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View Poll Results: Do you consider Billy’s behavior towards D’Arcy and James abusive?
Yes 19 76.00%
No 6 24.00%
Abusive towards D’Arcy, but not to James 0 0%
Abusive towards James, but not to D’Arcy 0 0%
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Old 03-19-2020, 11:25 AM   #1
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Default Poll: Do you consider Billy’s treatment of D’Arcy and James abusive? Why or why not?

I do. Playing under that kinda pressure (being scared to mess up lest Billy scream at you) must be awful.

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 11:35 AM   #2
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Hmmm “abuse” is a heavy word and im not sure if invoking it in this context is advisable

But he definitely did not treat them with basic human respect, and i guess that can constitute abuse

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 11:46 AM   #3
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For sure. From talking shit about their playing abilities during Gish/SD to racist jokes about James and posting that pic of Darcy thru Mancow, it's been abuse all the way.

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 11:54 AM   #4
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For sure. From talking shit about their playing abilities during Gish/SD to racist jokes about James and posting that pic of Darcy thru Mancow, it's been abuse all the way.
When did he make racist jokes about James?

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 11:56 AM   #5
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When he hired Jeff.

 
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Old 03-20-2020, 04:55 PM   #6
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When he hired Jeff.
Perfection.

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 12:01 PM   #7
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Old 03-19-2020, 12:31 PM   #8
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Starting to suspect Averyloren is Billy

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 01:11 PM   #9
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D’Arcy texted me and said she will kick you in the sides if you vote no.

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 01:11 PM   #10
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how much of what we actually know about SP is informed by actual interviews or accounts from other members vs 90s tabloid fodder? i think Billy was resentful that SP wasn't just a project consisting of he & Jimmy as the only "real" members with slots open for live members, but aside from recording all the parts on the first two records, what did this really amount to while the band was still active?

calling James a piece of shit or whatever after the fact just seems like typical post-breakup resentment to me

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 01:20 PM   #11
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Bro he literally threw stuff at D’Arcy on stage at least once. He stopped a live televised performance to call her out. He consistently badmouthed her and James’ abilities despite them both being perfectly capable musicians. He made D’Arcy do backing vocals and then recorded vocals over her on Adore. If he wanted just him and Jimmy he could have easily fired D+J, but he didn’t, now did he?

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 01:26 PM   #12
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meh

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 01:42 PM   #13
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sat through the entirety of Siddhartha

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 02:15 PM   #14
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Old 03-19-2020, 04:01 PM   #15
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Billy won’t like this poll.

 
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The way he replaced them really makes this clear in my mind. Think about it. It was all about "you're not musicians or my friends. you are gimmicks. i can find another asian guitarist and a female bassist and whallah, problem solved."

similar thing when he fell out with jimmy. "you ain't shit I can replace you with a kid out of high school."


sad thing is everybody loses: the poor saps he chose as replacements and his own fucking dead soul which now produces dead music.



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The way he replaced them really makes this clear in my mind. Think about it. It was all about "you're not musicians or my friends. you are gimmicks. i can find another asian guitarist and a female bassist and whallah, problem solved."

similar thing when he fell out with jimmy. "you ain't shit I can replace you with a kid out of high school."


sad thing is everybody loses: the poor saps he chose as replacements and his own fucking dead soul which now produces dead music.



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must spread rep. this is spot on

 
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The way he replaced them really makes this clear in my mind. Think about it. It was all about "you're not musicians or my friends. you are gimmicks. i can find another asian guitarist and a female bassist and whallah, problem solved."

similar thing when he fell out with jimmy. "you ain't shit I can replace you with a kid out of high school."


sad thing is everybody loses: the poor saps he chose as replacements and his own fucking dead soul which now produces dead music.



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The crazy part is I bet Billy would tell us he was a “terrific friend” to D’Arcy and James.

 
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Old 03-19-2020, 09:33 PM   #19
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The crazy part is I bet Billy would tell us he was a “terrific friend” to D’Arcy and James.
He did make them famous millionaires.

 
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The crazy part is I bet Billy would tell us he was a “terrific friend” to D’Arcy and James.
Sure. To ppl like big willie friendship isn’t a feeling, it’s currency

Being a “friend” to someone is offering a slacker to go on tv with you out of the kindness of your geniusness

 
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Old 03-20-2020, 11:10 PM   #21
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Sure. To ppl like big willie friendship isn’t a feeling, it’s currency

Being a “friend” to someone is offering a slacker to go on tv with you out of the kindness of your geniusness
This is so true.

I think his circus analogy "SAY YOU WANT TO GO TO THE CIRCUS" says it all. Billy thinks he took D'arcy and James to the circus, and they're ungrateful. Except his payment is probably something along the lines of following his lead.

 
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Omg u got me with the gotta spread rep

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Oh shit now u got me doing it

Ok everyone, fucken get with it please ppl are counting on us during this time, thank yous

 
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Thank you, makes sense, ok everyone u heard goldberd get with the god damn program thank you during this time
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Ah man i only had like two three days left tops

It’s ok tho can’t even get hi anymore it’s weird it’s like im too stressed out or this is too real or something during this time thank you everyone
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So the consensus is that B0lly was abusive towards James and D’Arcy.

Why do you guys think they put up with him?
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millions of dollars, touring the entire world, being recognized as a famous person. I couldn't fathom why.
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The only abusive relationship in the band was between Darcy, Jimmy and drugs.

Bye now
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Did the band members ever have chemistry? It always seemed awkward to me.

It just seemed like it was kinda BC wrote some excellent songs and had a distinctive voice and the other members (apart from JC, who is very good by his own right) just strummed along, there didnt seem like any actual chemistry between any of them.
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this post is so 2010, let's move on from this already.. it seems that at least he james and jimmy have patched a lot up and worked things out for the better.

darcy not so much, but, you know, she's got some fight in her as well that could be considered abusive.
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