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02-28-2014, 02:54 AM | #121 |
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Despite his father's libertarian views and strong support for individual rights,[9][10] the novelist Ayn Rand was not the inspiration for his first name. Growing up, he went by "Randy",[11] but his wife shortened it to "Rand."[9][12][13]
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02-28-2014, 03:05 AM | #122 |
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02-28-2014, 07:46 AM | #123 |
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03-01-2014, 10:15 PM | #124 |
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03-01-2014, 10:19 PM | #125 | |
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Pretty much. People may disagree with that reason, but they cannot deny that it exists nor can they say that it is inherently racist.
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I didn't know that my thoughts (on what, exactly, I am still not very clear) are relevant at all in a discussion about what Rand Paul may or may not believe. |
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03-02-2014, 10:41 AM | #126 |
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Lol ok
Why would anyone care about an opinion on what we are talking about. And if you do not support the civil rights act you are on some level racist. We don't live in a theoretical vacuum. |
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03-02-2014, 07:11 PM | #127 |
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freedom for property owning white males is not inherently racist
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03-02-2014, 10:16 PM | #128 | |
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Just because, without question, there will be racist outcomes if the CRA were repealed (and we are talking about a scenario which is completely absurd - I live in a theoretical vacuum!!!! LOL!)does not mean that someone supports those outcomes. Do all people who are pro-choice agree with all abortions which have ever been performed in every circumstance? Or do you like in a 'theoretical vacuum' when it comes to abortion? What about the freedom to consume alcohol? Do you support every drunk-driving death, beaten wife and kids and alcohol-induced suicide? You are the one who is ignoring reality here. |
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03-03-2014, 08:46 PM | #129 |
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drinking and driving and beating your wife are not legal
there are a lot of (supposedly) legal restrictions on abortion try again |
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03-03-2014, 08:55 PM | #130 |
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i think you missed what he was getting at: "good" freedoms have "bad" concequences
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03-03-2014, 10:03 PM | #131 |
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i know that's what he was getting at. but the analogy doesn't work because without the civil rights act, it would be legal to discriminate on the basis of race. it is not legal to get drunk and then drive or beat your wife.
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03-03-2014, 10:10 PM | #132 | |
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Also, you really should ask yourself why it is that you avoid direct responses and often refuse to deal with threats to your belief system and what that reveals about yourself. |
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03-03-2014, 10:21 PM | #133 |
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You're asking if I support suicide?
Wtf. What am I not responding to? The right of business owners to discriminate is outweighed by the societal interest in ensuring people aren't discriminated against on the basis if race. To disagree with that assessment is, in my opinion, racist. |
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03-03-2014, 10:22 PM | #134 |
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And your analogies really suck. Just for the record.
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03-03-2014, 10:38 PM | #135 |
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i thought jczeroman had some sort of mea culpa but it looks like nothing has changed.
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03-03-2014, 10:46 PM | #136 |
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rand paul is the son of a doctor who never had to want anything in his life and he lives in a rhetorical fantasy world of moral absolutism which is rooted in an "enlightenment era" document written by a bunch of slave-owning slave-rapers.
if you object to the existence of the civil rights act because it restricts the freedoms of business owners, you're an unthinking asshole racist moron. |
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03-03-2014, 11:06 PM | #137 | |
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Can you please answer that question. That one right up there . It's right there. |
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03-03-2014, 11:12 PM | #138 | |
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Do I think the first amendment protects the right of people to say stupid shit without getting arrested? Yes. Do I think it should be legal to discriminate on the basis of race as a business owner? No. Your question is dumb because it cannot be applied to every situation uniformly. You apparently think the right of a business owner to discriminate outweighs the societal interest in prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race. You tried to make an analogy and failed miserably. |
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03-03-2014, 11:14 PM | #139 |
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like what would the legal punishment be for a suicide anyway
god this is frustrating. you're a libertarian. i find libertarianism inherently repulsive. that's really the end of the conversation. |
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03-03-2014, 11:39 PM | #140 |
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Fuck everybody else a man is an island, Eulogy. When you gonna learnd?
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03-03-2014, 11:50 PM | #141 | |
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03-03-2014, 11:51 PM | #142 | |
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03-03-2014, 11:53 PM | #143 | |
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You can call it 'libertarianism' if you want Eulogy, but I am just asking you to square your logic. It isn't a political question. You cannot hold both premises that you are holding at the same time and you are unwilling to confront that. |
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03-03-2014, 11:53 PM | #144 |
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I mean you ask me if I support drunk people beating their wives
you are so far off the fucking rails. which you've always been. so i guess i shouldn't be surprised. |
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03-03-2014, 11:54 PM | #145 | |
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03-04-2014, 12:03 AM | #146 |
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just now reading that link eulogy posted. rand paul is deluding himself if he thinks "states' rights" isn't a racist dog whistle. that phrase has been used endlessly in the attempted justification for enacting so many regressive policies that it's not even funny. it's weird to me that "states' rights" is a phrased that is so rarely invoked in the discussions about progressive polices like gay marriage, marijuana decriminalization, emissions control et al.
republicans take umbrage at the suggestion that their policies are inherently racist. but the fact is that their social policies harm minorities in a greater proportion than WASPs. that is an absolute fact. the idea that matters of civil liberty should be decided upon by the states is so asinine that i don't even know where to begin with it. why? why draw the distinction there? it just seems so needlessly arbitrary to place a threshold right there if it has nothing to do with racism. |
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03-04-2014, 12:05 AM | #147 |
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and to say that america "mostly abhors overt racism" is also ridiculous. there are public buildings all over the south that are named after prominent figures in the confederacy.
there's a robert e lee middle school that's about 3 miles from downtown orlando, so it's not like this is some backwoods shit either. |
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If the answer is yes, then you need to admit that you cannot use that argument to claim someone is racist. If the answer is no, then you need to explain in principle, why this 'situation' is logically different. |
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03-04-2014, 12:12 AM | #149 |
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Speech doesn't affect the right of another person to participate fully in society.
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