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Old 12-05-2018, 04:32 PM   #151
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Neil Young - too many albums, Neil. Can't keep up. And they aren't that good either.
I bet you haven't even listened to all the good ones


 
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:19 PM   #152
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Well, almost as charming as calling Bowie, who did an absurd amount of good in his life a pedophile because a notorious roadie with a story that changes by the day and has no record of her even being a roadie of Bowie or even meeting him
plus, he's Bowie, and dead, thus can never have done anything wrong

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:45 PM   #153
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Having said that, John Lennon is one of my favorite songwriters and his music has been important to me since I was about 3 years old. Like I said, I do believe he really tried to make amends and change in his later life. That doesn't mean his narrative gets totally rewritten. He behaved monstrously towards people. That doesn't go away because you sought redemption or whatever. But like the thread title says, love/hate relationship
But that should be a part of the dialog, right? Otherwise you're just this fucking guy.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:47 PM   #154
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a good portion of this thread is some variation of that fucking guy, tbh

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:54 PM   #155
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man kill hannah had some awesome songs. especially the really early stuff. i used to listen to the beauty in sinking ships when i was stoned during winter. so fucking trippy.
I looove you. You equating their early stuff with winter is so spot on.

I followed them around the Midwest for a bit and have always had a rapport online. Went to their last two shows too. I messaged Mat about organizing the non-major label music and putting it on Bandcamp but he left me on read.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:06 PM   #156
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i just downloaded here are the young moderns


 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:23 PM   #157
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Well, almost as charming as calling Bowie, who did an absurd amount of good in his life a pedophile because a notorious roadie with a story that changes by the day and has no record of her even being a roadie of Bowie or even meeting him
never called him a pedophile, but he did commit statutory rape.

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So you stand with women resolutely even in the instance that the allegations are false and they just made some shit up to destroy someones life and reputation? Just wondering
The chances of women bringing forward false allegations in extortion attempts are a lot less common than your brain could comprehend. In fact, the women (and men, and non-binary people) who come forward with their allegations have the most to lose in terms of life and reputation.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:31 PM   #158
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Well, considering in this situation where multiple people have claimed (from the Ziggy tour era) that she was never on tour with bowie and has no photos with Bowie

I tend to believe Bowie

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:33 PM   #159
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never called him a pedophile, but he did commit statutory rape.



The chances of women bringing forward false allegations in extortion attempts are a lot less common than your brain could comprehend. In fact, the women (and men, and non-binary people) who come forward with their allegations have the most to lose in terms of life and reputation.
statistically, the truth is somewhere in the middle (your second statement)

It’s about 10% statistically via FBI

so let’s guess that a woman bragging about losing her virginity to Bowie is probably in the 1/10

Because remember, originally, she was bragging about it and then her story changed (one of many times)

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:35 PM   #160
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Well, considering in this situation where multiple people have claimed (from the Ziggy tour era) that she was never on tour with bowie and has no photos with Bowie

I tend to believe Bowie
i tend to believe most rock stars have fucked teenagers and it's a tale as old as time. It's naive to think rock stars check young women's IDs to make sure they're "legal." They don't care. Just ask Jeordie White.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:36 PM   #161
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statistically, the truth is somewhere in the middle (your second statement)

Itís about 10% statistically
The thing is, it's tough to *prove* allegations in the court of law, so the law is rarely on the victims' side. This also isn't taking into account the large amount of victims who don't go forward out of fear, intimidation, etc.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:37 PM   #162
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i tend to believe most rock stars have fucked teenagers and it's a tale as old as time. It's naive to think rock stars check young women's IDs to make sure they're "legal." They don't care. Just ask Jeordie White.
Iím not going to turn this into a not all men thing because thatís shitty and problematic and erases experience

But so youíre arguing every rock star has committed statutory rape now?

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:38 PM   #163
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The thing is, it's tough to *prove* allegations in the court of law, so the law is rarely on the victims' side. This also isn't taking into account the large amount of victims who don't go forward out of fear, intimidation, etc.
So, essentially, you’re saying it’s fake news? A majority of rapes do go unreported

Mainly the same reason domestic abuse is often unreported

But we’re talking 10% of rape allegations (of the small minority of allegations) aren’t true

Stop shifting the goalposts

Obviously I believe women and victims.

But there are outliers. Maddox is one

Settle down fuzzy

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:41 PM   #164
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Maddox wasn’t even throwing any allegations originally

She was bragging and didn’t even see that that is statutory until an interviewer goaded her into realizing how fucked up it would be that Bowie fucked a teenage girl

Also wow a Manson member raped somebody so stunned especially considering NIN kicked him for being a piece of shit and then he ran back to his dopey clown daddy

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:45 PM   #165
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:52 PM   #166
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Iím not going to turn this into a not all men thing because thatís shitty and problematic and erases experience

But so youíre arguing every rock star has committed statutory rape now?
You're being pedantic and not all men-ing my point. #NotAllRockStars lmao

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:54 PM   #167
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Maddox wasnít even throwing any allegations originally

She was bragging and didnít even see that that is statutory until an interviewer goaded her into realizing how fucked up it would be that Bowie fucked a teenage girl
LMAO statutory rape, by definition, is when a person of age has sexual relations with an underage person. Whether Maddox saw what happened as rape or not is beside the point. Legally, it's rape, even if it was consensual due to the fact that she was underage.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:59 PM   #168
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LMAO statutory rape, by definition, is when a person of age has sexual relations with an underage person. Whether Maddox saw what happened as rape or not is beside the point. Legally, it's rape, even if it was consensual due to the fact that she was underage.
Read the Medium article. Thanks.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:01 PM   #169
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LMAO statutory rape, by definition, is when a person of age has sexual relations with an underage person. Whether Maddox saw what happened as rape or not is beside the point. Legally, it's rape, even if it was consensual due to the fact that she was underage.
I know that

Iím saying she didnít even mean to make Bowie look like a rapist in the 80s over it

Then she realized underage it was statutory and ran with it

Maybe because she never fucking knew Bowie much less lost her virginity to him

That was Jimmy Page

Bowie never knew her

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:17 PM   #170
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pale p, i know you aren't around here as much but, just in case you didn't know, ninsp is fuckin' terrible. most of us get what you're saying; ninsp is fuckin' dumb.

he's on the list with fuzzy, which tells you something

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:18 PM   #171
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trent is basically perfect

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:28 PM   #172
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pale p, i know you aren't around here as much but, just in case you didn't know, ninsp is fuckin' terrible. most of us get what you're saying; ninsp is fuckin' dumb.

he's on the list with fuzzy, which tells you something
yeah this isn't worth it, who has the time tbh. time to make dinner!

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:28 PM   #173
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takeshi >>>>>>>>>>>>> trent

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:34 PM   #174
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LMAO statutory rape, by definition, is when a person of age has sexual relations with an underage person. Whether Maddox saw what happened as rape or not is beside the point. Legally, it's rape, even if it was consensual due to the fact that she was underage.
pp, over the course of this last year, this board somehow got infested with alt-right apologists and Jordan Peterson wannabes. There is no arguing with them, it's best to just ignore-list them and move on,. and then question 1) why SP would draw people like this and 2) why you/me/we are still here.

 
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pale p, i know you aren't around here as much but, just in case you didn't know, ninsp is fuckin' terrible. most of us get what you're saying; ninsp is fuckin' dumb.

he's on the list with fuzzy, which tells you something
blow yourself, chump

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:37 PM   #176
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I’ll just make a new account with blackjack and hookers

And it’ll be all normal until I say something to
Draw you from your safespace

 
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why you/me/we are still here.
Cause it's ours

 
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Like a captain going down with the ship?

 
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And i appreciate that you're still here, along with a group of others

 
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Like a captain going down with the ship?
It's not down till it's down

 
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