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View Poll Results: Which song is your LEAST favorite?
To Sheila 2 2.90%
Perfect 2 2.90%
Daphne Descends 1 1.45%
Tear 2 2.90%
Crestfallen 3 4.35%
Pug 1 1.45%
Annie-Dog 9 13.04%
Shame 2 2.90%
Behold! The Nightmare 1 1.45%
For Martha 3 4.35%
Blank Page 2 2.90%
17 41 59.42%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:31 PM   #1
xezton
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Default Adore Survivor I

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YOU ASKED FOR IT.

VOTE FOR THE ONE YOU LIKE THE LEAST.

JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER SHITTY POLLS.

So this is just for the U.S. album tracks. There are 16.

There are only 12 poll slots, however.

To make this fair, rather than just putting up the 12 I think are the least popular and subbing in more popular ones, I'm going to RANDOMLY shuffle all 16 tracks, and just use the first 12. As songs are voted off, the next song in the list will replace it.

I'm using this to get my random sequence of tracks: http://www.random.org/sequences/

So here goes.

The sequence I've randomly generated is going to go in this order:

Perfect
Behold! The Night Mare
Shame
Tear
Pug
Blank Page
Annie-Dog
Crestfallen
To Sheila
Daphne Descends
17
For Martha
-------------------------------------------- 12 track cutoff
The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete
Once Upon a Time
Appels + Oranjes
Ava Adore



Oh and kill me now for being a hypocrite. People have asked for the Adore Survivor thing for a while. And it's been 5 years since the last one, right?




Starting with a full-week poll limit. Will reduce from there.

Last edited by xezton : 10-24-2007 at 05:11 PM.

 
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:39 PM   #2
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heres a random sequence from 1 - 10000 just incase u needed it

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I had never heard of this album before, so I googled it up. I thought this could help some of you. Cheers

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Adore
Adore cover
Studio album by The Smashing Pumpkins
Released June 2, 1998
Recorded December 1997 – March 1998 at Sound City in Van Nuys, California
Genre Alternative rock
Length 72:51
Label Virgin
Producer Billy Corgan, Brad Wood, Flood
Professional reviews

* All Music Guide 3.5/5 stars link
* Entertainment Weekly (B+) link
* Pitchfork Media (8.1/10) link
* Rolling Stone 3.5/5 stars link

The Smashing Pumpkins chronology
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
(1995) Adore
(1998) Machina/The Machines of God
(2000)
Alternate cover
U.S. vinyl edition
U.S. vinyl edition
Singles from Adore

1. "Ava Adore"
Released: May 18, 1998
2. "Perfect"
Released: September 7, 1998

Adore is the fourth studio album from Chicago alternative rock band The Smashing Pumpkins. Virgin Records released the album on June 2, 1998 in the United States. Adore is the Pumpkins' only album not to feature original drummer Jimmy Chamberlin. Adore marked a change in sound for The Smashing Pumpkins; Greg Kot of Rolling Stone magazine noted that the album "isn't just a transitional record; it's a complete break with the past."[1] Their previously layered, guitar-oriented sound was largely replaced by a quieter and more electronic influenced sound, and incorporated drum machines and synthesizers. For the release, the band shed their alternative hipster image for a more subdued Gothic look.

Despite being "one of the most anticipated albums of 1998,"[2] Adore was a commercial disappointment and sold only 1.1 million copies in the U.S., far below the Pumpkins' previous albums Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. However, the album was well received by critics, and received a nomination for Best Alternative Music Performance at the 1999 Grammy Awards.[3]
Contents

* 1 Background
* 2 Recording
o 2.1 Music
* 3 Promotion and release
* 4 An Evening with The Smashing Pumpkins
* 5 Reception and aftermath
* 6 Artwork
* 7 Track listing
o 7.1 Japanese bonus track
* 8 Outtakes
* 9 Personnel
* 10 Chart positions
o 10.1 Album
o 10.2 Singles
* 11 References

[edit] Background

In January 1996 The Smashing Pumpkins released "1979", the band's only number one single on any chart[4] and their first foray into electronic music. The song marked a departure from the typically guitar-oriented alternative rock sound of Gish and Siamese Dream. Meanwhile, the band gave interviews stating that Mellon Collie would be the last conventional Pumpkins record,[5] and James Iha later remarked that "The future is in electronic music. It really seems boring just to play rock music."[6]

Unexpectedly, the band fired drummer Jimmy Chamberlin.[7] While on tour in support of Mellon Collie, Chamberlin and touring keyboardist Jonathan Melvoin shot heroin together on July 11.[7] Melvoin died of an overdose, and Chamberlin was arrested and charged for possession.[7] The band said in a statement days later that "we have decided to carry on without him, and we wish him the best that we have to offer."[7]

A year later, the Pumpkins released "The End is the Beginning is the End", a single for the Batman and Robin soundtrack, and "Eye", a single for the Lost Highway soundtrack. Both songs incorporated electronic elements, yet retained the hard rock elements of the band's previous material; one reviewer called the two singles "balls-out, full-energy chargers" and wrote off the Pumpkins' previous remarks that the upcoming album would "rock" less.[8] Following the release of the single, The Smashing Pumpkins began to record the follow-up to Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness; one of the best-selling albums of the 1990s.[9]

[edit] Recording

In August 1997, the remaining band members entered Chicago Trax Recording and Hinge in Chicago, with temporary replacement drummer Matt Walker and producer Brad Wood —with whom Corgan previously had worked in the early 1990s.[10] Unhappy with the sessions, Corgan scrapped the tapes, and relocated to Los Angeles. He felt Wood was unsuitable for the role, and later remarked that the producer "needs to work with someone like Liz Phair, whom he can mold, and I'm not the kind of person you can mold."[11] Wood was not asked to rejoin the Pumpkins in L.A., and previous producer Flood was brought in to serve as engineer and advisor on the album.

Before the move to L.A., the band had made a number of live appearances, during which several new tracks were debuted. The shows *******d Neil Young's Bridge School Benefit,[12][13] a surprise gig opening for Jane's Addiction[14] and two shows opening for The Rolling Stones.[15] Attendees were treated to several new songs, including "Ava Adore", "Behold! The Night Mare" and "To Sheila". The second date with The Stones was to be the final show with Matt Walker, as he left the band to pursue a career with The Cupcakes.[16][17]

In December 1997, recording began at Sound City in Van Nuys, California, with ex-Soundgarden drummer Matt Cameron,[18] while Beck drummer Joey Waronker was called in to contribute drum tracks.[19] Sessions were wrapped up early in 1998. By post production, thirty songs were being considered for inclusion on the album, and at one point, it looked to be set to be a double album.[20] Of those, only 16 made the final cut.

[edit] Music

Adore is different in approach and style from previous Pumpkins albums. Distorted guitars are rarely present on the album, only appearing dominantly in the guitar solo for "For Martha"[1] and "Ava Adore". Corgan explained the new sound by remarking that he was not "talking to teenagers anymore. I'm talking to everyone now. It's a wider dialogue. I'm talking to people who are older than me and younger than me, and our generation as well."[11]
Music samples:

"Ava Adore"

Sample of "Ava Adore", the first single from Adore (1998), which emphasizes the band's new electronic music-based sound via the use of drum machines and effects.
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Piano is present in most songs, particularly "Annie Dog", "For Martha", "Blank Page" and "Crestfallen".[1] The track "Appels + Oranjes" is completely synthesized—performed entirely on electronic instruments apart from Corgan's vocals. The track "Tear" was a song that was left off the Lost Highway soundtrack in favour of the electronic song "Eye". The unreleased song "Blissed and Gone" is represented only by a brief piano instrumental titled "17".[21]

Apart from being the first album without Jimmy Chamberlin, Adore was the first album to not ******* writing contributions from Iha.[22] Iha was at the time writing for his solo album Let It Come Down. However, he did contribute the track "Summer", which was released as a b-side to the single "Perfect". Critic Greg Kot noted that "Iha's quirky guitar accents and Wretzky's unflashy resolve [. . .] give Adore a warmth and camaraderie no other Pumpkins album can match."[23]

[edit] Promotion and release
A promotional photo of The Smashing Pumpkins circa 1998, showing a more Gothic-influenced look than before. Left to right: Iha, Wretzky, and Corgan.
A promotional photo of The Smashing Pumpkins circa 1998, showing a more Gothic-influenced look than before. Left to right: Iha, Wretzky, and Corgan.

The year prior to the album's release was marked by confusing and conflicting statements made by the band and its management in promotion of the album. Amid the release of the heavy-metal-guitar-and-electronica-driven "The End is the Beginning is the End" in summer 1997, Corgan remarked that the sound is "probably like what you would expect from us in the future."[24] A few months later, the band's management said the album would be all-acoustic.[25] Later that month, Corgan nuanced that assessment, calling the album "electric folk."[26] In January 1998, Corgan described the new album as "arcane night music."[27] Corgan later clarified:
“ The people that say it's acoustic will be wrong. The people that say it's electronic will be wrong. The people that say it's a Pumpkins' record will be wrong. I will try to make something that is indescribable.[28] ”

In early 1998, Corgan debuted ten new songs in a short set at Johnny Depp's Viper Room in L.A.;[29] only two, "Blissed and Gone" and "Let Me Give the World to You", were not released in some form on the final album. Iha played a short set of songs from his new solo album, Let It Come Down.

The band headed to London to film a video for the album's first single "Ava Adore". Their highest budgeted video yet, "Ava Adore" featured a large cast of extras and was filmed in one continuous shot. The three Pumpkins showed off a new image adopted for the new album—an almost Gothic look, featuring elegant robes and make-up. While in Europe, The Smashing Pumpkins began their tour for Adore, just before its release, performing on BBC's Later with Jools Holland.[30]

Adore was released to most of the world on June 1, 1998 and in the U.S. on June 2. Some radio stations even aired the album in its entirety the night before. As was becoming increasingly common with larger bands, the album was leaked on the Internet some weeks before the release. The video for "Perfect" was shot in Los Angeles in July of 1998.[31] Ultimately, "Perfect" was not quite as strong as the lead single, "Ava Adore", and the success of the album lagged. Corgan would later attribute the album's commercial failure to the confused promotion.[32]

[edit] An Evening with The Smashing Pumpkins

The Pumpkins embarked on the tour An Evening with The Smashing Pumpkins in support of Adore. Starting in Europe and eventually making their way around most of the world,[33] The Pumpkins played at what had been called an "eclectic mix of interesting venues",[34] among them the rooftop of a FNAC record store in Paris, France,[35] at the Cannes Film Festival,[36] and at an International Shipping Harbor in Sydney, Australia.[37]

In America, the Pumpkins did not perform at unconventional venues as they had done on the European and Pacific legs of their tour. However, for the American tour, the Pumpkins donated 100% of the ticket proceeds to charity. In every city they performed, with the exception of Minneapolis, the only free U.S. date of the tour,[38] the Pumpkins would pick a local charity and designate it as the recipient of the night's concert. In the end, the Pumpkins, with the help of their fans, raised over $2.8 million for charity.[39]
The Smashing Pumpkins performing "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" live in 1998.
The Smashing Pumpkins performing "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" live in 1998.

Kenny Aronoff, drummer for high profile acts like John Mellencamp and Melissa Etheridge, agreed to join the Pumpkins for their upcoming tour after Matt Walker's departure.[40] More musicians were announced to be joining the Pumpkins on tour, including violinist Lisa Germano,[41] percussionists Dan Morris and Stephen Hodges, and pianist Mike Garson.[42]

The new song set was made up mainly of Adore songs. Although some Adore songs were played every night or almost every night, others were played sparingly or never at all. No songs prior to Mellon Collie were performed, which eliminated some of the band's biggest hits including "Today" and "Disarm". Several songs from Mellon Collie, such as "1979", "Tonight, Tonight", "Bullet with Butterfly Wings", and "Thru the Eyes of Ruby", served as reminders of the band's earlier material.[43]

[edit] Reception and aftermath

Public reception to Adore was lukewarm.[44] Adore entered the U.S. charts at #2 with 174,000 units of the album sold.[45] After eight weeks, it dropped out of the Billboard Top 40. Promotion for Adore finished by the end of 1998, a particularly short run for an album when considering the 2 year touring and promotion schedule for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. It finished with merely two singles—a third, "Crestfallen", was released to radio stations but never released as a commercial single.[11] Billy Corgan would later remark that he "tried to take a progressive step with Adore and internally didn't get the support [he] needed."[46] He would also attribute the album's lack of success to himself, saying that he "made the mistake of telling people it was a techno record" and that if he "would have told everyone Adore was the Pumpkins' acoustic album we would have never had the problems that we had."[32]

In comparison, critical reception was generally positive. Greg Kot of Rolling Stone magazine regarded Adore as "the most intimate album the Pumpkins have ever made and also the prettiest, a parade of swooning melodies and gentle, unfolding nocturnes."[1] Ryan Schreiber of Pitchfork Media described the album as "the Pumpkins' best offering since Siamese Dream."[8] Stephen Thomas Erlewine of All Music Guide described Adore as "a hushed, elegiac album that sounds curiously out of time," though he noted that the album "ultimately isn't a brave step forward."[47] Most recently, Adore was considered one of "an inspiring range of 25 classic alternative American albums" by The Guardian.[48]

Adore's lyrics are generally seen as an improvement over the lyrics in previous Smashing Pumpkins albums. Jim DeRogatis of the Chicago Sun-Times, who in 1993 had criticized Corgan's lyrics as "too often sound[ing] like sophomoric poetry,"[49] said when reviewing the album, "Either the music on Adore is strong enough to outweigh the lyrics [. . .] and typically whiny singing, or those lyrics and singing have gotten better. Probably a little of both."[50] Later in 2000, DeRogatis told Corgan in an interview, "It's my contention that with Adore and [follow-up album] MACHINA, you took a big leap forward as a lyricist."[51] Ryan Schreiber of Pitchfork Media, who criticized Mellon Collie as "lyrical rock-bottom,"[52] called Adore's lyrics "poetic," particularly singling out "To Sheila".[8] Greg Kot of Rolling Stone said that the "lyrical imagery is packed with oblique, private longings and weighty, sometimes awkward conceits."[1] David Browne of Entertainment Weekly called the lyrics "unsettled and unsettling."[53]

In terms of commercialism, Adore was not a success, especially when compared to the Pumpkins' previous albums Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Despite this, Adore still remains a staple of The Smashing Pumpkins' catalogue. Songs from the album were still performed in subsequent tours for Machina/The Machines of God with Jimmy Chamberlin who rejoined the band in November 1998.[54] As of May 2005, Adore has sold 1.1 million units in the U.S., but has sold at least three times as many copies worldwide.[23] Adore was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America in July 1998.[55]

[edit] Artwork
"Crestfallen" promotional single cover.
"Crestfallen" promotional single cover.

Art direction for the album is credited to Frank Olinsky, Billy Corgan, and Corgan's then-girlfriend and frequent collaborator Yelena Yemchuck.[22] The photography for the album and singles was shot by Yelena Yemchuck.[22] The cover of the album, and subsequent singles and radio promo singles all feature a woman in black and white. The vinyl release features a slightly different cover than the CD cover: a different photo of the model, more color and the absence of the album title (although some versions of the cover do show the title). In color, it is evident that the model is seated in a giant hibiscus flower, something not as apparent on the CD cover. This alternate album cover is similar to the artwork for the "Daphne Descends" promotional single.

The artwork in the album booklet contains several photographs of the band, as well as a pictures of a goat, buildings (actually from the same Poland photo session that was used for The Aeroplane Flies High box-set booklet artwork), a lone tree, and someone in a window. The band members photos ******* a shot of them on a grassy hill beneath a bare tree, and a close-up of Corgan, while a photo of D'arcy wearing a sheer blouse reveals her breasts. All of the photos in the booklet are black and white, sometimes placed against a purple background.[22]

[edit] Track listing

All songs written by Billy Corgan.

1. "To Sheila" – 4:40
2. "Ava Adore" – 4:20 Audio sample (help·info)
3. "Perfect" – 3:23
4. "Daphne Descends" – 4:38
5. "Once Upon a Time" – 4:06
6. "Tear" – 5:52
7. "Crestfallen" – 4:09
8. "Appels + Oranjes" – 3:34
9. "Pug" – 4:46
10. "The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete" – 4:33
11. "Annie-Dog" – 3:36
12. "Shame" – 6:37
13. "Behold! The Night Mare" – 5:12
14. "For Martha" – 8:17
15. "Blank Page" – 4:51
16. "17" – 0:17

[edit] Japanese bonus track

Exclusively in Japan, one bonus track, "Once in a While", was inserted as track 16, making "17" the seventeenth track.

16. "Once in a While" – 3:33

[edit] Outtakes

The following songs are those that were written and recorded for Adore but did not make the final cut, were not complete or did not get past the demo stage.

* "48 Chords": the working title for an instrumental piece in which the chord sequence did not uniquely repeat until 48 successive chords were played. The song has never been released in any form, including bootlegging, but was mentioned in one of Corgan's blog entries.[56]
* "Because You Are" released in 2001, on Judas 0.[57]
* "Blissed and Gone": released in 2000, on the Still Becoming Apart promotional CD, and on Judas 0.[57]
* "Cash Car Star": re-recorded in 1999 and released in 2000 on Machina II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music[58] and has been played live numerous times.[59]
* "Chewing Gum": not available on any commercial release, but later considered a demo.[60]
* "Czarina": released in 1998 as a b-side on the "Ava Adore" single.[61]
* "Do You Close Your Eyes": Adore demo, never commercially released but circulating via bootleg.[60]
* "Let Me Give the World to You": Re-recorded in 1999 and released in 2000 on Machina II.[58]
* "My Mistake": released on Judas 0.[57]
* "Once in a While": released as a bonus track on the Japanese pressing of the CD and as a B-side on the "Ava Adore" single[61] and was played live only once as a part of band's 2000 promo tour Resume the Pose, with Corgan playing piano.
* "Saturnine": released on Judas 0,[57] and was later re-recorded and released in 2000 (as "Satur9") on Machina II.[58]
* "Sparrow": released on Judas 0.[57]
* "Summer": released in 1998 as a b-side on the "Perfect" single, and is the only song recorded for Adore which contains songwriting and lead vocals credited to James Iha.
* "Waiting": released in 2000 on the promotional release Machina/Machines of God and on Judas 0.[57]

[edit] Personnel

* Billy Corgan – vocals, guitar, piano, producer, mixing, art direction and design
* D'Arcy Wretzky – bass, vocals
* James Iha – guitar
* Matt Walker – drums on Tracks 1, 2, 4, 6, 10, 11, and 13
* Joey Waronker – drums on "Perfect", additional drums on "Once Upon a Time" and "Pug"
* Matt Cameron – drums on "For Martha"
* Dennis Flemion – additional vocals in "To Sheila" and "Behold! The Night Mare"
* Jimmy Flemion – additional vocals in "To Sheila" and "Behold! The Night Mare"
* Brad Wood – additional production and engineering on Tracks 1, 2, 4, 6, 13, and 15, additional vocals in "Behold! The Night Mare", organ in "Blank Page"
* Flood – additional production, mixing
* Bon Harris – additional programming on tracks 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 13; additional vocals in "For Martha"
* Bjorn Thorsrud – digital editing, engineer
* Robbie Adams – engineer, mixer
* Neil Perry – engineer, mixer
* Chris Shepard – engineer
* Howard C. Willing – engineer, mix assistant
* Eric Greedy – mix assistant
* Jay Nicholas – mix assistant
* John Wydrycs – mix assistant
* Jamie Siegel – mix assistant
* Ed Tinley – recording assistant
* Matt Prock – recording assistant
* Steve Johnson – recording assistant
* Ron Lowe – recording assistant
* Chris Brickley – recording assistant
* Jeff Vereb – recording assistant
* Frank Olinsky – art direction and design
* Yelena Yemchuk – photography, art direction and design
* Howie Weinberg – mastering
* Andy Van Dette – digital editing and compilation

[edit] Chart positions

[edit] Album
Year Album Chart positions
Australian Album Chart[62] New Zealand Album Chart[63] US
Billboard 200[64][65] Canadian Album Chart[65] UK
Album Chart[66] Australian Highest Selling Albums[67]
1998 Adore 1 1 2 2 5 47

[edit] Singles
Year Song Chart positions
US
Modern Rock[4][68] US
Mainstream Rock[4][68] Canadian Singles Chart[68] UK
Singles Chart[66] Australian Singles Chart[69] US
Hot 100[4][68] US
Adult Top 40[68]
1998 "Ava Adore" 3 8 9 11 34 42 –
"Perfect" 3 33 13 24 – 54 31

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Billy Corgan · Jimmy Chamberlin · Ginger Reyes · Jeff Schroeder · Lisa Harriton
James Iha · D'arcy Wretzky · Matt Walker · Melissa Auf der Maur
Kenny Aronoff · Matt Cameron · Dennis Flemion · Mike Garson · Jonathan Melvoin · Joey Waronker
Discography (Categories: albums and songs)
Studio albums Gish · Siamese Dream · Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness · Adore · Machina · Machina II · Zeitgeist
Compilations and EPs Lull · Peel Sessions · Pisces Iscariot · Rotten Apples & Judas 0 · Earphoria · Rarities and B-Sides
Box sets Siamese Singles · The Aeroplane Flies High
Singles "I Am One" · "Tristessa" · "Rhinoceros" · "Siva" · "Drown" · "Cherub Rock" · "Today" · "Disarm" · "Rocket" · "Landslide" · "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" · "1979" · "Zero" · "Tonight, Tonight" · "Muzzle" · "Thirty-Three" · "Eye" · "The End Is the Beginning Is the End" · "Ava Adore" · "Perfect" · "The Everlasting Gaze" · "Stand Inside Your Love" · "Try, Try, Try" · "Untitled" · "Tarantula" · "That's the Way (My Love Is)"
Rare and specialty Early 1989 Demos · Light into Dark · "Daughter" · Mashed Potatoes · The Smashing Pumpkins 1991–1998 · Still Becoming Apart · The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music · Live at Cabaret Metro 10-5-88
Videos Vieuphoria · Greatest Hits Video Collection
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Bands Coat of Eyes · The Marked · Starchildren · Zwan · Jimmy Chamberlin Complex Producers Butch Vig · Alan Moulder · Flood · Brad Wood · Roy Thomas Baker · Terry Date
Studios Pumpkinland · Sadlands · Chicago Recording Company Other Alternative rock · Constantinople Records · "Homerpalooza" · Yelena Yemchuk · Blinking with Fists · TheFutureEmbrace
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The Smashing Pumpkins are an American alternative rock band that formed in Chicago in 1988.[1] While the group has gone through several lineup changes, The Smashing Pumpkins consisted of Billy Corgan (vocals/guitar), James Iha (guitar/vocals), D'arcy Wretzky (bass/vocals), and Jimmy Chamberlin (drums/percussion) for most of the band's recording career.

Disavowing the punk rock roots shared by many of their alt-rock contemporaries,[2] the Pumpkins have a diverse, densely layered, and guitar-heavy sound, containing elements of gothic rock, heavy metal, dream pop, psychedelic rock, progressive rock, shoegazer-style production and, in later recordings, electronica. Frontman Billy Corgan is the group's primary songwriter—his grand musical ambitions and cathartic lyrics have shaped the band's albums and songs, which have been described as "anguished, bruised reports from Billy Corgan's nightmare-land".[3]

The Smashing Pumpkins broke into the musical mainstream with their second album, 1993's Siamese Dream. The group built their audience with extensive touring and their follow-up, 1995's double album Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, debuted at number one on the Billboard charts. With approximately 18.3 million albums sold in the United States alone as of 2006,[4] The Smashing Pumpkins were one of the most commercially successful and critically acclaimed bands of the 1990s.[5] However, internal fighting, drug use, and diminishing sales hampered the band and led to a 2000 break-up. In April 2006, the band officially announced that they were reuniting and recording a new album. Returning members Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin were joined by new additions Jeff Schroeder (guitar/vocals), Ginger Reyes (bass/vocals), and Lisa Harriton (keyboard/vocals) in 2007 to tour behind their new release, Zeitgeist.
Contents

* 1 History
o 1.1 Early years: 1988–1991
o 1.2 Mainstream success: 1992–1994
o 1.3 Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness: 1995–1997
o 1.4 Adore, Machina, and breakup: 1998–2000
o 1.5 Post-breakup: 2001–2004
o 1.6 Reunion: 2005–present
* 2 Musical style and influences
* 3 Music videos
* 4 Discography
* 5 See also
* 6 References
* 7 Footnotes
* 8 External links

[edit] History

[edit] Early years: 1988–1991
The Smashing Pumpkins in a 1990 promotional photo. Left to right: James Iha, D'arcy Wretzky, Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlin.
The Smashing Pumpkins in a 1990 promotional photo. Left to right: James Iha, D'arcy Wretzky, Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlin.

At the age of nineteen, singer and guitarist Billy Corgan left his native Chicago, Illinois, moving to St. Petersburg, Florida with his gothic rock band The Marked. The band had limited success and quickly broke up. Corgan returned to Chicago, taking a job in a record store. While working there, he met guitarist James Iha. Adorning themselves with paisley and other psychedelic trappings, the two began writing songs together (with the aid of a drum machine) that were heavily influenced by The Cure and New Order.[6] Corgan met bassist D'arcy Wretzky in 1988 after a show by the Dan Reed Network where they argued the merits of the band. After finding out Wretzky played bass, Corgan stated his band's need for a bassist and gave Wretzky his telephone number. Wretzky soon joined the band, and she and Iha later had a short-lived romance.[7] The first performance of The Smashing Pumpkins was on July 9, 1988, at the Polish bar Chicago 21. This performance *******d only Corgan and Iha with a drum machine.[8] On August 10, 1988, the band played for the first time as a trio at the Avalon Nightclub.[9] After this show, Cabaret Metro owner Joe Shanahan agreed to book the band on the condition that they replace the drum machine with a live drummer. Jazz drummer Jimmy Chamberlin was recruited for the band after a recommendation from a friend of Corgan's.[9] Chamberlin was at first an unlikely match, as he knew nothing of alternative rock at the time. As Corgan recalled of the period, "We were completely into the sad-rock, Cure kind of thing. It took about two or three practices before I realized that the power in his playing was something that enabled us to rock harder than we could ever have imagined."[6] On October 5, 1988, the complete band took the stage for the first time at the Cabaret Metro.[9] Although not an official member of the band at this point, Chamberlin would soon be announced as such, and the complete four-person lineup from this first show at the Metro would be unchanged for the next seven years.
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"Rhinoceros"

Sample of "Rhinoceros", taken from the band's debut album Gish (1991) and also featured on the Lull EP (1992). An early fan favorite, it has been described by a reviewer as "a bit of a microcosm of the entire Gish album: slow, heavy, dreamy, and psychedelic all at once".[10]
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In 1989, the group had recorded a handful of demo tapes, which appeared later on the bootleg release Early 1989 Demos. The Pumpkins made their first appearance on vinyl that same year on the compilation album Light Into Dark, which featured several Chicago alternative bands. They released their first record, a limited edition single of "I Am One", in 1990 on local Chicago label Limited Potential. The single sold out and they released another single, "Tristessa", on Sub Pop, after which they signed to Caroline Records.[11] The Smashing Pumpkins recorded their 1991 debut album Gish with producer Butch Vig at his Smart Studios in Madison, Wisconsin, for $20,000.[12] In order to gain the consistency he desired, Corgan often played all instruments save drums, which created tension in the band. The music fused heavy metal guitars, psychedelia and dream pop, garnering them comparisons to Jane's Addiction.[13] Gish became a minor success, with the single "Rhinoceros" receiving some airplay on modern rock radio. After releasing the Lull EP in October 1991 on Caroline Records, the band formally signed with Virgin Records, which was affiliated with Caroline.[11] The band supported the album with a tour that *******d opening for bands such as the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jane's Addiction, and Guns N' Roses. During the tour, Iha and Wretzky went through a messy breakup, Chamberlin became addicted to narcotics and alcohol, and Corgan entered a deep depression,[14] writing some songs for the upcoming album in the parking garage where he lived at the time.[15]

[edit] Mainstream success: 1992–1994

With the breakthrough of alternative rock into the American mainstream due to the popularity of grunge bands such as Nirvana and Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins were poised for major commercial success. At this time, and amid their protests, the Pumpkins were routinely lumped in with the grunge movement. In a Halloween night interview on MTV's 120 Minutes in 1993, Corgan remarked, "We've graduated now from [being called] 'the next Jane's Addiction' to 'the next Nirvana,' now we're 'the next Pearl Jam.'"[16] The group nevertheless contributed the song "Drown" to the platinum-selling soundtrack of the 1992 movie Singles, a film set in the Seattle grunge music scene.
The band in concert in 1993, as shown in the Greatest Hits Video Collection (2001). They performed "Geek U.S.A." live with fifty professional clowns onstage after they were told they would be presented however they wished on tour.
The band in concert in 1993, as shown in the Greatest Hits Video Collection (2001). They performed "Geek U.S.A." live with fifty professional clowns onstage after they were told they would be presented however they wished on tour.[17]

Corgan said that in the wake of Nirvana's landmark 1991 album Nevermind, "We felt a great pressure that if we didn't come up with a record that was huge, we were done. It was that simple in our minds. We felt like our lives depended on it."[6] Corgan's depression deepened to the point where he contemplated suicide.[18] To counteract his depression, Corgan worked overtime, saying he practically lived in the studio for the 1993 follow-up album, Siamese Dream. The album was recorded at Triclops Sound Studios in Atlanta, Georgia, mostly between December 1992 and March 1993. The band lived in Marietta during the sessions, as Butch Vig reprised his role as producer. The decision to record so far away from their hometown was motivated partly by the band's desire to avoid local friends and distractions during the recording, but largely as a desperate attempt to cut Chamberlin off from his known drug connections.[6] In this respect, the strategy failed, as Chamberlin quickly managed to find new connections and often was absent without any contact for days at a time.[6]

The recording environment was very difficult, and the band fought constantly. The contemporary music press portrayed Corgan as a tyrant during the recording sessions. Corgan admitted there was some truth to the accusations, though he felt the press misunderstood the situation.[19] Rumors circulated that he had recorded all the guitar and bass parts himself. It was never confirmed exactly how much each member participated on the album; Corgan did say he performed a majority of the guitar work, but only because he could record tracks and parts in far fewer takes.[20] In all, it took over four months to complete the record, with the budget exceeding $250,000.[20] Despite all the problems in its recording, Siamese Dream debuted at number ten on the Billboard charts,[21] and sold over four million copies in the U.S. alone.[22] MTV put the videos for the songs "Today" and "Disarm" into heavy rotation, garnering the Pumpkins international attention.

While the Pumpkins were successful, they were not universally adored by the alternative rock community. Participants in the indie scene had derided the band as careerists since their early days.[8] Indie rock band Pavement's 1994 song "Range Life" refers to the band with the lines "I don't understand what they mean/And I could really give a fuck", which have been widely interpreted as an insult (although Stephen Malkmus, lead singer of Pavement, has stated "I never dissed their music. I just dissed their status.").[23] Former Hüsker Dü frontman Bob Mould called them "the grunge Monkees",[6] and fellow Chicago musician/producer Steve Albini wrote a scathing letter in response to an article praising the band. He countered that the Pumpkins were no more alternative than REO Speedwagon and said they were created "by, of and for the mainstream" and "stylistically appropriate for the current college party scene, but ultimately insignificant".[24] Others such as Courtney Love of Hole (who dated Corgan before marrying Nirvana's Kurt Cobain) were vocal supporters of the band.

In 1994, Virgin released the B-sides/rarities compilation Pisces Iscariot which outperformed Siamese Dream by reaching number four on the Billboard charts.[25] Also released was a VHS cassette titled Vieuphoria featuring a mix of live performances and behind-the-scenes footage. Following relentless touring to support the recordings, including headline slots on the 1994 Lollapalooza tour and at Reading Festival in 1995, the band took time off to write the follow-up album.

[edit] Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness: 1995–1997

Corgan worked nonstop over the next year and wrote, according to statements in interviews, about fifty-six songs for the next album.[26] Following this spell of concentrated creativity, the Pumpkins went back into the studio with producers Flood and Alan Moulder to work on what Corgan described as "The Wall for Generation X",[27] a comparison with Pink Floyd's famous two-LP concept album.
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"Bullet with Butterfly Wings"

Sample of "Bullet with Butterfly Wings", the first single from Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995) and winner of the 1997 Grammy award for Best Hard Rock Performance.
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"1979"

Sample of "1979", the second single from Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995). The band's biggest hit and a precursor to their change in style, featuring a drum machine accompaniment to Chamberlin's drums and sampled vocal effects.
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The result was Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, a double album featuring twenty-eight songs and lasting over two hours (the vinyl version of the album contained three records, two extra songs, and an alternate tracklisting). The songs were intended to hang together conceptually as a symbol of the cycle of life and death.[8] Praised by Time as "the group's most ambitious and accomplished work yet",[28] Mellon Collie debuted at number one on the Billboard charts in October 1995.[29] Even more successful than Siamese Dream, it was certified nine times platinum in the United States[30] and became the best-selling double album of the decade to date.[31] It also garnered seven 1997 Grammy Award nominations, including Album of the Year. The band won only the Best Hard Rock Performance award, for the album's lead single "Bullet with Butterfly Wings". The album spawned five singles—"Bullet with Butterfly Wings", "1979", "Zero", "Tonight, Tonight", and "Thirty-Three"—of which the first three were certified gold and all but "Zero" entered the Top 40. Many of the remaining songs that did not make it onto Mellon Collie were released as B-sides to the singles, and were eventually compiled in The Aeroplane Flies High box set. As a testament to the band's popularity, Virgin Records originally intended to limit the set to 200,000 copies, but produced more after the original run sold out due to overwhelming demand.[32]
Billy Corgan onstage during the Mellon Collie tour, featuring a shaved head and his iconic "Zero" shirt.
Billy Corgan onstage during the Mellon Collie tour, featuring a shaved head and his iconic "Zero" shirt.

In 1996, the Pumpkins embarked on an extended world tour in support of Mellon Collie. Corgan's look during this period—a shaved head, a longsleeve black shirt with the word "Zero" printed on it, and silver pants—became iconic.[33] That year, the band also made a guest appearance in an episode of The Simpsons, "Homerpalooza". With considerable video rotation on MTV, major industry awards, and "Zero" shirts selling in many malls, the Pumpkins were considered one of the most popular bands of the time.[34][35] But the year was far from entirely positive for the band. In May, the Smashing Pumpkins played a gig at The Point Theatre in Dublin, Ireland. The venue was overcrowded and despite the band's repeated requests for moshing to stop, a seventeen-year-old fan named Bernadette O'Brien was crushed to death. The concert ended early and the following night's performance in Belfast was cancelled out of respect for her.[36] However, while Corgan maintained that moshing’s “time [had] come and gone,” the band would continue to request open-floor concerts throughout the rest of the tour.[37]

The band suffered a personal tragedy on the night of July 11, 1996, when touring keyboardist Jonathan Melvoin and Chamberlin overdosed on heroin in a hotel room in New York City. Melvoin died, and Chamberlin was arrested for drug possession. A few days later, the band announced that Chamberlin had been fired as a result of the incident.[38] The Pumpkins chose to finish the tour with another drummer and keyboardist, a decision that Corgan later said was the worst the band had ever made, damaging both their music and their reputation.[6] Meanwhile the band had given interviews since the release of Mellon Collie stating that it would be the last conventional Pumpkins record,[39] and that rock was becoming stale. James Iha said at the end of 1996, "The future is in electronic music. It really seems boring just to play rock music."[40]

[edit] Adore, Machina, and breakup: 1998–2000
The Smashing Pumpkins as a trio in 1998. The band adopted a darker, more subdued look to accompany the release of their fourth album, Adore.
The Smashing Pumpkins as a trio in 1998. The band adopted a darker, more subdued look to accompany the release of their fourth album, Adore.

After the release of Mellon Collie, the Pumpkins contributed multiple songs to various compilations. Released in early 1997, the song “Eye” relied almost exclusively on electronic instruments and signaled a drastic shift from the Pumpkins’ previous musical styles. At the time, Corgan stated his "idea [was] to reconfigure the focus and get away from the classic guitars-bass-drum rock format”.[41] Later that year, the group contributed "The End is the Beginning is the End" to the soundtrack for the film Batman & Robin. With Matt Walker on drums, the song featured a heavy sound similar to "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" while still having strong electronic influences. The song later won the 1998 Grammy for Best Hard Rock Performance. Though Corgan announced that the song represented the sound people could expect from the band in the future,[42] the band’s next album would feature few guitar driven songs. Recorded following the death of Corgan's mother and his divorce, 1998's Adore represented a significant change of style from the Pumpkins' previous guitar-based rock, veering into electronica. The record, cut with assistance from studio drummers and drum machines, was infused with a darker aesthetic than much of the band's earlier work. The group also modified its public image, shedding its alternative hipster look for a more subdued appearance. Although Adore received favorable reviews and was nominated for Best Alternative Performance at the Grammy Awards, the album had only sold about 830,000 copies in the United States by the end of the year, which lead the music industry to consider it a failure.[43] The album nonetheless sold three times as many copies overseas.[6] On June 30, 1998, the band embarked on a seventeen-date, fifteen-city charity North American tour in support of Adore. At each stop on the tour, the band donated 100 percent of tickets sales to a local charity organization. The tour's expenses were entirely funded out of the band's own pockets. All told, the band donated over $2.8 million to charity as a result of the tour.[44]
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"Ava Adore"

Sample of "Ava Adore", the first single from Adore (1998), which emphasizes the band's new electronic music-based sound via the use of drum machines and effects.
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"The Everlasting Gaze"

Sample of "The Everlasting Gaze" from Machina/The Machines of God (2000), the first single from the album. A return to the dense, guitar-heavy sound of previous records.
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In 1999, the band surprised fans by reuniting with a rehabilitated Jimmy Chamberlin for a brief tour dubbed "The Arising", which showcased both new and classic material. The lineup was short-lived, however, as upon the completion of the album Machina/The Machines of God, the band announced the departure of Wretzky in September.[45] Former Hole bassist Melissa Auf der Maur was recruited for the "Sacred and Profane" tour in support of the album and appeared in the videos accompanying its release. Released in 2000, Machina was initially promoted as the Pumpkins' return to a more traditional rock sound, after the more gothic, electronic-sounding Adore.[46] The album debuted at number three on the Billboard charts,[47] but quickly disappeared and as of 2007 has only been certified gold.[48][49] Music journalist Jim DeRogatis, who described the album as "one of the strongest of their career", noted that the stalled sales for Machina in comparison to teen pop ascendant at the time "seems like concrete proof that a new wave of young pop fans has turned a deaf ear toward alternative rock".[50]
The band's touring lineup in 2000 with Chamberlin back on drums and Melissa Auf der Maur replacing Wretzky on bass.
The band's touring lineup in 2000 with Chamberlin back on drums and Melissa Auf der Maur replacing Wretzky on bass.

On May 23, 2000, in a live radio interview on KROQ-FM (Los Angeles), Billy Corgan announced the band's decision to break up at the end of that year following additional touring and recording.[46] The group's final album before the break-up, Machina II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music, was released in September 2000 in a limited pressing on vinyl with permission and instructions for free redistribution on the Internet by fans. Only twenty-five copies were cut, each of which was hand numbered and given to friends of the band along with band members themselves. The album, released under the Constantinople Records label created by Corgan, consisted of one double LP and three ten-inch EPs.[51] This is the only Smashing Pumpkins studio album that is not under an EMI-owned record label. Originally, the band asked Virgin to offer Machina II as a free download to anyone who bought Machina. When the record label declined, Corgan opted to release the material independently.[52]

On December 2, 2000, The Smashing Pumpkins played a farewell concert at The Metro, the same Chicago club where their career had effectively started twelve years earlier. The four-hour-long show featured 35 songs spanning the group's career, and attendees were given a recording of the band’s first concert at The Metro, Live at Cabaret Metro 10-5-88.[52] The single "Untitled" was released commercially to coincide with the farewell show.

[edit] Post-breakup: 2001–2004

In 2001, the compilation Rotten Apples was released. The double-disc version of the album, released as a limited edition, *******d a B-sides/rarities collection called Judas Ø. The Greatest Hits Video Collection DVD was also released at the same time, which compiled all of the Pumpkins promo videos from Gish to Machina along with unreleased material.[53] Vieuphoria was released on DVD in 2002, as was the soundtrack album Earphoria, previously released solely to radio stations in 1994.

Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin reunited in 2001 as members of Corgan's next project, the shortlived supergroup Zwan. Their only album, Mary Star of the Sea, was released to generally positive reviews but, after cancelling a few festival appearances, Corgan announced the demise of the band in 2003 under cloudy circumstances. During 2001, Corgan also toured as part of New Order and provided vocals on their comeback album Get Ready. In October 2004, Corgan released his first book, Blinking with Fists, a collection of poetry. In June 2005, he released a solo album, TheFutureEmbrace. It was greeted with generally mixed reviews and lackluster sales. Only one single, "Walking Shade", was released in support of the album.

In addition to drumming with Zwan, Jimmy Chamberlin also formed an alternative rock/jazz fusion project band called The Jimmy Chamberlin Complex. They released an album in 2005 titled Life Begins Again. Corgan provided guest vocals on the track "Lokicat". James Iha served as a guitarist in A Perfect Circle, appearing on their Thirteenth Step club tour and 2004 album, eMOTIVe. He has also been involved with other acts such as Chino Moreno's Team Sleep and Vanessa and the O's. He continues to work with his own record label as well, Scratchie Records. D'arcy Wretzky has not made any public statements or appearances nor given any interviews since leaving the band in 1999. On January 25, 2000, she was arrested after she allegedly purchased three bags of crack cocaine, but after successfully completing a court-ordered drug education program, the charges were dropped.[54]

Corgan insisted during this period that the band would not reform, although when Zwan broke up he announced, "I think my heart was in Smashing Pumpkins [. . .] I think it was naive of me to think that I could find something that would mean as much to me."[55] On February 17, 2004, Corgan posted a bitter message on his personal blog calling Wretzky a "mean-spirited drug addict" and blaming Iha for the breakup of The Smashing Pumpkins.[56] On June 3, 2004, he added that "the depth of my hurt [from Iha] is only matched with the depth of my gratitude".[57] Iha responded to Corgan's claims in 2005, saying, "No, I didn't break up the band. The only person who could have done that is Billy."[58]

[edit] Reunion: 2005–present
Billy Corgan's full-page Chicago Tribune ad, announcing his intention to reform The Smashing Pumpkins.
Billy Corgan's full-page Chicago Tribune ad, announcing his intention to reform The Smashing Pumpkins.

On June 21, 2005, the day of the release of his album TheFutureEmbrace, Corgan took out a full-page advertisement in the Chicago Tribune newspaper to announce that he planned to reunite the band. "For a year now," Corgan wrote, "I have walked around with a secret, a secret I chose to keep. But now I want you to be among the first to know that I have made plans to renew and revive the Smashing Pumpkins. I want my band back, and my songs, and my dreams."[59] While performing at various drum clinics across Europe in September 2005, Jimmy Chamberlin confirmed that a reunion tour was planned to begin the next February, with a new album possibly to follow.[60] In February 2006, MTV.com reported that Corgan and Chamberlin had signed a new management deal with Front Line Management, and Melissa Auf der Maur stated that the pair were currently working on an album of new material.[61]

On April 20, 2006, the band's authorized website, www.smashingpumpkins.com, confirmed the reunion stating, "It's official. The Smashing Pumpkins are currently writing songs for their upcoming album, their first since 1999."[62] The website later reported that the new album would be produced by Roy Thomas Baker, who produced many of Queen's albums, including A Night at the Opera.[63] According to a MySpace blog posting by Jimmy Chamberlin on October 20, 2006, they finished work with Baker and had also enlisted help from producer Terry Date, who has worked with Deftones, Pantera, and Soundgarden.

Corgan and Chamberlin were verified as participants in the reunion, but there was question as to whether other former members of the band would participate. In April 2007, Iha and Auf der Maur separately confirmed that they were not taking part in the reunion.[64][65] Chamberlin would later state that Iha and Wretzky "didn't want to be a part of" the reunion.[66] The Smashing Pumpkins performed live for the first time since 2000 on May 22, 2007, in Paris, France. There, the band unveiled new members Jeff Schroeder and Ginger Reyes, who took over second guitarist and bassist duties, respectively, as well as Lisa Harriton on keyboards.[67] That same month, "Tarantula" was released as the first single from the band's forthcoming album. On July 7, the band performed at the Live Earth concert in New Jersey.[68] The band's new album, Zeitgeist, was released that same month on Reprise Records, entering the Billboard charts at number two.[69] Chamberlin has confirmed that the Pumpkins will be going back into the studio to record a new album at the completion of the current tour.[66]

[edit] Musical style and influences
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The direction of the band is dominated by chief guitarist, lead vocalist, and principal songwriter Billy Corgan. Journalist Greg Kot wrote, "The music [of The Smashing Pumpkins] would not be what it is without his ambition and vision, and his famously fractured relationships with his family, friends, and bandmembers."[6] Melissa Auf der Maur commented upon news of the group's reunion, "Everyone knows Billy doesn't need too many people to make a Pumpkins record, other than Jimmy [Chamberlin]—who he has on board."[70] Many of Corgan's lyrics for the Pumpkins are cathartic expressions of emotion, full of personal musings and strong indictments of himself and those close to him.[6] Music critics were not often fans of Corgan's angst-filled lyrics. Jim DeRogatis wrote in a 1993 Chicago Sun-Times article that Corgan's lyrics "too often sound like sophomoric poetry",[71] although he viewed the lyrics of later albums Adore and Machina as an improvement.[72]

The Smashing Pumpkins' distinctive sound up until Adore involved layering numerous guitar tracks onto a song during the recording process, a tactic that Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness coproducer Flood called the "Pumpkin guitar overdub army".[39] There were a few overdubbed parts on Gish but Corgan began to really explore the possibilities of overdubbing with Siamese Dream; Corgan has stated that "Soma" alone contains up to 40 overdubbed guitar parts.[73] While Corgan knew many of the songs would be difficult or impossible to replicate from their recorded versions in concert (in fact, some songs were drastically altered for live performance), he has explained the use of overdubbing by posing the question "When you are faced with making a permanent recorded representation of a song, why not endow it with the grandest possible vision?"[74] This use of multilayered sounds was inspired by Corgan's love of 1970s arena rock bands Queen, Boston, and Electric Light Orchestra,[73] as well as shoegaze, a British alternative rock style of the late 1980s and early 1990s that relied on swirling layers of guitar noise for effect. Mellon Collie coproducer Alan Moulder was originally hired to mix Siamese Dream because Corgan was a fan of his work producing shoegaze bands such as My Bloody Valentine, Ride, and Slowdive.[75]

Like many contemporary alternative bands, The Smashing Pumpkins utilized shifts in song dynamics, going from quiet to loud and vice versa. Hüsker Dü's seminal album Zen Arcade demonstrated to the band how they could place gentler material against more aggressive fare,[6] and Corgan made such shifts in dynamics central to the pursuit of his grand musical ambitions.[76] Corgan said he liked the idea of creating his own alternative universe through sound that essentially tells the listener, "Welcome to Pumpkin Land, this is what it sounds like on Planet Pumpkin."[77] This emphasis on atmosphere carried through to Adore (described as "arcane night music" in prerelease promotion)[78] and the Machina albums (concept records that tell the story of a fictional rock band).[6]

The Pumpkins drew inspiration from a variety of other genres, some unfashionable during the 1990s among music critics. Corgan in particular was open about his appreciation of heavy metal, citing Dimebag Darrell of Pantera as his favorite contemporary guitarist.[39][79] When one interviewer commented to Corgan and Iha that "Smashing Pumpkins is one of the groups that relegitimized heavy metal" and that they "were among the first alternative rockers to mention people like Ozzy and Black Sabbath with anything other than contempt", Corgan went on to rave about Black Sabbath's Master of Reality and Judas Priest's Unleashed in the East.[39] The song "Zero", which reminded Iha of Judas Priest, is an example of what the band dubbed "cybermetal".[80] Post-punk and gothic rock bands like Joy Division/New Order, Bauhaus, The Cure, and Depeche Mode were formative influences on the band, which covered such artists in concert and on record. Psychedelic rock was also referenced often in the band's early recordings; according to Corgan, "In typical Pumpkins fashion, no one at that point really liked loud guitars or psychedelic music so, of course, that's exactly what we had to do."[81] Corgan acknowledged that a chord he jokingly claimed as "the Pumpkin chord" (a G# octave chord at the eleventh fret of a guitar with the low E string played over it), used as the basis for "Cherub Rock", "Drown", and other songs, was in fact previously used by Jimi Hendrix.[73] Other early influences cited by Corgan ******* Cream, The Stooges, and Blue Cheer.[82]

Regarding the band's influence upon other groups, Greg Kot wrote in 2001, "Whereas Nirvana spawned countless mini-Nirvanas, the Pumpkins remain an island unto themselves."[6] Still, some artists and bands have mentioned the Pumpkins as an influence, such as Nelly Furtado[83] and members of My Chemical Romance. My Chemical Romance vocalist Gerard Way has said that they pattern their career upon the Pumpkins',[84] including music videos.[85] The members of fellow Chicago band Kill Hannah are friends with Corgan,[86] and lead singer Mat Devine has compared his group to the Pumpkins.[87]

[edit] Music videos

For a complete list of the band's music videos, see The Smashing Pumpkins discography.

A scene from the "Tonight, Tonight" music video, winner of the MTV Video Music Award for Video of the Year in 1996. Drawing heavy influence from Georges Méliès's A Trip to the Moon, the video was filmed in the style of a turn-of-the-century silent film using theater-style backdrops and primitive special effects.
A scene from the "Tonight, Tonight" music video, winner of the MTV Video Music Award for Video of the Year in 1996. Drawing heavy influence from Georges Méliès's A Trip to the Moon, the video was filmed in the style of a turn-of-the-century silent film using theater-style backdrops and primitive special effects.[88]

The Smashing Pumpkins have been praised for being "responsible for some of the '90s' most striking and memorable video clips" and for having "approached videos from a completely artistic standpoint rather than mere commercials to sell albums".[89] MTV's 2001 anniversary special Testimony: 20 Years of Rock on MTV credited the Pumpkins, along with Nine Inch Nails, with treating music videos as an art form during the 1990s. Corgan has said, "We generally resisted the idea of what I call the classic MTV rock video, which is like lots of people jumping around and stuff."[90] The band worked with acclaimed video directors including Kevin Kerslake ("Cherub Rock"), Samuel Bayer ("Bullet with Butterfly Wings"), and, most frequently, the team of Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris ("Rocket", "1979", "Tonight, Tonight", "The End is the Beginning is the End", and "Perfect"). Corgan, who was frequently heavily involved in the conception of the videos, said of Dayton and Faris, "I know my [initial] versions are always darker, and they're always talking me into something a little kinder and gentler."[91] Videos like "Today", "Rocket", and "1979" dealt with images taken from middle American culture, albeit exaggerated. The group's videos so often avoid the literal interpretation of the song lyrics that the video for "Thirty-Three", with images closely related to the words of the song, was created as an intentional stylistic departure.[92]

The band was nominated for several MTV Video Music Awards during the 1990s; in 1996, the '"1979" and "Tonight, Tonight" videos combined to win seven VMAs, including the top award, Video of the Year, for "Tonight, Tonight". The video was also nominated for a Grammy at the 1997 ceremony. Fans reacted with equal fervor. Of the "Tonight, Tonight" video, Corgan remarked, "I don't think we've ever had people react [like this]...it just seemed to touch a nerve."[93]

[edit] Discography

Main article: The Smashing Pumpkins discography

Date of release Title Record label
May 28, 1991 Gish Caroline Records
July 27, 1993 Siamese Dream Virgin Records
October 24, 1995 Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness Virgin Records
June 2, 1998 Adore Virgin Records
February 29, 2000 Machina/The Machines of God Virgin Records
September 5, 2000 Machina II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music Constantinople Records
July 10, 2007 Zeitgeist Reprise Records

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[edit] References

* Azerrad, Michael. "Smashing Pumpkins' Sudden Impact". Rolling Stone. October 1, 1993.
* DeRogatis, Jim. Milk It!: Collected Musings on the Alternative Music Explosion of the 90's. Cambridge: Da Capo, 2003. ISBN 0-306-81271-1
* Erlewine, Stephen Thomas, and Greg Prato. "The Smashing Pumpkins", in All Music Guide (AllMusic.com).
* Kot, Greg. "Pumpkin Seeds". Guitar World. January 2002.
* Thompson, Dave. "Smashing Pumpkins", in Alternative Rock. San Francisco: Miller Freeman, 2000. ISBN 0-87930-607-6

[edit] Footnotes

1. ^ Although frequently referred to as simply "Smashing Pumpkins", and credited as such on the covers of Gish, Siamese Dream, and Zeitgeist (and related singles), the band's name has more often been presented as "The Smashing Pumpkins", dating back to their first demo tape, and exclusively so between Mellon Collie (1995) and Earphoria (2002).
2. ^ Rogers, Ray. "Smashing Pumpkins [interview]", Interview. February 1996 (available online). Retrieved on 2007-03-11
3. ^ Shaw, William. "Appetite for Destruction". Details. December 1993.
4. ^ Top Artists. Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA.com) (2006-07-31). Retrieved on 2006-09-26.
5. ^ There are differing reports on the Pumpkins's worldwide sales at the time of their breakup: Jim DeRogatis, in December 2000, reported a total of "twenty-two million copies sold". David Fricke, that same month, wrote of the band's "more than twenty-five million records sold worldwide". See DeRogatis, Jim. Milk It!: Collected Musings on the Alternative Music Explosion of the 90's. Cambridge: Da Capo, 2003; p. 89; Fricke, David (2000-12-22). Smashing Pumpkins Look Back in Wonder. RollingStone.com. Retrieved on 2006-10-25.
6. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m Kot, Greg. "Pumpkin Seeds", Guitar World. January 2002.
7. ^ "From Fighting to Smashing", Washington Post, 1993-11-19.
8. ^ a b c Kelly, Christina. "Smashing Pumpkins: The Multi-Platinum Band Is Over the Infighting But Can the Harmony Last?", US Weekly, 1995-12-01.
9. ^ a b c "Jimmy Chamberlin [interview]", Modern Drummer, January 1994.
10. ^ True, Chris. Rhinoceros (review). All Music Guide (AllMusic.com). Retrieved on 2007-02-25.
11. ^ a b Keedle, Jayne. "Patchin' It Back Together", Hartford Advocate, 1996-10-01.
12. ^ Kot, Greg. "Out of the Patch for Smashing Pumpkins, New Album Is Another Sign of Liftoff", Chicago Tribune, 1991-06-21.
13. ^ Rotondi, James. "Orange Crunch", Guitar Player. January 1996.
14. ^ Hilburn, Robert. "Smashing Pumpkins Endures When (and What) Other '90s Bands Couldn't", Los Angeles Times. August 3, 1998 (available online) Retrieved on 2007-03-11.
15. ^ Davis, Darran (2000-08-08). Smashing Pumpkin Billy Corgan Leaving Hometown of Chicago. Yahoo! Music (Yahoo.com). Retrieved on 2007-02-01.
16. ^ Corgan, Billy. Interview. 120 Minutes. MTV. October 1993.
17. ^ Commentary for "Geek U.S.A." live video. The Smashing Pumpkins 1991–2000: Greatest Hits Video Collection (Virgin Records, 2001).
18. ^ Shepherd, Julianne (2005-06-13). Billy Corgan (interview). PitchforkMedia.com. Retrieved on 2007-02-03. Corgan has said on various occasions—most notably during the band's 2000 performance on VH1 Storytellers—that "Today" was written as an ironic statement about this period of suicidial thoughts. See also Beck, Johnny (December 2001/January 2002). The Greatest Songs Ever! "Today". Blender.com. Retrieved on 2007-02-03.
19. ^ Mundy, Chris. "Strange Fruit: Success Has Come at a High Price for this Chicago Band", Rolling Stone. April 21, 1994.
20. ^ a b Azerrad, Michael. "Smashing Pumpkins' Sudden Impact", Rolling Stone. October 1, 1993.
21. ^ UB40? No, UB7!. EW.com (1993-08-13). Retrieved on 2007-10-05.
22. ^ Rosen, Craig (1999-11-02). Pumpkins' "Dream". Yahoo! Music (Yahoo.com). Retrieved on 2006-11-04.
23. ^ Gabriella (June 1999). Interview with Stephen Malkmus of Pavement. NYRock.com. Retrieved on 2006-07-12.
24. ^ Albini, Steve. "Three Pandering Sluts and Their Music-Press Stooge", Chicago Reader. January 28, 1994.
25. ^ Smashing Pumpkins Artist Chart History: Albums. Billboard.com. Retrieved on 2007-10-05.
26. ^ Corgan, Billy, James Iha & D'arcy Wretzky. Interview. Hora Prima. MTV Latin America. 1996-12-19.
27. ^ DeRogatis, pp. 46, 80.
28. ^ Farley, Christopher John. "A Journey, Not a Joyride". Time. November 13, 1995.
29. ^ 'Mellon Collie' Baby. EW.com (1995-11-10). Retrieved on 2007-11-05.
30. ^ Top 100 Albums. Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA.com). Retrieved on 2007-08-04. Sales for double albums are counted for each disc, thus 4.5 million copies of the double album package have been certified.
31. ^ "Germ Warfare", Newsweek, 1996-10-14.
32. ^ Pumpkins' "Collectors" Set Has Mass Appeal. MTV.com (1996-12-16). Retrieved on 2006-08-30.
33. ^ Corgan, Billy. Interview. Breakfast with Billy. KROQ, Los Angeles. 1996-02-02.
34. ^ Marks, Craig. "Zero Worship", Spin, June 1996.
35. ^ Violanti, Anthony. "Cool in Control Smashing Pumpkins Weathers the Storms of Celebrity", Buffalo News, 1996-06-30.
36. ^ Fan Crushed at Smashing Pumpkin's Show. MTV.com (1996). Retrieved on 2006-06-23.
37. ^ Durando, Stu. "Wary of Injuries and Litigation, Concert Venues Take Extra Precautions to Deal with Moshing", St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 1996-07-17.
38. ^ Errico, Marcus (1996-07-17). Smashing Pumpkins Drum Out Jimmy Chamberlin. Eonline.com. Retrieved on 2006-06-21.
39. ^ a b c d Di Perna, Alan. "Zero Worship", Guitar World. December 1995.
40. ^ Graff, Gary. "Smashing Pumpkins—Rave of the Future", Guitar World. December 1996.
41. ^ Gundersen, Edna. "Smashing that Pumpkins stereotype Band shuns 'tragic' label", USA Today, 1997-02-26.
42. ^ Chris Connelly. MTV's Week in Rock [TV-Series]. MTV.
43. ^ Fricke, David (1998-12-29). When Billy Corgan Speaks.... RollingStone.com. Retrieved on 2006-05-05.
44. ^ Smashing Pumpkins Raise Over $2.8 Million on Charity Tour. MTV.com (1998-09-22). Retrieved on 2006-08-30.
45. ^ D'Arcy Exits Smashing Pumpkins. Billboard.com (1999-09-10). Retrieved on 2007-02-07.
46. ^ a b Newman, Melinda, and Jonathan Cohen (2000-05-24). Corgan: Smashing Pumpkins To Break Up. Billboard.com. Retrieved on 2006-05-04.
47. ^ Santana Still No. 1 Despite Strong Debuts. Billboard.com (2000-03-09). Retrieved on 2007-10-05.
48. ^ Tarlach, Gemma. "Once-Sizzling Bands Grapple with Fading Fame", Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 2000-04-11. Retrieved on 2006-09-27.
49. ^ Gold and Platinum Database Search. Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA.com). Retrieved on 2006-09-27.
50. ^ DeRogatis, pp. 84–85.
51. ^ Machina II/The Friends and Enemies of Modern Music. The Smashing Pumpkins Fan Collaborative Discography (SPFC.org). Retrieved on 2007-01-12.
52. ^ a b Fricke, David (2000-12-22). Smashing Pumpkins Look Back in Wonder. RollingStone.com. Retrieved on 2006-10-25.
53. ^ There is one notable omission, "The End Is the Beginning Is the End". This was excluded because the rights are owned by Warner Bros., who loaned out the band from their regular label, Virgin Records.
54. ^ Rosen, Craig (2000-05-22). Ex-Pumpkin D'Arcy Wretzky Has Crack Case Wiped Clean. Yahoo.com. Retrieved on 2006-05-08.
55. ^ Dansby, Andrew (2003-09-15). Zwan Call It Quits. RollingStone.com. Retrieved on 2007-02-02.
56. ^ Corgan, Billy (2004-02-17). Smashing Pumpkins (weblog). LiveJournal.com. Retrieved on 2006-06-14.
57. ^ Corgan, Billy (2004-06-03). Smashing Pumpkins (weblog). LiveJournal.com. Retrieved on 2006-06-14.
58. ^ Spitz, Marc. "Head On", SPIN vol. 21, no. 8. August 2005.
59. ^ Corgan, Billy. "A Message to Chicago from Billy Corgan", Chicago Tribune, June 21, 2005.
60. ^ Kiener, Dan (2005). Pumpkins Reborn. DrownedInSound.com. Retrieved on 2006-05-02.
61. ^ Harris, Chris (2006-02-02). Smashing Pumpkins Reunion Is Under Way, According to Sources. MTV.com. Retrieved on 2006-02-02.
62. ^ Kaufman, Gil (2006-04-21). Smashing Pumpkins Site Says "It's Official"—Band Has Reunited. MTV.com. Retrieved on 2006-06-28.
63. ^ For The Record: Quick News On Smashing Pumpkins, Britney Spears, Kevin Federline, Madonna, Guns N' Roses & More. MTV.com (2006-08-16). Retrieved on 2006-08-23.
64. ^ Goodman, Elizabeth (2007-04-06). Exclusive: James Iha Speaks Out Regarding His Involvement in Pumpkins Reunion. RollingStone.com. Retrieved on 2007-04-06.
65. ^ Movers and Shakers in Canadian Arts. TheGlobeAndMail.com (2007-04-23). Retrieved on 2007-04-23.
66. ^ a b Micallef, Ken. "The Evolution of Jimmy Chamberlin: Still Smashing!" Modern Drummer. November 2007.
67. ^ Cohen, Jonathan (2007-04-22). Smashing Pumpkins Return To The Stage In Paris. Billboard.com. Retrieved on 2007-07-22.
68. ^ The Police and Smashing Pumpkins for US Live Earth. NME.com (2007-04-10). Retrieved on 2007-04-11.
69. ^ Hasty, Katie (2007-07-18). T.I. Holds Off Pumpkins, Interpol To Remain No. 1. Billboard.com. Retrieved on 2007-08-10.
70. ^ Smashing Pumpkins Reunion Is On. NME.com (2006). Retrieved on 2007-01-11.
71. ^ DeRogatis, p. 80.
72. ^ DeRogatis, p. 88.
73. ^ a b c Aledort, Andrew. "Introduction", in Siamese Dream Songbook. Miami: Warner Bros. Publications, 1994.
74. ^ Corgan, Billy. "Guitar Geek USA" [column. Guitar World, January 1996.
75. ^ DeRogatis, p. 78.
76. ^ Corgan, Billy. "Guitar Geek USA [column]", Guitar World. September 1995.
77. ^ DeRogatis, p. 76.
78. ^ Kaufman, Gil (1998-01-14). Pumpkins Recording Album of "Arcane Night Music". Addicted to Noise/JamesIha.org. Retrieved on 2006-09-07.
79. ^ Corgan, Billy. "Guitar Geek USA [column]", Guitar World. August 1995.
80. ^ "Killer B's". Guitar World, January 1997.
81. ^ Commentary for "Siva" music video. The Smashing Pumpkins 1991–2000: Greatest Hits Video Collection (Virgin Records, 2001).
82. ^ "Smashing Pumpkins", Chicago Tribune, 1990-09-07.
83. ^ Parker, Lyndsey (October 25, 2000). Exclusive LAUNCH Artist Chat. Nelly Furtado. Yahoo! Music. Retrieved on 2007-04-09.
84. ^ Tyme, Gwyn (2005-05-05). My Chemical Romance—Interview with Gerard Way. MusicPix.net. Retrieved on 2006-11-05.
85. ^ Montgomery, James (2005-01-13). My Chemical Romance Aim for Smashing Pumpkins Status. MTV.com. Retrieved on 2006-11-05.
86. ^ Hudson, Marc (2006-09-18). Future Imperfect: Mat Devine of Kill Hannah. PopSyndicate.com. Retrieved on 2007-02-12.
87. ^ Bondowski, Karen (2006-12-21). Interview with Kill Hannah's Matt Devine. Livewire (ConcertLivewire.com). Retrieved on 2007-02-17.
88. ^ Commentary for "Tonight, Tonight" music video. The Smashing Pumpkins 1991–2000: Greatest Hits Video Collection (Virgin Records, 2001).
89. ^ Prato, Greg. Greatest Hits Video Collection (review). All Music Guide (AllMusic.com). Retrieved on 2007-02-08.
90. ^ Commentary for "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" music video. The Smashing Pumpkins 1991–2000: Greatest Hits Video Collection (Virgin Records, 2001).
91. ^ Commentary for "Rocket" music video. The Smashing Pumpkins 1991–2000: Greatest Hits Video Collection (Virgin Records, 2001).
92. ^ Commentary for "Thirty-Three" music video. The Smashing Pumpkins 1991–2000: Greatest Hits Video Collection (Virgin Records, 2001).
93. ^ Corgan, Billy. Interview. Smashing Pumpkins Videography. MTV. 1996.

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If this weren't my own thread, I would have already quoted the 10,000 number post and the wikipedia entry in a couple of replies. Along with

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This is all sort of confusing. I figured I can help some folks with the random number issue. Check out the external links really usefull stuff.

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A random number generator (often abbreviated as RNG) is a computational or physical device designed to generate a sequence of numbers or symbols that lack any pattern, i.e. appear random. Computer-based systems for random number generation are widely used, but often fall short of this goal, though they may meet some statistical tests for randomness intended to ensure that they do not have any easily discernible patterns. Methods for generating random results have existed since ancient times, including dice, coin flipping, the shuffling of playing cards, the use of yarrow stalks in the I Ching, and many other techniques.Contents [hide]
1 "True" random numbers vs. pseudo-random numbers
2 Random numbers in computing
3 Generating random numbers from physical processes
4 Post-processing and statistical checks
5 Other considerations
6 Uses of random numbers
7 Low-discrepancy sequences as an alternative
8 Generation from a probability distribution
9 See also
10 External links


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"True" random numbers vs. pseudo-random numbers
Main article: pseudorandom number generator

There are two principal methods used to generate random numbers. One measures some physical phenomenon that is expected to be random and then compensates for possible biases in the measurement process. The other uses computational algorithms that produce long sequences of apparently random results, which are in fact completely determined by a shorter initial value, known as a seed or key. The latter type are often called pseudorandom number generators.

A "random number generator" based solely on deterministic computation cannot be regarded as a "true" random number generator, since its output is inherently predictable. John von Neumann famously said "Anyone who uses arithmetic methods to produce random numbers is in a state of sin." How to distinguish a "true" random number from the output of a pseudo-random number generator is a very difficult problem. However, carefully chosen pseudo-random number generators can be used instead of true random numbers in many applications. Rigorous statistical analysis of the output is often needed to have confidence in the algorithm.

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Random numbers in computing

Most computer programming languages ******* functions or library routines that purport to be random number generators. They are often designed to provide a random byte or word, or a floating point number uniformly distributed between 0 and 1.

Such library functions often have poor statistical properties and some will repeat patterns after only tens of thousands of trials. They are often initialized using a computer's real time clock as the seed. These functions may provide enough randomness for certain tasks (for example video games) but are unsuitable where high-quality randomness is required, such as in cryptographic applications, statistics or numerical analysis. Much higher quality random number sources are available on most operating systems; for example /dev/random on various BSD flavors, Linux, Mac OS X, IRIX, and Solaris, or CryptGenRandom for Microsoft Windows.

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Generating random numbers from physical processes
Main article: hardware random number generator

There is general agreement that, if there are such things as "true" random numbers, they are most likely to be found by looking at physical processes which are, as far as we know, unpredictable.

A physical random number generator can be based on an essentially random atomic or subatomic physical phenomenon whose randomness can be traced to the laws of quantum mechanics. An example of this is the Atari gaming console, which used noise from an analog circuit to generate true random numbers. [1] Other examples ******* radioactive decay, thermal noise, shot noise and clock drift. Even Lava Lamps have been used.

To provide a degree of randomness intermediate between specialized hardware on the one hand and algorithmic generation on the other, some security related computer software requires the user to input a lengthy string of mouse movements, or keyboard input.

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Post-processing and statistical checks

Even given a source of plausible random numbers (perhaps from a quantum mechanically based hardware generator), obtaining numbers which are completely unbiased takes care. In addition, behavior of these generators often changes with temperature, power supply voltage, the age of the device, or other outside interference. And a software bug in a pseudo-random number routine, or a hardware bug in the hardware it runs on, may be similarly difficult to detect.

Generated random numbers are sometimes subjected to statistical tests before use to ensure that the underlying source is still working, and then post-processed to improve their statistical properties.
See also: Statistical randomness

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Other considerations

Random numbers uniformly distributed between 0 and 1 can be used to generate random numbers of any desired distribution by passing them through the inverse cumulative distribution function of the desired distribution. Inverse CDFs are also called quantile functions. To generate a pair of independent standard normally distributed random numbers (x, y), one may first generate the polar coordinates (r, θ), where r~χ22 and θ~UNIFORM(0,2π) (see Box-Muller transform).

Some 0 to 1 RNGs ******* 0 but exclude 1, while others ******* or exclude both.

The outputs of multiple independent RNGs can be combined (for example, using a bit-wise XOR operation) to provide a combined RNG at least as good as the best RNG used. More details about uncorrelated near random bit streams.

Computational and hardware random number generators are sometimes combined to reflect the benefits of both kinds. Computational random number generators can typically generate pseudo-random numbers much faster than physical generators can generate true randomness.

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Uses of random numbers
Main article: Applications of randomness

Random number generators have applications in gambling, statistical sampling, computer simulation, cryptography, etc.

Note that, in general, where unpredictability is paramount--such as in security applications-- hardware generators are generally preferred, where feasible, over pseudo-random algorithms.

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Low-discrepancy sequences as an alternative

Some computations making use of a random number generator can be summarized as the computation of a total or average value, such as the computation of integrals by the Monte Carlo method. For such problems, it may be possible to find a more accurate solution by the use of so-called low-discrepancy sequences, also called quasirandom numbers. Such sequences have a definite pattern that fills in gaps evenly, qualitatively speaking; a truly random sequence may, and usually does, leave larger gaps.

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Generation from a probability distribution

There are a couple of methods to generate a random number based on a probability distribution function. These methods involve transforming a normal random number in some way. Because of this, these methods work equally well in generating both pseudo-random and true random numbers. One method, called the inversion method, involves integrating up to an area greater than or equal to the random number (which should be generated between 0 and 1 for proper distributions). A second method, called the acceptance-rejection method, involves choosing an x and y value and testing whether the function of x is greater than the y value. If it is, the x value is accepted. Otherwise, the x value is rejected and the algorithm tries again. [2]

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See also
Hardware random number generator
List of random number generators
Random number generator attack
Random password generator
Randomization
Randomness

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External links

Random numbers available over the internet and from parties not specifically known to and trusted by the user should not be used cryptographically.
http://www.randomizer.org
Cryptographically Secure Random number on Windows without using CryptoAPI from MSDN
Random.org - generate random bitmaps, flip virtual coins etc. (random numbers generated from atmospheric noise from a radio)
Simple Random Number Generator Software (Uses three different algorithms]
HotBits: Genuine Random Numbers (random numbers generated from radioactive decays)
LavaRnd demonstration (random numbers generated from a webcam CCD chip)
RandomNumbers.info (random numbers generated by exploiting elementary quantum optics process)
Free Open-Source Generator (Random number generator with open-source code for Windows)
KenoRND() (random numbers generated from results of live keno at real casinos)
www.true-random.com (random numbers generated from digital noise and based on the central limit theorem)
True (physical) random number generators (e.g. with USB interface)
http://www.idquantique.com/products/quantis.htm - True random number generators based on quantum physics
http://random.mat.sbg.ac.at - uniform random number generators
Generating random numbers Generating random numbers in Embedded Systems
RQube Free software for generating random sequences for experimental purpose in behavioural sciences and social sciences.
Glossary of words concerning true random number generation

 
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thanks rolmos, for telling us about this Adore album. i think i might have to check it out!!

 
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The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete

 
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K. We'll get there soon.

 
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since u waste out time with the inclusion of 17 i will vote for martha

 
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:26 PM   #18
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It's only fair to give all the songs a chance.

If it were up to me to choose the 4 to leave out, more people would be less happy.

If you use that logic, all of the songs don't count because everyone has different favorites.


It's the same reason astrofan left "Spaceboy" on the SD poll. Fairness

 
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Although I did just realize that a week is a pretty long time to wait for the inevitable.



Can a mod change the poll end date? To the 29th?

 
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tae of dusty is easil one of the better tunes on this record.. this poll officially blows.

 
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Old 10-24-2007, 11:10 PM   #21
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K, go ahead and make your own poll with all 16 tracks listed.

You'll get your chance. It's even the next song on the list. Besides, it NOT being on this list should make you happy, as no one can vote that terrible song off the list yet.

 
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The track "Appels + Oranjes" is completely synthesized—performed entirely on electronic instruments apart from Corgan's vocals.
yeah.... except for the guitar

 
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Hummer

 
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:29 AM   #24
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PETITION TO MAKE THIS POLL FAIL BY LEAVING ANNIE DOG AS WINNER TO STOP THIS SURVIVOR POLL MADNESS!!!111uno

 
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YOU ASKED FOR IT.
Who the fuck asked for this poll?

 
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YOU ASKED FOR IT.



Also: Pisces Iscariot Survivor plz.

 
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For Martha won. Damn you all to hell!
Behold! The Night Mare - 27
For Martha - 22

Record
Round 01: 17
Round 02: Annie-Dog
Round 03: Shame
Round 04: Appels + Oranjes
Round 05: Once Upon A Time
Round 06: Daphne Descends
Round 07: Tear
Round 08: Perfect
Round 09: The Tale Of Dusty And Pistol Pete
Round 10: Ava Adore
Round 11: Pug
Round 12: Crestfallen
Round 13: To Sheila
Round 14: Blank Page
Round 15: Behold! The Night Mare
WINNER: For Martha

I really do hate you people. Anway, on to Machina. If anyone has any suggestions on how to set up the Machina 2 game, leave them here. I think it might be tricky with the EPs and alternate versions and what-not.

Been there, done that.

 
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Yeah it's cool and all. I mentioned that in the original post. 5 years old.

So great job finding the link that RopeyLopey already posted in some other thread about this. Ropey Lopey has been there, done what you just did.

That makes us all the same.

 
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Since "17" is the OBVIOUS loser here, and I fail to see another song catching up to it if we wait a few more days, what do ya say we consider it lost, and start the next thread, already?

I was only going to make it fair by letting it go for a while (see what happened to some of the other elimination threads... over time the obvious loser ended up catching up). But if I wait till next Wednesday, everyone will be dead, and this poll will be in the archives or soemthing.

This time only 4 days of voting? Sounds good to me.

I'll link to this thread in the new post. Won't do it till tomorrow though.

If you disagree, speak now or forever hold your piss.

 
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It's only fair to give all the songs a chance.

If it were up to me to choose the 4 to leave out, more people would be less happy.

If you use that logic, all of the songs don't count because everyone has different favorites.


It's the same reason astrofan left "Spaceboy" on the SD poll. Fairness
Is this what keeps you awake at night? You need to grow up.

 
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