Other than Billy, who is most responsible for SP's success?

johncg · 01-30-2019, 01:41 PM

Honestly my vote goes for Bill Corgan, Sr., because without his neglect and abuse and influence, Billy never would have had the insane drive to seek fame and musical success.

Jimmy is a close second, however, as I think his musical contributions are just as important as Billy's songwriting.

The only thing I will add is that I truly don't think D'Arcy's importance to this band can be overstated. Her strength of character was a stabilizing force against Billy's excessive narcissism and zealously bad taste. I have no doubt that without D'Arcy to rein him in we would have easily had some cringe worthy "I WILL BE SPECIAL K" moments from 1991-1998 that may have easily soured his legacy. Sometimes the most important people in the band are the ones whose contributions are not so obvious.

Anyway, I'm sure I forgot someone important. Don't hit me. This thread is meant to incite discussion more than anything.

Well...HAVE AT IT.

FoolofaTook · 01-30-2019, 01:45 PM

satan

cork_soaker · 01-30-2019, 01:51 PM

joe shan

cork_soaker · 01-30-2019, 02:02 PM

wish i’d known this was going to be a poll so that i could have avoided contributing entirely

cork_soaker · 01-30-2019, 02:03 PM

life’s a dance; you learn as you go

johncg · 01-30-2019, 02:08 PM

Fuck my life

run2pee · 01-30-2019, 02:17 PM

Jimmy, no question about it for me

Without a drummer like jim, bill woulda remained forever a bag of limp riffs and cringey yodeling

Mals Marola · 01-30-2019, 02:22 PM

it's a close race between Jim & Butch for me. at first I was just gonna say Butch since he went such a long way to get Bill's songs just right and consequently become huge, widely-appealing singles. but Jimmy's own production choices (changing snares between sections of Today, for example) and ability to serve back just the right track to whatever Bill threw at him was just as important

everyone else on that list was important to the quality & character of the band but Jim & Butch were the "musical steroids" Bill needed to get the Pumpkins on the same level as the grunge big 4, commercially & technically

FoolofaTook · 01-30-2019, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Run To Me

a bag of limp riffs and cringey yodeling

you are like a father-god to me

FoolofaTook · 01-30-2019, 02:41 PM

who are the grunge big four?

melvins, boris, sleep, earth?

Mals Marola · 01-30-2019, 02:46 PM

yeah whatever sure

Mals Marola · 01-30-2019, 02:48 PM

is nothing HOLY anymore?

johncg · 01-30-2019, 03:31 PM

Your mother is

FoolofaTook · 01-30-2019, 03:34 PM

Oklahoma Sexual · 01-30-2019, 06:59 PM

chloe, for not getting in the way of anything before siamese dream and influencing everything after. b'arcy's true muse

Mals Marola · 01-30-2019, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oklahoma Sexual

chloe, for not being born before siamese dream and influencing everything after. b'arcy's true muse

fixd

johncg · 01-30-2019, 07:46 PM

I really thought this pole had potential

Mals Marola · 01-30-2019, 08:03 PM

hasn't even been 24 hrs yet bud

give your pole time to grow

ilikeplanets · 01-30-2019, 09:00 PM

I voted for James because I like him and the aura he brought, and he helped get me hooked. Simple reason, but surely other fans felt the same way and technically that is contributing to success.

ilikeplanets · 01-30-2019, 09:01 PM

Now musically it's definitely Jimmy and Butch, but James has that subtle magnetism that was irreplaceable

johncg · 01-30-2019, 09:05 PM

He does. He was also a cofounder with Billy do hey who knows how important he was in the big picture.

Modern90's · 01-30-2019, 09:19 PM

jimmy for reasons stated

Modern90's · 01-30-2019, 09:19 PM

tough choice on everyone else, though, really.

houseofglass11 · 01-30-2019, 10:09 PM

Really though, you gotta give Bill some credit himself for writing such senescent songs from 1991-1995 even though that word doesn't mean what took thinks it does.

fuzzyroes · 01-30-2019, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

even though that word doesn't mean what took thinks it does.

I googled it once and was like WTF!?!

Mals Marola · 01-30-2019, 10:34 PM

you should have simply used it in casual conversation instead

that's what i did!

Mals Marola · 01-30-2019, 10:35 PM

i think it's time we took (hehe!) the new definition to Miriam Webster and made this shit official

fuzzyroes · 01-30-2019, 10:40 PM

I actually googled it cause I was using it in a post and I wasn't sure if I was spelling it correctly and then I noticed the definition and was like " what in the name of all things holy!?!?"

enthusaroo · 01-30-2019, 10:43 PM

Mike Byrne (Bareclubbin')

ilikeplanets · 01-30-2019, 10:49 PM

Now there's a game changer!

View Poll Results: Who is most responsible for SP's success?
Bill Corgan Sr. (creating the anger, hurt, and insecurity that fueled billy)	1	7.69%
Jimmy Chamberlin (one of the greatest drummers in rock, crucial to SP's sound)	6	46.15%
D'Arcy (for anchoring Billy's ego, being a tastemaker, visual aesthetic)	2	15.38%
James (song contributions, tastemaker, visual aesthetic)	1	7.69%
Joe Shanahan (giving the band some very important breaks early on)	2	15.38%
Butch Vig (big part of SP's signature sound, "patience" made the first two albums possible)	1	7.69%
Other (please list below)	0	0%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

01-30-2019, 01:41 PM	#1
johncg Apocalyptic Poster Location: I teared Joe Rogan a new one Posts: 1,427	Other than Billy, who is most responsible for SP's success? Honestly my vote goes for Bill Corgan, Sr., because without his neglect and abuse and influence, Billy never would have had the insane drive to seek fame and musical success. Jimmy is a close second, however, as I think his musical contributions are just as important as Billy's songwriting. The only thing I will add is that I truly don't think D'Arcy's importance to this band can be overstated. Her strength of character was a stabilizing force against Billy's excessive narcissism and zealously bad taste. I have no doubt that without D'Arcy to rein him in we would have easily had some cringe worthy "I WILL BE SPECIAL K" moments from 1991-1998 that may have easily soured his legacy. Sometimes the most important people in the band are the ones whose contributions are not so obvious. Anyway, I'm sure I forgot someone important. Don't hit me. This thread is meant to incite discussion more than anything. Well...HAVE AT IT.

01-30-2019, 03:34 PM	#14
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	nice

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cork_soaker full of longing Posts: 11,538	wish i’d known this was going to be a poll so that i could have avoided contributing entirely

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cork_soaker full of longing Posts: 11,538	life’s a dance; you learn as you go

01-30-2019, 02:08 PM	#6
johncg Apocalyptic Poster Location: I teared Joe Rogan a new one Posts: 1,427	Fuck my life

01-30-2019, 02:17 PM	#7
run2pee Minion of Satan Location: An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom Posts: 7,747	Jimmy, no question about it for me Without a drummer like jim, bill woulda remained forever a bag of limp riffs and cringey yodeling

01-30-2019, 02:22 PM	#8
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	it's a close race between Jim & Butch for me. at first I was just gonna say Butch since he went such a long way to get Bill's songs just right and consequently become huge, widely-appealing singles. but Jimmy's own production choices (changing snares between sections of Today, for example) and ability to serve back just the right track to whatever Bill threw at him was just as important everyone else on that list was important to the quality & character of the band but Jim & Butch were the "musical steroids" Bill needed to get the Pumpkins on the same level as the grunge big 4, commercially & technically

01-30-2019, 02:41 PM	#10
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	who are the grunge big four? melvins, boris, sleep, earth?

01-30-2019, 02:46 PM	#11
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	yeah whatever sure

01-30-2019, 02:48 PM	#12
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	is nothing HOLY anymore?

01-30-2019, 03:31 PM	#13
johncg Apocalyptic Poster Location: I teared Joe Rogan a new one Posts: 1,427	Your mother is

01-30-2019, 06:59 PM	#15
Oklahoma Sexual Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,612	chloe, for not getting in the way of anything before siamese dream and influencing everything after. b'arcy's true muse

01-30-2019, 07:46 PM	#17
johncg Apocalyptic Poster Location: I teared Joe Rogan a new one Posts: 1,427	I really thought this pole had potential

01-30-2019, 08:03 PM	#18
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	hasn't even been 24 hrs yet bud give your pole time to grow

01-30-2019, 09:00 PM	#19
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	I voted for James because I like him and the aura he brought, and he helped get me hooked. Simple reason, but surely other fans felt the same way and technically that is contributing to success.

01-30-2019, 09:01 PM	#20
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	Now musically it's definitely Jimmy and Butch, but James has that subtle magnetism that was irreplaceable

01-30-2019, 09:05 PM	#21
johncg Apocalyptic Poster Location: I teared Joe Rogan a new one Posts: 1,427	He does. He was also a cofounder with Billy do hey who knows how important he was in the big picture.

01-30-2019, 09:19 PM	#22
Modern90's Demi-God Location: The Past, Future, and Present Posts: 388	jimmy for reasons stated

01-30-2019, 10:09 PM	#24
houseofglass11 Minion of Satan Location: sleuthing around like a worm Posts: 5,690	Really though, you gotta give Bill some credit himself for writing such senescent songs from 1991-1995 even though that word doesn't mean what took thinks it does.

01-30-2019, 10:34 PM	#26
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	you should have simply used it in casual conversation instead that's what i did!

01-30-2019, 10:35 PM	#27
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	i think it's time we took (hehe!) the new definition to Miriam Webster and made this shit official

01-30-2019, 10:40 PM	#28
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,169	I actually googled it cause I was using it in a post and I wasn't sure if I was spelling it correctly and then I noticed the definition and was like " what in the name of all things holy!?!?"

01-30-2019, 10:43 PM	#29
enthusaroo Apocalyptic Poster Location: ameriKKKa Posts: 2,749	Mike Byrne (Bareclubbin')

01-30-2019, 10:49 PM	#30
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	Now there's a game changer!