Chicago Surprise

[Esty]

Originally Posted by if there is a llama

I think the next album will be alot better than Zeitgeist.

Thats not saying much.

[Esty]

Originally Posted by exactlythesame

The rep wars were hilarious.

Shut up.

[if there is a llama]

Originally Posted by Esty

Thats not saying much.

Fair enough.

It will be better than anything since MCIS.

[exactlythesame]

Originally Posted by Esty

Shut up.

Okay.

[Esty]

Originally Posted by if there is a llama

Fair enough.

It will be better than anything since MCIS.

Now you're looking stupid. Leave it at the previous comment.

[Endar]

sorry sorta new here but Esty do you post anything but 1 liners?

[Esty]

How about you read the threads before asking me a stupid question, ok fuckhead. Thanks.

[Endar]

thanks for answering my question...

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Endar

sorry sorta new here but Esty do you post anything but 1 liners?

Post of the Century

[davin]

Originally Posted by pale_princess

badabing bang nailed it.

davin, your so-called sources to me are probably about as worthy as shannon funk is a testament to britney spears' parenting skills, or lack thereof. bill's moves concerning the replacements of james and darcy with cheap imitations is cold and calculated in my eyes. that relfection from bill's holier than thou halo you place on him deliberately can't make you see that some people will feel thsi way no matter what.

ok, i'll ignore information from reliable working-class sources with nothing to gain, and instead believe your bullshit delusional conspiracy theory that probably is the spawn of hours and hours of day time soap opera.

[davin]

Originally Posted by if there is a llama

I'll be the first to admit this album isn't mind-blowing. But considering it's Bill's first attempt at the pumpkins in seven years, I think it's pretty good.

I know it lacked outside influence feedback...that's something I think will be around on the next album. Hopefully Jeff gets creative input (I like Ginger but don't think she'll want to stick around).

Not to mention this album lacked feedback from fans. Every other album, Billy and co. had been trying material out for at least a year before they recorded.

I think the next album will be alot better than Zeitgeist.

exactly. i know there's no way September 1991 - June 1996 will ever ever ever be captured again, but with fandom rooted in that awesome shit, its really fucking easy to enjoy this rockin' new album. musically its the best bc/jc output i've heard in a long time. the guitar and drum work are fucking top notch.

yes its more deliberate and precisely executed than earlier stuff, but you'll never recreate that moment or energy or rock-n-roll moment, even if you had the exact same ingredients. so you can say it was because of james, or becase of james & darcy, or because of heroin or because of naive young angst-ridden billy.....but the answer is NONE OF THE ABOVE. all the same ingredients in 2007 would yield a different result.

thats just the way it is, so too bad if you can't get over a stupid grudge, some bullshit drama, or some simple semantics over what is "the band". just enjoy the fucking music and the rest will come naturally.

warning: if you are SP fan and you cannot enjoy zeitgeist then i think your time has passed. lets debate about the older shit instead then, ok?

[Cherub Angel]

Originally Posted by i_adore_adore

I don't doubt it, but I still say that it's a combo of James and Billy... that they just didn't mesh well. No one's fault, just the way things are.

Did Billy's retarded blog blaming James help? heck no. That was pretty ridiculous, and very childish, I think. I dunno what he was trying to accomplish. But still, I just think it's a matter of personalities clashing, not one person being wrong and the other right.

childish...hell yeah it was. I do think it's weird that he even did it though. When he first laid blame on James it seemed very much out of the blue. Out of the blue to the point where I think something happened or something was said within their circles. Who knows though. I just think it's weird he said anything at all.

[Cherub Angel]

As much as we'd all like them to say something on the subject, they're not saying a damn word.....they're just playing shows. To a degree it's probably the best thing to do if they just want people to actually listen to the music as opposed to just talking about drama. That's not to say I agree with them keeping silent like this, but what they are doing does make a degree of sense since it's apparent that the band is sticking around (Corgan said this in the blue room interview). Enough damage was done when Corgan opened his mouth on the subject a couple years ago.....he's probably been advised (or has advised himself) to shut up.

[stumpycat]

To answer the question of what D'arcy was to the band...

Billy called her the "mother hen" but also said in all seriousness that she acted as a kind of outside ear to the music which more or less kept some of his more questionable musical tendencies in check.

Also, I in terms of assigning the specific role of "brains," "heart," etc. I'd say that D'arcy might have been "attitude."

At the time of Adore's release, my perception of how Jimmy's absence affected the dynamic of the band (and especially the music itself) what that it prematurely knocked all the wind out of the sails in terms of the band's (and by "band" I mean 9/10ths Billy) will to continue to play what I would specifically define as "rock" music. The product--sans Jimmy--seemed disorientingly foreign to my ears. "Was the hell is this, exactly?" I asked myself. At the time it seemed to bear precisely zero semblance to anything which could be properly construed as Pumpkins music (bar that ten or so second solo interlude in "Ava Adore".) When Jimmy went, it seemed like the final tie had been cut in Billy's decision to move in a radically new musical direction. I also got the impression that this move into "radically different" musical territory--and what seemed like Bill's very thinly veiled solo project--alienated the remaining band members in a considerable, perhaps irreperable way. This is very much the point at which I think D'arcy and James really started questioning whether or not they wanted to continue their commitment to the band.

Anyone who's been in the Pumpkins camp for long enough realizes that Corgan is unusually sensitive and "thin-skinned" to say the least (which is a formula for disaster when you happen to be someone in the public eye)...if not slightly neurotic at times. Because this is a guy whose internal threat level hovers consistently within the red range, his reactions are often very visceral, overly reactionary, and on ever vigilant defense against the looming threat of ego-bruise. In short, he's geared towards self-protection. So the childish, rather tactless James commentary is no surprise in this light. Oh well...that's Billy for you.

[werideatdusk]

The new music is good... and if its not, then who was or wasnt *******d in the recording doesnt fucking matter. If you like it, good... if you don't that's fine but stop overcontextualizing everything and just evaluate the music for what it is.

[pale_princess]

Originally Posted by davin

thats just the way it is, so too bad if you can't get over a stupid grudge, some bullshit drama, or some simple semantics over what is "the band". just enjoy the fucking music and the rest will come naturally.

warning: if you are SP fan and you cannot enjoy zeitgeist then i think your time has passed. lets debate about the older shit instead then, ok?

i would if there was anything to enjoy (other than stellar)...

SOMA IS BETTAR THAN MAYONAISE!

[million_watts]

hmm, i always kinda wanted to see SP in chicago... work out guestlist, fill up your stash and get that guestroom ready, davin

[Caine Walker]

i completely disagree that zeitgeist is better than adore. i probably missed that boat, but whatever. adore just seemed a lot more honest, and i appreciate that more than the rrr-rrr-rrr guitars, bombast and posturing of zeitgeist. if they can combine this sans the latter for the next album, then we'll be in business again. i.m.o.

although i will say that i listened to the Z on my way home from work yesterday and it led me to some interesting conclusions about my life in its current state. not that it matters to any of you, but at least i got that out of it.

in an attempt to bring this sucker back on topic, where the fuck would they have a chicago residency? if it's at the metro, that would be kind of lame... the empty bottle would be great, but absolutely impossible. now that i'm thinking about it... the metro is really the only place in chicago that would be able to accommodate such a thing. huh.

[Esty]

I assume the chicago theater would be a great choice for something like that, although, no way they sell it out each and every night. Unless we have a bunch of montes and davins stupid enough to do the every show thing.

I hope its someplace small so I can get tickets and sell them for a high price.

[Esty]

Originally Posted by davin

warning: if you are SP fan and you cannot enjoy zeitgeist then i think your time has passed. lets debate about the older shit instead then, ok?

Thats a really stupid comment.

[werideatdusk]

Didn't joe shanahan say that they could have 40 nights, if they wanted? maybe thats the plan.

[Skylarq]

what a gay thread...good (rumors?) about chicago though

[RenewRevive]

all these residencies, whilst cool and all present a danger of burnout. if they wrap up the tour well before the end of the year, take a break to recharge / gain some perspective and maybe go back into the studio by the early summer they could be on schedule to put out a new album by the end of '08. they spent a lot of time fine-tuning zeitgeist, with mixed results so maybe they could go for a rawer sound next time; most critics liked machina 2 for this reason, despite it obviously not being the finished product.

[Slurpee]

Playing 10-20 nights in Chicago over the course of a month (instead of all in a row) could be a good way to wrap up the tour, I think, without burning everyone out.

[if there is a llama]

Originally Posted by Slurpee

Playing 10-20 nights in Chicago over the course of a month (instead of all in a row) could be a good way to wrap up the tour, I think, without burning everyone out.

I think more residencies is not a good way to end the tour. You want to end with a bang, not a slow burn. Play a big show in Chicago. And break out a bunch of old fan favorites. Make chicagoans feel special and give everyone else a taste of things to come.

[Slurpee]

Originally Posted by if there is a llama

I think more residencies is not a good way to end the tour. You want to end with a bang, not a slow burn. Play a big show in Chicago. And break out a bunch of old fan favorites. Make chicagoans feel special and give everyone else a taste of things to come.

I'm talking about realistic possibilities here. Yes, in theory there could be a free show at the Park where they whip out Soma, Geek USA, and Ruby, and that would be the awesomest. But it's not bloody likely.

[if there is a llama]

Originally Posted by Esty

Now you're looking stupid. Leave it at the previous comment.

Let me guess...I'm stupid because I think an as-of-yet unreleased album can be better than Adore?

[i_adore_adore]

I bet they just play a 5 hour show at the metro with a bunch of special guests.

I'd be down.

[mayday]

Darcy was an integral member in TSP... way way more important than people give her credit for... almost the unsung member. She had problems but she was strong and beautiful and she was great

[List On Fork]

dancing makes me darcy mooning poop.