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08-21-2007, 07:37 PM | #121 | |
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08-21-2007, 07:39 PM | #122 | |
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Maybe it all just ends, and there's nothing. That wouldn't be so nice. But maybe that's what happens. I personally love the idea of reincarnation... I played around with Buddhism for a while... from age 14-15, and I still take a lot of their beliefs to heart. When I was 13 I got rid of all religion because I was just a very unhappy girl, and my brain shifted to negative "logic" (though I agree that there is much logic to be found in religion). Then when I got happy again (14), I started questioning Christianity (mostly because of my best friend being a church-goer who doesn't follow her precious rules) and then turned to Buddhism after a dream I had about it (stupid, I know). It turned out to be a real learning experience. After I realized that faith doesn't come when you ask it to--that you have to truly believe in something for it to be real faith--I set aside the title of Buddhism as well. Now I've made up my own religion based on mostly Christianity with some Buddhism thrown in there. I read a book once called Living Buddha, Living Christ, and it really inspired me to form my own idea of what the "truth" is. And so I have. My God doesn't hate rock and roll, gays, non-religious people, or anyone. He loves us all. And though many may argue that the Christian God doesn't hate those things, either, there are plenty more who would argue that he does. In any case, I'm much happier now, and until I'm dead and gone and wherever I end up, I don't suppose I'll ever know if I was right in my current beliefs. |
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08-21-2007, 07:43 PM | #123 | |
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Faith is not something someone can feel, taste, touch, smell, or see, as you pointed out. It's something altogether different, and it takes personal experience and yes, evidence to build that faith. It's not my place to condemn you anymore than it's your place to condemn me, so I'll never resort to calling someone wrong. This has been a much more civil conversation than some I've had (and I've had a lot.) I appreciate the calmness. |
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08-21-2007, 07:45 PM | #124 |
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Yeah, I never see the point in getting all upset when discussing faith because you can never prove anything in the end. That's why it's faith.
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08-21-2007, 07:48 PM | #125 |
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I just love discussing it. Religion in general, and the history that goes with it, has always fascinated me and I'm always trying to learn more from those who KNOW more. While this has been more of a faith-based discussion rather than the actual historical facts of a religion, it's still nice to discuss.
And anyway, we all have much to learn. Don't think that once you hit 30 you just stop and you hold the truth to all the universe EDIT: exactlythesame, wasn't saying you were 30, just using it as an example |
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08-21-2007, 07:50 PM | #126 |
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so yeah, Chrisitians and Pumpkins . . .
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08-21-2007, 07:51 PM | #127 | |
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08-21-2007, 07:51 PM | #128 |
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Good thread.
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08-21-2007, 07:52 PM | #129 | |
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08-21-2007, 07:54 PM | #130 | |
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Most teenagers really do think they've gained some sort of massive knowledge in through their short time on earth, and I can see why most adults are bothered by this type of attitude, because nothing could be farther from the truth. |
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08-21-2007, 07:57 PM | #131 |
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And I can understand why teenagers get ticked off when they're not taken seriously just because of their age... because it happens to me all the time.
In all reality, I consider an "adult" to be... 25. 25 years isn't much time on this earth, either. Most people I've encountered in their twenties seem to think that they are the ones that hold the truth to the universe, not so much teenagers. Not to say one age group is right or wrong. Judging based on age is altogether stupid. Treating each other as lesser beings based on how long we've been around is silly. I admit that I've got a lot to learn, but everyone does. Like I said, there's not a point in one's life when you just STOP gaining knowledge and experience. And while a twenty-something has been around longer than I have, and have had more experiences in the "real world," I don't think that gives them the right to dismiss my opinions. |
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08-21-2007, 07:58 PM | #132 | |
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I am a Christian and my parents let me listen to the Pumpkins, just to put that out there |
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08-21-2007, 07:59 PM | #133 |
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Yeah, I definitely don't think it's all too unique, either My friend and her family feel the same way, so that's nice to discuss with them. It's good to have someone so close that shares my beliefs.
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08-21-2007, 08:02 PM | #134 | |
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08-21-2007, 08:04 PM | #135 | |
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08-21-2007, 08:05 PM | #136 | |
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I guess it's just having respect for the experience people older than yourself have gained. It's something you just cannot have when you're a teenager. But like you said, age doesn't dictate wisdom. |
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08-21-2007, 08:10 PM | #137 | |
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08-21-2007, 08:12 PM | #138 | |
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08-21-2007, 08:18 PM | #139 | |
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Just thoughts... |
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WOW Great thread. So many things i want to reply too, but i will limit it.
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oh boy, i could talk about this forever. I feel that it is science that made me prove gods existence, in my mind at least. I graduated with a mechanical engineering degree, and now work as a nuclear engineer for the department of defense. The more and more i learn about the intricacies of the inner workings of science, (nuclear physics and other extremely complicated things) the more i am completely blown away at how perfectly this universe has been put together. After learning a lot about what makes this world work, i can arrive at no other conclusion than the fact that it simply cannot be random. Things would not work this well were it not for a plan. I truly believe that it had to have been God that planned it all to work this way from the beginning. Funny, because usually the more people learn about science, the more separated they are from god. For me it was the complete opposite. Since i had this epiphany, i have started to notice other things, almost on a daily basis, that bring me closer to god. Some days i will get lost in the concept of how big the universe is, and how many stars there are. Others i will be completely mind-fucked when i think about the emotion of love, and how two otherwise inanimate objects (humans, made mostly of the same elements that rocks and cars are made out of) are capable of feeling affection for each other. A rock can't love another rock.. how did we evolve emotion? my brain cannot comprehend an answer.. it couldnt have happend randomly. There was a divine purpose and reason. (and i am not going to open up the evolution vs religion can of worms, all i am saying is that evolution or creation.. whatever it was.. god was behind it). Just 3 days ago i looked up at the clouds, and was embarrassed by the fact that i started to tear up.. lost in the concept of how the clouds in the sky, and the colors at sundown are a canvas to which god creates beautiful artwork all day every day, and mostly goes un-noticed. The world is a beautiful place. NOW TO BRING IT BACK TO THE POINT OF THIS THREAD I have loved the smashing pumpkins since the very first time i heard them on the radio in 6th grade. They have been my favorite band since the time when i first realized that i loved music. Corgan's music is beautiful, and amazing. How lucky i am, i sometimes think to myself, that i was bourn into a world where music is possible. The science behind it, the properties of air that allow for sound waves to travel thru them. The natural harmonics that can be proven with math that they sound just right. We could have just as easily been bourn into a universe where music as we know it is impossible. /ramble. |
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08-21-2007, 08:20 PM | #141 | |
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08-21-2007, 08:20 PM | #142 | |
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I think there's a mixture of both types all the time. And yes, studies do show people wait longer now to get married, get more schooling, etc. Yet, my sister who is less than two years older than me got married at 20 and now has three kids and is still happily married and doing well. |
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08-21-2007, 08:21 PM | #143 | |
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08-21-2007, 08:23 PM | #144 | |
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08-21-2007, 08:25 PM | #145 | |
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Evolution doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me. You mean to tell me that DNA occurred by chance? |
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08-21-2007, 08:27 PM | #146 | |
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i think i would be much more impressed if in the full light and clarity of the best thought and highest understanding people chose god. but, actually, the opposite seems to be the case. the most enlightened seem to be against religion, and the least educated and most poor are consistently more likely to be religious, across all cultures. |
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08-21-2007, 08:29 PM | #147 | |
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08-21-2007, 08:31 PM | #148 | |
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this question on hell aside, the bible is more inconsistent with its depiction of god than any other single thing, i think. im no bible scholar but i read the bible and accompanying literature for the first time this summer, fully and fairly, and i was stunned at just how totally incoherent a picture the bible painted. everything was a mess and you could, i firmly believe, find support for most anything if you adopted the same lax intellectual standards (or same willingness to adopt different standards as one sees fit) that the religious do and have always done |
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08-21-2007, 08:34 PM | #149 | |
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it doesn't. Fundamental first thing you learn in chemistry 101 - everything always breaks down to its simplest, smallest energy state. A fucking blade of grass.. let alone a human being is so mind boggle-ingly complex, there is absolutely no way i will believe it happened randomly.. coincidentally, or without reason. The means to get where we are today are debatable (evolution vs creation) but there is no doubt in my mind that god was the driving force that got us here. But, i am not a biologist. I am a nuclear engineer. I would probably bore the hell out of you if i started talking about nuclear physics, but trust me... there are examples in that field equally as difficult to believe in happening randomly. |
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08-21-2007, 08:35 PM | #150 | |
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i came to god during the best, happiest, and most successful years of my life (thus far) |
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