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Old 12-04-2018, 08:38 PM   #61
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The Flaming Lips

I loved that band so much from 1998-2010 and now Wayne is a dickbag creepy-uncle and they are fucking awful.

 
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:39 PM   #62
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no doubt fell down from what?

 
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:42 PM   #63
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Fell from being a good band lol

 
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:44 PM   #64
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i like Return of Saturn a lot, tbh

 
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:47 PM   #65
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Maybe I should revisit it... I know I hate the singles and I listened to the album once or twice when it was new and then traded it in.

 
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:48 PM   #66
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well actually "New" is pretty sweet, but that was released before the album on the Go soundtrack, so I don't even really in clude it in the era.

 
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:50 PM   #67
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:19 PM   #68
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the Koz thing was weird/embarrassing but it doesn't really compare to all of Billy's antics
I have to wonder how different things might be had he achieved Smashing Pumpkins level fame though

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:04 AM   #69
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different core personalities. Kozelek seems like he is kind of an asshole sometimes, but he's also generally humble about his playing and is not attention-seeking like billy.

he just seems like a much more normal person. he's a pretty reserved guy

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:07 AM   #70
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The Flaming Lips

I loved that band so much from 1998-2010 and now Wayne is a dickbag creepy-uncle and they are fucking awful.
The Terror was good

I mean Oczy sucked but one album doesn’t make them blow

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:08 AM   #71
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hey guys the flaming lips have always sucked

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:09 AM   #72
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Lol you're basically perfect
If I could fuck The Fragile and Year Zero I would

I mean the thematic presence (get it The Presence) is a band so I could get a handy from the album

Ya never know

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:10 AM   #73
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hey guys the flaming lips have always sucked
Incorrect

Soft Bulletin and Embryonic rule

They took down the electrical grid in my town when they played here

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:11 AM   #74
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Dude Yoshimis a top ten for me, helps me thru times whenever im sad in the summertime

Surprised that you never connected with them despite your love of the weeds

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:12 AM   #75
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Dude Yoshimis a top ten for me, helps me thru times whenever im sad in the summertime
Yoshimi is great

There’s a lot of filler tho

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:14 AM   #76
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Nah it’s all good you just haven’t let it soak into you yet. Perfect album in every respect

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:23 AM   #77
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I like some of their songs but overall I still think they are kind of a bullshit band.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:25 AM   #78
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The coolest concert that I could watch from my front porch

https://www.dallasobserver.com/music...ps-wow-7066750

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:32 AM   #79
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Hmmm. Well, I love Britney Spears more than I've ever loved SP, and the more personal glimpses of her, the more I feel like she is just a pure, good person. Just love for her, absolutely zero hate.

Now, as far as bands/artists I've enjoyed, but never on a Britney/SP level, here are some examples:

R. Kelly: secret wedding to the underage Aaliyah, statutory rape, claims of keeping a coven of women locked up for sexual slavery
Michael Jackson: pedophile
John Phillips: alleged incest
Bowie: statutory rape
Lindsey Buckingham: beat up Stevie Nicks

I absolutely CANNOT listen to R. Kelly anymore after reading Jim DeRogatis' multiple pieces on him. Dude has belonged in jail forever.

The others mentioned are troubling for me. I acknowledge their misdeeds and it makes their music tougher to listen to nowadays. But I do love a lot of Bowie, Mamas & Papas, MJ and Buckingham-led Fleetwood Mac songs. It's VERY HARD for me to separate the art from the artist with men like Corgan and Kelly (who have a lot of similarities in terms of being 90s Chicago legends with huge egos and prolific songwriting capabilities). But at least with the others, they worked with GREAT collaborators such as Stevie Nicks, Christine McVie, Queen Mama Cass and Quincy Jones.

lesser crimes, but still problematic/had an influence on barely listening to them anymore
Ryan Adams: being a huge asshole
Gwen Stefani: cultural appropriation
U2: I think Bono ultimately has his heart in the right place, but he can be pretty insufferable and sanctimonious.

But then again, my interest in these ones waned over time naturally anyway, so.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:34 AM   #80
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different core personalities. Kozelek seems like he is kind of an asshole sometimes, but he's also generally humble about his playing and is not attention-seeking like billy.

he just seems like a much more normal person. he's a pretty reserved guy
yeah, Billy has a persecution complex whereas Koz is just grumpy

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:38 AM   #81
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There's no evidence that MJ was ever a pedophile. Tons of kids that he spent a ton of time with all emphatically say that nothing illegal went on, as odd as the relationship was.

The parents of 2nd kid who came out with allegations against him in 2005 had a long history of extortion attempts

 
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Hmmm. Well, I love Britney Spears more than I've ever loved SP, and the more personal glimpses of her, the more I feel like she is just a pure, good person. Just love for her, absolutely zero hate.

Now, as far as bands/artists I've enjoyed, but never on a Britney/SP level, here are some examples:

R. Kelly: secret wedding to the underage Aaliyah, statutory rape, claims of keeping a coven of women locked up for sexual slavery
Michael Jackson: pedophile
John Phillips: alleged incest
Bowie: statutory rape
Lindsey Buckingham: beat up Stevie Nicks

I absolutely CANNOT listen to R. Kelly anymore after reading Jim DeRogatis' multiple pieces on him. Dude has belonged in jail forever.

The others mentioned are troubling for me. I acknowledge their misdeeds and it makes their music tougher to listen to nowadays. But I do love a lot of Bowie, Mamas & Papas, MJ and Buckingham-led Fleetwood Mac songs. It's VERY HARD for me to separate the art from the artist with men like Corgan and Kelly (who have a lot of similarities in terms of being 90s Chicago legends with huge egos and prolific songwriting capabilities). But at least with the others, they worked with GREAT collaborators such as Stevie Nicks, Christine McVie, Queen Mama Cass and Quincy Jones.

lesser crimes, but still problematic/had an influence on barely listening to them anymore
Ryan Adams: being a huge asshole
Gwen Stefani: cultural appropriation
U2: I think Bono ultimately has his heart in the right place, but he can be pretty insufferable and sanctimonious.

But then again, my interest in these ones waned over time naturally anyway, so.
I believe Bowie over a roadie who has claimed she slept with every rock star ever and her story changes weekly

It was completely out of character for him especially after reading his bio

She just wants to brag she slept with Bowie, and she admits so

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:42 AM   #83
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U2: I think Bono ultimately has his heart in the right place, but he can be pretty insufferable and sanctimonious.

But then again, my interest in these ones waned over time naturally anyway, so.
lol yeah no.... Do you realize that only 1 percent of Bono's charity goes to boots on the ground initiatives?

"Bono's ONE foundation under fire for giving little over 1% of funds to charity"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-charity.html

all of the money supposedly goes to him for simply "bringing attention to issues" lol. what a crock of horse manure.

 
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There's no evidence that MJ was ever a pedophile. Tons of kids that he spent a ton of time with all emphatically say that nothing illegal went on, as odd as the relationship was.

The parents of 2nd kid who came out with allegations against him in 2005 had a long history of extortion attempts
I don't care that there's "no proof," I believe where there's smoke, there's fire in MJ's case. He was a zillionaire with all the hush money in the world.


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I believe Bowie over a roadie who has claimed she slept with every rock star ever and her story changes weekly
Good for you. Not sure what the amount of men she slept with has to do with anything. I believe women.

 
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:43 AM   #85
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lol yeah no.... Do you realize that only 1 percent of Bono's charity goes to boots on the ground initiatives?

"Bono's ONE foundation under fire for giving little over 1% of funds to charity"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-charity.html

all of the money supposedly goes to him for simply "bringing attention to issues" lol. what a crock of horse manure.
so we agree Bono sucks, cool.

 
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I don't care that there's "no proof," I believe where there's smoke, there's fire in MJ's case. He was a zillionaire with all the hush money in the world.
There was only 2 kids who made allegations against him and the families were both very sketchy with histories of wrong-doing and there's been a ton of people who've come forward to say nothing ever happened between them... Corey Feldman, McCauly Culkin, Frank Cascio and his little brother (just to name a few that initially pop to mind).

 
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I follow Britney on instagram and I believe she is a geniunely good person

 
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I don't care that there's "no proof," I believe where there's smoke, there's fire in MJ's case. He was a zillionaire with all the hush money in the world.
Even Macauley Culkin vouched for him. Culkin could have threw Jackson under the bus for some cheap publicity and sympathy when his own career hit a lull, but he didn't, he maintained that Jackson was a stand up guy.

 
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