Was Cogan's beef with Pavment all because of the Ranch Life lyric?

[johncg]

Too busy not having a fragile ego that can’t handle even the slightest criticism without a total meltdown I guess

[T&T]

I've always found pavement to be an antithesis of smashing pumpkins with their lazy singing and IDGF attitude... like they just stumbled into fame. which is kind of bullshit since it actually takes lots of work to be a big band... kind of a honkey story to sell to teen kids that lazyness pays off.
fuck you pavement.

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by inkless

without the pumpkins I will not know the name of this group

is that a threat?

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by myosis

i don't understand what it means and i could really give a f---

hahaha nice

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

You watched the festival online, I was there. With Pavement fans, who were left disappointed, as the band had an attitude and never interacted with the crowd – in fact SM played half of the concert with his back to us.

That stream is so bad is laughable you believe the band sounded that live. Here's more like how it was:



Can you tell the difference? Cab you here more then Billy's voice? See the crowd going mental? That's how it was.

Lol I was just having a go at ya man. It's all good.

I get that Pavement isn't for everyone, but the show you cited was some of the best footage from their reunion. I've watched it about 20 times over the years lol. If you like Pavement at all, the performance definitely didn't suck, granted I suppose they're not a really a typical group to headline such a massive festival.

I get that you had a wicked time seeing Billy Corgan live, and that's all good, but come on... It wasn't a very good performance. We can both agree on that. The set-list was:


The Fellowship
Lonely Is the Name
Today
Astral Planes
Ava Adore
A Song for a Son
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Tarantula
United States
Spangled
Drown
Shame
Cherub Rock
Zero
Stand Inside Your Love
Tonight, Tonight

Encore:
Heavy Metal Machine

I guess they got the heavy-hitter hits in there, so that's nice, but the performance was very lackluster.

I'm not sure how you can argue when there's pro-shot footage of the entire thing


I watched this entire show a few months ago and was stunned by how bad Byrne was. I know that I drunkenly ranted and raved about him sucking all of the time, but in hindsight I assumed I probably might've been too hard on him... Wasn't the case.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by johncg

There goes Billy with the classic “they’re all just jealous of my success” Donald Trump defense.

Yeah I don't really buy it. The Pavement Lolapalooza story checks out IMO. Maybe Bill said "I don't wanna play the festival if Pavement is on it" or something and so technically that isn't getting them "kicked off". Whatever the case, one would be crazy to believe Corgan's spin over Malkmus', given both of their histories.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by inkless

without the pumpkins I will not know the name of this group

That shows your own 90's rock ignorance then.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by WeilandFan

STP were mentioned in the diss too, and to my knowledge they never said a word about it in response. Too busy dealing with Scott Weiland's shenanigans for a petty feud I guess.

Malkmus said they were foxy to him and asked if they were "foxy to you?". What's not to like about that"!?!? STP guys were probably flattered

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by T&T

I've always found pavement to be an antithesis of smashing pumpkins with their lazy singing and IDGF attitude... like they just stumbled into fame. which is kind of bullshit since it actually takes lots of work to be a big band... kind of a honkey story to sell to teen kids that lazyness pays off.
fuck you pavement.

Dude, Slanted and Enchanted was one of the landmark and most influential albums of the era. That's hardly "stumbling into fame".

[Sonic Johnny]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Pretty sweet eh?

I love that show... Wish they'd still air the show as it was originally with the bitchin' music though.

no it isn't and like, clearly you did not understand the show if you think that.

[fuzzyroes]

The music really added to the atmosphere of the show IMO. The stock music they've edited in doesn't have the same umph. Still a great show though.

[johncg]

Fuzzy you are so dumb you probably bought the Siddartha box set

[Mals Marola]

the only way that avatar could be more quintessentially Fuzzy Rose is if you shopped Beavis & Butthead in the background

[FoolofaTook]

and a beer gut

[FoolofaTook]

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[T&T]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Dude, Slanted and Enchanted was one of the landmark and most influential albums of the era. That's hardly "stumbling into fame".

exactly
but they sold laziness over work ethics to teens that don't know better.

[FoolofaTook]

anyone who has rock stars for role models deserves not to know better

[FoolofaTook]

unless those rock stars happen to be boris, of course!

[fuzzyroes]

Ahhh I see those Licking Lemon tall-boy cans on my desk. Those things were the bomb. None of the liquor stores out here carry them anymore. I assume the company went belly up. They were essentially coolers, they were 7% and tasted like 7-up with a tartyer taste. The best part was that a 6 pack of those babies was only 10 dollars. Bang for your buck, indeed!

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by T&T

exactly
but they sold laziness over work ethics to teens that don't know better.

So? They pretty much popularized that and guys like Beck and others later portrayed the same vibe.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by johncg

Fuzzy you are so dumb you probably bought the Siddartha box set

Dude, I literally haven't even listened to a second of that release. I bet most of the "haters" here rushed to get a rip of that baby as soon as it dropped.

I did buy both Teargarden box sets though. I like the 2nd volume, that's a cool piece of memorabilia. The first I bought because I had an HMV gift card... Still can't believe I wasted it on that piece of cow-dung though.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

the only way that avatar could be more quintessentially Fuzzy Rose is if you shopped Beavis & Butthead in the background

I always thought it was a missed opportunity that King Of The Hill or Daria just didn't nonchalantly have Beavis and Butthead walk by in the background acting as cartoon extra in an episode... Just as if it's no big deal. How great would that have been? Would've been viral before there was such a thing.

I often wonder about the intelligence of the people who make these shows. I always think of so many missed opportunities.

[fuzzyroes]

Although I suppose the "Dewey" character on King Of The Hill was kind of a nod to Butthead.

[Mals Marola]

was Daria also a Mike Judge creation or something? cos if so, damn, that dude practically had a monopoly on 90s adult TV animation

[fuzzyroes]

Nope. Judge allowed MTV to have someone else oversee the series. He was too busy with KOTH