Cotillions Thread

[pumpkins]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

that's cause the chord progression is a little too similar

and yes, I take back what I said about the vocals. can't bear to listen to the whole thing because of them. the dropped consonants are everywhere (OUUU AND MEEE)

and like someone already said, this wouldn't be a problem if they weren't so high in the mix. he keeps doing it.

don't think I'll listen to it again

It seems to me that if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike, so that you could have an excuse to never listen to it again. Am I right?

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by pumpkins

It seems to me that if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike, so that you could have an excuse to never listen to it again. Am I right?

Depends if Billy put his vocals 10x higher in the mix and sings like an old woman.

I jest, Ogilala was great. Not heard this yet.

[Brisk]

Yeah this is all so mediocre, there is 1 good song the title track perhaps. Ogilala way better. Look forward to the next TSP..

[paranoid]

This sounds like a James Iha album.

[Brisk]

dancehall is catchy.

[Whir34]

This is the best work since Adore by far.

[Whir34]

Not just saying that to provoke a reaction. I genuinely feel that. It’s actually a brilliant album. Was NOT expecting that.

[fuzzyroes]

Yeah, it's definitely some of his best work since the original run. It's got the familiar aspects that we love from Billy's music and it also covers new territory with a more mature kind of vibe to the writing.

Really quite an impressive sprawling release. I hope this record can garner some good attention for the big ole guy

[topleybird]

Originally Posted by pumpkins

It seems to me that if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike, so that you could have an excuse to never listen to it again. Am I right?

It's true, jj has never listened to any album more than once and has often remarked that all music, even his own, is awful

It's a wonder he's here at all

[trev]

Originally Posted by pumpkins

if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike

does anyone really think mcis is perfect? if i never hear cupid or lily again it'll be too soon.

[pumpkins]

The more I listen to it the more I'm in love with it. After all the disappointment and all the criticism, sometimes, perhaps, a little exaggerated, I think its fair that we show some appreciation for what Billy has just achieved.

[pumpkins]

Originally Posted by trev

does anyone really think mcis is perfect? if i never hear cupid or lily again it'll be too soon.

Did you follow my argument at all?

[houseofglass11]

Listened to all of Cotillions on a long drive last night. My takeaways:

There’s only a handful of songs I liked. Maybe two or three. It’s a trudge to get through. Most of the songs sound the same. Overly wordy lyrics and lacking in melody. Definitely more Americana influenced than Ogilala and I’m not sure that’s my thing. Final verdict is that Ogilala was a far better record, won’t be listening to this again.

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by pumpkins

It seems to me that if Mellon Collie was coming out today, you would still pick up on something and find something you'd dislike, so that you could have an excuse to never listen to it again. Am I right?

There is actually a lot about that album to improve upon yes! But yes jn general i've moved on from the Pumpkins. I listen to the original albums every once in a while and sometimes i really enjoy them, but it's just not really my cup if tea anymore.

That doesn't mean that his singing and the mix of it isn't horrible. It is. His voice sounds shit and he put it way in the spotlight to enjoy al the shitty aspects of it. Too bad, cause there's some real nice instrumental stuff going on.

[wHATcOLOR]

i haven’t been able / willing to listen to the whole thing yet. stopped after half way and each time i try to pick it up again within a minute i decide to listen to a different artist.


on ogilala there seems to be a consensus that archer was the standout song - is there any similar consensus about 1-3 top songs on this one?

for what it’s worth i recently listened to ogilala again and enjoyed much of it more than i was expecting

[TuralyonW3]

His vocals are execrable

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by wHATcOLOR

i haven’t been able / willing to listen to the whole thing yet. stopped after half way and each time i try to pick it up again within a minute i decide to listen to a different artist.


on ogilala there seems to be a consensus that archer was the standout song - is there any similar consensus about 1-3 top songs on this one?

for what it’s worth i recently listened to ogilala again and enjoyed much of it more than i was expecting

Cotillions
Fragile the spark
Neptulius

My favourite is 6+7 tho

[houseofglass11]

Cotillions has made me realize that Ogilala was actually quite fkn good.

[LoveIsSuicide42]

This is fucking good. Cotillions (the song) is the most captivating thing he's put out in years. I actually believe Corgan felt genuine emotions when writing these songs. It really might be the best thing he's done since Adore. It's certainly the most "complete" album he's done since then.

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Cotillions has made me realize that Ogilala was actually quite fkn good.

Cool, let's wait for Billy's next album now so you can say how much you actually liked Cotillions.

[LoveIsSuicide42]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Cotillions has made me realize that Ogilala was actually quite fkn good.

It really was, and this is even better.

[Brisk]

Seriously why is the production make his voice so nasily and annoying, I can't even listen to the album because of this.

[pumpkins]

Originally Posted by Brisk

Seriously why is the production make his voice so nasily and annoying, I can't even listen to the album because of this.

The production? It's his voice, for god's sake.

[Dogfighter28]

You guys do the same “it’s actually good this time” thread with each boring album

This is baby’s first Americana. If it were one song it would be listenable, but it drones on and on. At least he sounds inspired, but this thread is full of hyperbole.

Also, Zeitgeist sucks

[houseofglass11]

I keep trying to listen to it and after a few songs I think “I kind of hate this” and “I’d even rather listen to Boris rn”

[emilem]

it reminds me of oceania. it feels better than average pumpkins of last 15 years, but then you realise that it's a very low bar to clear and you will most likely never listen to it again.

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by LoveIsSuicide42

I actually believe Corgan felt genuine emotions when writing these songs.

THERE IS NO WAY

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Dogfighter28

Also, Zeitgeist sucks

I seem to remember a very different opinion of yours on this subject

Paranoid, mind to post your signature?

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by pumpkins

The production? It's his voice, for god's sake.

His voice definitely sucks yes, and the way he chooses to sing sucks most of all, but apparently you haven't noticed yourself, and/or chosen to ignore all the posts about it being completely way too high in the mix, which it is

[smashingjj]

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