'arcy doesn't kill herself with drugs, I could totally see this happening

IWishIWasBlank · 03-21-2010, 09:34 AM

I've lost faith.

FATHER FORGIVE ME!

Catherine Wheel · 03-21-2010, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Hail to the Thief was mediocre at best.

WTF

View Poll Results: can Billy still make a great album?
I still believe	32	32.99%
I am losing faith	28	28.87%
I lost faith with Zeitgeist	20	20.62%
He lost it years ago	17	17.53%
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03-14-2010, 07:38 AM	#1
Ihaguitar Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,359	how many of you still believe.. ..that Billy can still make an amazing album?

03-14-2010, 12:10 PM	#2
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,521	he was still writing some incredible songs in the first half of the decade.. he just wasn't releasing them . I had held out hope that he would snap out of it and start making records that consisted of his best material.. but he duped me.

03-14-2010, 12:16 PM	#3
vanitycrieswhy Oblivious Virgin Posts: 31	i actually liked the residency songs. listen to No Surrender regularly

03-14-2010, 01:11 PM	#4
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 18,608	No Surrender and Question Mark were the first of the residency songs to stand out to me. Later I started enjoying Peace and Love, the rest I've forgotten about.

03-14-2010, 01:17 PM	#5
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 18,608	I hate this foward thinking shit. Billy has written so much good stuff that he's left to gather dust, probably never to be picked up again. He seems so insistant on working on and releasing the most bollocksy shit he can concieve. It would be neat if he had a look at some of the older stuff he's done this decade, put it on a higher rotate on his repertoire, then come full circle and work on the stuff that he's currently doing.

03-31-2010, 06:49 PM	#8
charade Pledge Posts: 57	yeah I`m a fan for so long that I really can`t remember where it starts...I`m just joking... but at least I`m a huge pumpkins fan for 15 fucking years. corgan`s music made my life really worth living and for 9 years now it`s a reason beeing annoyed, sad and depressed the sam time. it`s like that I shall pay all the great music from one decade afterwards by suffer from his foremost shitty tunes of this decade. ...how loyal has a fan to be when nothing of his star is extant? now obviously this star gets sold on ebay. it has taken its toll, because I don`t buy his albums since tfe. still I am so used to corgan and the pumpkins that I click on the homepage daily and that`s no fun... because it starts with strawberry piss paintings...and the music sounds like the painting look... though 4 songs are really good (not great) on tfe there are to many bad songs so why pay? maybe some day I will pay for the 4 mp3s, this would be fair. chicaco songs. some songs made me almost cry. it`s a shame that he doesn`t come out with these and prefers these shitty residency songs. also some zwan-b-sites were quite good for the style of music.. so because zwan was intended to not be an alternative rock-band this was a good "indie" or maybe "folk-rock" band. in both cases he doesn`t release it and I must wonder why. his participation on a scorpions song and also for jimmy`s solo-album was pure crap. even many songs of the zeitgeist aera are pure shit. so how can I enjoy the few good songs if he mix it up with shit? how can you enjoy some honey if you mix it with hmm maybe...piss... or sperm? ok maybe you guys like sperm, but I suppose you don`t and your girlfriends like it a lot better. so physically spoken whats the result if you mix good songs with bad song...zero!? this would ironic, because "zero" was a good song! ;-) everything after zeitgeist is really a disaster. in my opinion it´s a little wonder or kind of black magic how the quality of the songs could sink any further. the "american gothic EP" (rose march as only more or less good song) "glow"...a song that pretends by hard guitars it were a pumpkins-song but musically it`s really boring... "superchrist" (only good because of the drums and this is due to jimmy! so the worst part in superchrist is then billy starts singing... ) "FOL" (together with "as rome burns" a song that goes a little more in the direction of the origin pumpkins sound but still these songs sound like corgan tryin to copy his own band.) teargarden. this is were every pumpkinsfan must cry, so I don`t believe there will be any flowers in this teargarden.... maybe teargarden is a subtle message from corgan that he is too depressed to write good music anymore.... everytime I listen to teargarden-songs I can feel that they mirror corgan`s depressing life. there is something in this music that reflects a sick state of mind. so the negative energies come from him and he thinks our reaction were the negative energy but this ain`t true, it`s just true that some people react in a very insulting way to his new music that may be hurtful for him and others do their best to still protect him and want to be the last fan standing. so some people are way less "reactive"... a zeitgeist-concert were quite a good concert if he would be more picky with the songs. "tarantula", "death from above", "stellar", "daydream" (vers. 2), "that`s the way" as acoustic version, "gosammer", maybe "doomsday clock" too and "neverlost". and if he would sing it not in this stoic way and with more feeling and agression like in the 90ies I had kept my faith in this re-formed pumpkins.... I must admit the forementioned songs are not as great as machina but quite ok. a good starting point for a new picture. but his stoic way of singing and unbelievable bad songs like "pomp & circumstance", "bring the light", "com on" (let´s go], "starz", "united states" make this album a disaster. I would kill everyone who likes these songs instantly for having such a bad taste in music! I can`t protect corgan anymore. if he had made this music under a new bandname this would be ok. many old bands have new bands today and got still attention (..white strips, qotsa). the zwan-album, then a solo-album, chicago songs, then a new band... so no need and pressure to reach the pumpkins-level but still the "chance" to reach it one day. I guess for the third time we all had exused that his new songs can`t compete with the smashing pumpkins or even some new bands. it had saved the old pumpkins catalog, had made it possible to suggest the whole smashing pumpkins to others. basically it has saved the myth of the almighty smashing pumpkins. after everyone has left exept the 12year-old drummer he should do the same. new bandname, new start. if a pc turns blue you can try to make a restart. but if he still crashes you should change your system. so no "pumpkins 2.0"! he could name his new band "teargarden". then he could release some stuff for people that are interested in his old pumpkins catalog. if there are people who really like his bluegrass folk hippy shit tunes then this is strange but ok to me. but we are forgotten by him for over 8 years now. the re-union wasn`t a re-union, it even wasn`t smashing pumpkins. I feel betrayed. just a re-union tour with only the old songs (or some re-arrangements of old songs) had been much better. and he should think about his old 90ies fans and new fans that like the pumpkins for their old songs. he should offer some of the old pumpkins-work in any form. if it`s just about success he has no chance to be successful again with this teargarden-music. it`s not a direction he is talented for. he should made a real brutal album and then everyone who also liked mellon colllie would support again. this could easily be 8 million again. and if you think about all the things that went wrong an agressive music is the only form of emotion that would be able to heal corgan again and would seem more authentic than his eso-shit-chats. I don`t understand this world. look, corgan is a funny, intelligent, handsome man, he deserves a really beautiful and nice girlfriend but it seems that no girl is really interested in him. isn`t there any nice girl for billy corgan among the pumpkins-fans either? why doesn`t he date some of them? today I`m so angry that I even can`t tolerate it that he makes music anymore. he should stop it and should only come back if he can write good music again. in the mean time he can release some books, I would buy them all I would even donate for corgan but please no more shit-songs! please no more, it hurts! so don` fuck with us corgan, don`t dare! I don`t like that you`re doing because I think you got no talent for the kind of music you try to create. it`s not that I want you to do what I want. I just beg, I just suggest. it`s just that I think the new tunes are no good, so that`s why I can`t be happy with it and I won`t buy it in any form. I won`t buy and "I`m one of many more to come", for sure! because since I`ve started to listen to the pumpkins I KNOW what good music is. and I don`t let the mastermind behind the pumpkins destroy my favourite band and his own reputation. so don`t dare to write shit music again, corgan, don`t dare!

03-14-2010, 01:25 PM	#10
Gish08 Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,559	"I lost faith with Zeitgeist" is closest to how I feel. The Zeitgeist album was pretty mediocre thanks to its super-shitty production values (an all-time low for Billy, which is frightening considering he's the same guy who crafted Siamese Dream, which is one of the best sounding albums I'll ever hear); that being said, the tour that followed was outstanding, all the way up to Jimmy leaving (or should I say, getting fired by an increasingly out of touch asshole). After Jimmy left, it's like Billy completely stopped caring. The gap in quality of his work up until Jimmy left (Superchrist, Gossamer, As Rome Burns) to what we have now (Widow Wake My Mind, misc. boring uninspired wannabe hippie shit) couldn't be any more obvious. As someone who has at times blindly defended Corgan's output in the past, I can't anymore; after Jimmy was fired it's like Billy put up a white flag. He doesn't care that he's now at best mediocre because he seems to know what's best for his "band".

03-14-2010, 04:22 PM	#11
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,684	why the fuck is ihaguitar not muted. are there any sp board mods anymore?

03-14-2010, 04:42 PM	#12
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	I think he's still capable of putting out good songs from time to time. GLOW and Stitch in Time are evidence of that. But an entire album of quality material? I really doubt it.

03-14-2010, 09:50 PM	#14
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	What's wrong with GLOW and Stitch in Time?

03-14-2010, 06:01 PM	#15
Astur Apocalyptic Poster Location: Asturias Posts: 1,104	He can certainly put out an amazing album. How about an old fashioned double CD of remastered outtakes and stop fucking around with horrible single half-assed mp3s.

03-14-2010, 06:59 PM	#16
28if Apocalyptic Poster Location: yeah seriously i think we've more than established a consensus on reality, it's not that abstract. Posts: 3,454	I definitely believe Billy has the capability to make another amazing album, but I just don't see it ever happening at this point. i think we need an adore II.

03-14-2010, 11:36 PM	#17
Order 66 Socialphobic Posts: 11,831	depends on what you mean by 'amazing album' ... I think all albums of the past ten years were ok in what they set out to be, though I admit Mary star and zeirgeist pushed the mediocrity envelope a bit. TFE was supposed to me a mellow breakup record so in that respect it was pretty good Teargarden seems like its going to be a sp/BC take on 70s folk rock. so if you can get past that I think it will turn out as his best post 2000 work. If you're expecting geek USA or jellybelly then you're going to complain about t on netphoria

03-14-2010, 11:53 PM	#18
waltermcphilp Socialphobic Location: I DO C-C-C-COCAINE Posts: 11,137	He has a swan song left.

03-17-2010, 08:50 PM	#21
pale_princess spanish harlem mona lisa Location: the barrio Posts: 10,081	i wish this is how i felt

03-18-2010, 05:06 PM	#22
Ihaguitar Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,359	The Zwan stuff done live before the album was released was great. Shame it never saw the studio or was butchered in it by Billy the Production Guru...

03-18-2010, 05:50 PM	#23
Cade McNown Pledge Posts: 200	I don't see what was so bad about Zeitgeist. It isn't as good as pre-2000 material, but against most music it's still a damn good album.

03-18-2010, 07:18 PM	#26
pale_princess spanish harlem mona lisa Location: the barrio Posts: 10,081	you must not have heard much other music since 2000.

03-18-2010, 11:16 PM	#27
Ugly Immortal Location: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed Posts: 21,248	There will probably be an original members album/tour when they hit their 50s. Even the most fractured lineups are trotted out in their 50-60 year range as original member tours. That may be the one.

03-21-2010, 09:34 AM	#29
IWishIWasBlank Apocalyptic Poster Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,404	I've lost faith. FATHER FORGIVE ME!