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10-17-2018, 02:42 PM | #121 |
Minion of Satan
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MonumentsRocks, there's a fb group you might like although I'm pretty sure you're already a member.
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10-17-2018, 02:50 PM | #122 |
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10-17-2018, 02:53 PM | #123 | |
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10-17-2018, 02:59 PM | #124 |
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the sp IRC chat where bolly was coined is still the best thought. #gishmonth anyone?
i was on alt.music.smash-pumpkins but i don't think i posted on netphoria |
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10-17-2018, 03:16 PM | #125 |
Minion of Satan
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Time for some vitamines!
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10-17-2018, 03:26 PM | #126 | |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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check out the youtube comments, they prove uh... something! |
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10-17-2018, 03:26 PM | #127 |
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I was on Blamo before my account got approved here and I don't remember this being the case at all. It was a more "controlled" Netphoria with perhaps less outright vitriol but it was in no way the "Billy cock-suck crew" that SM seems to routinely be
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10-17-2018, 03:28 PM | #128 | |
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And the truth will set you free |
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10-17-2018, 03:31 PM | #129 |
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I was on a Radiohead board in the 2000s which I supposed kind of "prepped" me for any future message board endeavours or whatever, i.e. dealing with assholes who acted like they had the end-all/be-all of music, movies, and whatever else. but even then Netphoria seemed particularly threatening, I don't think I was aware of another board that the lead member of the band it was dedicated to actually actively hated it. and what's more the stuff I did see on here didn't exactly seem warm & inviting.
Truthfully though, my biggest take-away from Netphoria in those days was how riddled with ads & spam it was. Thankfully that seems to all be gone now but man it was a pain in the ass to even just lurk a few threads in the late 00s. |
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10-17-2018, 03:33 PM | #130 |
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Reading some of the posts in here I kinda want to find the early reaction threads to Machina just to see how bad it actually was, lol. I remember some of the Zeitgeist threads and frankly they were surprisingly positve
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10-17-2018, 03:36 PM | #131 |
Minion of Satan
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I remember the reaction to Machina was largely positive at the time, but most agreed that that Arising tour versions were better and that the album was overproduced. The album had leaked about a month before the release date. And pretty much everyone hated the Imploding Voice.
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10-17-2018, 03:37 PM | #132 | |
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Tomás Cullen 2 weeks ago Say what you want. This is a beautiful song. You might expect something different coming from The Smashing Pumpkins, but if you judge it just as a song, is a great song. See? This person derives happiness from that musical creation. I like about 90% of what Billy has made since 2007... and I liked about 90% of what he made in the 90's. I won't shit talk the other 10%, because I know there are people out there that do like it, and I don't believe Billy meant anyone ill will when he was writing that other 10%. |
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10-17-2018, 03:42 PM | #133 |
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the fuck
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10-17-2018, 03:44 PM | #134 |
BOTTLEG ILLEGAL
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i think run2me is one of the better tracks on monuments
fact is people aren't complaining about 10% |
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10-17-2018, 04:16 PM | #135 | |
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EVERYYYYWHERE YOU ARE IS EVERYTHING IS YOU ARRRRE IS EVERYWHERE YOU GO IS EVERYONE KNOW NO MATTER HOW FAAAAR YOU'RE EVERYWHERE YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU ARE EVERYWHERE YOU ARE EVERYWHERE YOU AAAAAAAHHHHHH https://media1.tenor.com/images/b9eb...itemid=5922988 Last edited by Zer0 Hour : 10-17-2018 at 04:25 PM. |
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10-17-2018, 04:22 PM | #136 |
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Virulently negative since I began lurking in 2002.... and waaaaay more foul and inappropriate back in the day
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10-17-2018, 06:27 PM | #137 |
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I actually quite like monuments and think it’s easily the best post breakup release outside of TFE but
I have not enjoyed posts by monumentsrocks |
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10-17-2018, 07:05 PM | #138 |
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Monumentsrocks has some questionable powers of logic and reasoning
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10-17-2018, 07:13 PM | #139 |
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He seems to be operating on the faulty premises that
1) if a subgroup of fans enjoyed MTAE, that means it is "objectively good" (he seems to have a hang up on determining objective quality) and 2) if a subgroup of fans enjoyed MTAE, that means all fans actually enjoyed MTAE and then he is coming to the truly baffling conclusion that we are thusly all lying and actually love the album seriously what kind of fucked up shit is this |
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10-17-2018, 07:16 PM | #140 | |
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10-17-2018, 08:04 PM | #141 |
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10-17-2018, 08:08 PM | #142 |
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Of course popular things can be objectively bad. This is because taste is an aesthetic judgement. Many people have poor taste because they haven't had much exposure to other art forms and are not surrounded by people cultivating their artistic faculties. Therefore they are in a poor position to make a judgement about art: they have poor taste because they cannot compare art and judge it as good. This is why people at dog shows are good at judging in dogs - they have seen a shitload of dogs in many different places.
I present as evidence the art of Thomas Kinkade, which is both popular and total shit. |
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10-17-2018, 08:17 PM | #143 |
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Thomas Kinkade famously dropped trou at Disney Land while drunk, took a piss on a statue of Mickey and said, "This one's for you, Walt."
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10-17-2018, 08:19 PM | #144 |
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Taste is subjective though, regardless. That painting gave my eyes cancer, but there are people who love Thomas Kinkade and they aren't objectively wrong. There are interesting ways to argue about the quality of something artistic, but not when people start invoking objectivity, which isn't a real thing.
People who are into something may have "refined" taste, but I'm not sure how clear it really is how much of that taste is formed by experiencing a lot of something in a vacuum or from being exposed to the culture of other people who are really into that thing, or both. You can get a bunch of art history professors together, and they will tell you Kinkade sucks, and that is kind of a good argument because those people have strong ethos on the subject... but truly at the end of the day there is no way to define what is artistically good or bad. |
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10-17-2018, 08:29 PM | #145 |
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You and other claim to hate it, but it's art, and I don't think art is generally hateable, unless, say, it's art that espouses something you hate that is not art, say racism or chauvinism. MTaE doesn't allude to anything hateable outside of itself, unless some kid named Dorian beat you up in grade school. The forum doth protest too much, methinks.
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10-17-2018, 08:29 PM | #146 |
Ownz
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I was just visiting an old folks community the other day. Thomas Kinkade prints everywhere.
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10-17-2018, 08:33 PM | #147 |
Minion of Satan
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How about a chilling sundown...
https://uploads6.wikiart.org/images/....jpg!Large.jpg "Wir wollen den totalen Untergang!" |
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10-17-2018, 08:34 PM | #148 |
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10-17-2018, 08:43 PM | #149 |
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that painting is awesome
imagine looking at that on mdma |
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10-17-2018, 08:54 PM | #150 | |
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the album sucks. I already explained to you the obvious, which is that this whole community is basically people who love the old music and have been alienated from the new music. 18 years in the making, baby. We have our own group identity at this point. I really don't think it's that difficult to grasp, you just really want to justify your perplexing love for a really terrible, lifeless, uninspired album. |
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