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08-16-2006, 03:51 PM | #1 | |
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the continual folly of bolly - roy thomas baker makes records loud at any volume
from this interview: http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_roy_t...ker/index.html
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08-16-2006, 04:00 PM | #2 |
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Well hopefully there won't be clipping on the level of MSOTS :\
edit: I should note that I've heard the latest record by The Darkness. It's pretty loud, but it's not like, Machina loud. Last edited by Effloresce : 08-16-2006 at 04:22 PM. |
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08-16-2006, 04:23 PM | #3 |
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who cares
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08-16-2006, 04:55 PM | #4 |
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what i like to saturate is saturation
due to my boards and meters being saturated, er i mean in the red, red of course being the international sign for saturation, i lost my train of thou saturation |
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08-16-2006, 04:59 PM | #5 |
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I don't know. I don't think what's described here is really the same thing as the methods that produced the clipping on MSOTS. I'm sure there are people here who know about this sort of thing a lot better than I do, but my understanding was that MSOTS clipped so badly because they tried to recreate a vintage overdriven analog sound using digital techniques and equipment. Only problem was that when you overdrive a track on digital, the peaks just cut off and create the nasty grating distortion we got instead of the warmer more pleasant distortion you'd get from overdriving tape. What's described above sounds to me more like how you'd go about creating the analog distortion effect the "right" way.
I could be totally wrong on this, but it looks to me like Billy realized that his attempt on MSOTS to create that 70's distorted sound on the record failed miserably, and now he's bringing in someone who actually knows how to do it. |
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08-16-2006, 05:11 PM | #6 |
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I'm just happy he appears to be taking a back seat on the producing this time. RTB is unlikely to fuck up the record if the songs are any good. Billy should just concentrate on the writing and performing aspects instead of trying to wear all the hats at once.
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08-16-2006, 06:00 PM | #7 | |
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You couldn't be more right. There is a huge difference between tape saturation/compression, and hyper-limiting. Both achieve huge aparrent volume, but only one sacrifices audio quality. See Zwan. |
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08-16-2006, 06:04 PM | #8 |
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how does brendo_91 know so much about everything when he's such a youngster
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08-16-2006, 06:13 PM | #9 |
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because im really brendo_91 i fooled you silly pants.
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08-16-2006, 06:14 PM | #10 |
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i thought you were rock lobster, and from canada, not australia
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08-16-2006, 06:15 PM | #11 |
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the problem with msots was it was rushed to get finished. the end result is shit. you get what you put into it.
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08-16-2006, 06:15 PM | #12 | |
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08-16-2006, 06:30 PM | #13 |
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least they could do is use tape. they can afford it after all. if they want to do this saturated sound thing. it *is* possible to make different mixes for an album and the radio promo, if they want the singles to be saturated b/c everyone else is mixed too loud.
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08-16-2006, 07:39 PM | #14 |
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are people here implying that any of this is going to be played on the radio
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08-16-2006, 07:52 PM | #15 |
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This is incredible, how does he make a CD that's loud even when you turn the volume down? The kids will get a real kick out of that parlor trick.
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08-16-2006, 08:08 PM | #16 | ||
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For what it's worth Zwan was done on tape too... so tape alone does not a good record make |
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08-16-2006, 09:01 PM | #17 |
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Just so you know there is a difference between analog saturation (which can be nice and pleasant and is used often and is what he is referring to) and digital saturation/clipping which is what is wrong with MSOTS.
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08-16-2006, 09:10 PM | #18 | |
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Anyway, as much as I know you will find this painful to do, listen to the latest album by The Darkness if you want an idea of what his production antics are like. I can't say the band's actual music is very good, but hey, at least it'll give you an idea. It's a very loud production, but it still sounds really clear, too. It doesn't sound TOO loud in the sense that there's this clipping/crackling noise and bass drowning out everything else. It sounds pretty damn clean to me. |
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08-16-2006, 09:19 PM | #19 |
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well I will give the man all the credit in the world - he did produce Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen
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08-16-2006, 09:24 PM | #20 | |
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08-16-2006, 09:47 PM | #21 | |
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What sets this apart from digital clipping, is the onset of the distortion, where digital distortion is a very sudden thing, creating harmonics that sound ugly and harsh, but analog tape saturation is a gradual onset into soft clipping which creates harmonics which are considered musical by our ears. Try this site: http://ipsologic.com/briefs/tape_saturation.html |
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08-16-2006, 10:29 PM | #22 | |
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08-16-2006, 10:36 PM | #23 |
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the whole one-upping of the loudness stakes for radio play is kinda disturbing ... radio has a lot to answer for imho what with their 80:1 limiting ratios and shit
My favourite Pumpkins album, production wise (and songs wise!) is still Adore ... and that is NOT a "loud" album by any measure |
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08-16-2006, 10:52 PM | #24 | |
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08-16-2006, 10:56 PM | #25 | |
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totally. i feel like i've said it a million times, but the moment when i was most impressed with bill and encouraged for what lay ahead was hearing to sheila. it's so... airy! man. the best |
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08-16-2006, 10:59 PM | #26 | |
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08-17-2006, 12:21 AM | #27 |
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Well I read the quote and was not happy but then I read brendo's explanation and felt much better about it. I will check out that Darkness album, I'm pretty sure I already downloaded it at some point.
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08-17-2006, 03:39 AM | #28 |
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The word I was looking for was "euphonic"...
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08-17-2006, 06:24 AM | #29 |
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Spank_thru and brendo seem to have different explanations; which one is more accurate, or are you both right?
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08-17-2006, 06:33 AM | #30 | |
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