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Old 11-15-2018, 01:10 PM   #121
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I think there's a tendency to think songs are written about Love; she seems to think this is always the case anyway. I'd not heard about the interview. I thought Billy's marriage was falling apart when recording MCIS? There's an anecdote from somewhere that Fabian claimed a lot of SP songs are about her. At a show in 2000 (Chicago - United Centre, the one broadcast live over the radio) Billy mentioned Muzzle being about her (or the radio announcer did, i forget). To me Beautiful seems to be talking about his married life, Thru the Eyes of Ruby definitely is and XYU always did too.

I'm no expert on this stuff but figured Billy cheated on his wife with Yelena? I mean she was on the scene when shooting the Zero and Thirty-three videos.

There's some ugly lyrics in XYU, no doubt, it's like cathartic venting. I don't think he comes out of it any better than the woman, whoever that may be, I don't think that was the point though.
Yeah, your last point is a good one. He didn't come out of it any better than the woman, but it seems to have been meant as an explosion of rage and darkness.

I always assumed the marriage fell apart in the wake of the massive MCIS tour and all that time spent apart. Seems like a lot of the Adore songs are about her (blank page for one) and his mother.

As for who the lyrics are about, Love was his most significant relationship that we know of during that time period aside from his wife. And I can only assume that someone like her would be capable of inspiring such ire. There were always rumors that he was one of the other men in her marriage. We can only speculate though. From her comments to the press a year or two, Courtney seemed to think a lot of the songs were about her too.

When he mentioned that "Luna" was written about Courtney in the SD reissue booklet...geez, talk about putting a black mark on one of your prettiest songs.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 01:26 PM   #122
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A lot of the speculation on the songs seemingly directed at women are based entirely on only what we know, 99% of which comes from Corgan or Courtney themselves

For all we know some of these songs coulda been about this girl


 
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:57 PM   #123
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"lover, you're strange"
this one is like a wet toot.

"Cool in your pocket
Rocks for your rocket ride
Cool in your pocket"

Wordsmith right here.

"I don't wanna fight / Every single night"
The lazyness of this first line. It was the lead off lyric for SP2.0 and it was such a stinker. The delivery made it worse I know...
Yeah, even though Tarantula... oh, I'm sorry... TARAN-TOO-LAH is one of the better tracks on Shitegeist, some of the lyrics are so half-assed, it's painful.

A few other dishonorable mentions:

It's light
To bring the light
I fought with all my might
With light
Oh bring the light
Light
Bring the light
I never felt so good and right
But tonight
You'll never need another sound
Oh bring the light

The skies are buzzing and 51 stars and faith and milk and I'm drinking filth and disease oh pretty please I'm begging freedom
There's life to be blinded servants and candy
Before we paid and then we'll pay some more do ya know the score cause I'm so fucking bored


I don't mind what you're running
Cause you and me we're just something
Don't just hang what you're running on
I don't mind the sound alone

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:43 PM   #124
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I never understood the relative love people had for BTL. Lyrically it's woeful and even the solo does nothing for me, it's like a Brian May tribute act.

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:34 AM   #125
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Yeah, lyrically it’s pathetic. Like Billy was just rhyming every word he could with “light.” I do like the solo but it’s so short that it doesn’t have any lasting impact.

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:50 AM   #126
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The solo is seriously over the top amazing, otherwise it's a cool concept cause it's sort of different for the pumpkins, but done very poorly

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:50 AM   #127
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zeitgeist has a bunch of amazing moments like that, but no amazing songs

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 09:47 AM   #128
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Yeah, I would agree with that. Like, United States comes close to being a great epic but it still feels kinda hollow overall because a lot of it just feels like Billy playing with the volume knobs on his guitar. I still really like Starz and COLG but I wouldn't rank either in my top 50 Pumpkins songs, maybe not even in my top 100. And while the solo work on Tarantula is amazing and the chorus is pretty cool, the lyrics in the verses are pathetic, as mentioned earlier.

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:33 PM   #129
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woah woah he does not say "I want to rape you," he says, "I want to BREAK you"
If you listen to "mix 13" I think from the reissue, he pretty clearly says rape. I know there's always been a lot of debate, and in the CD booklet it says break, but I've sort of come to the understanding that he's actually saying rape and the liner notes just toned it down to avoid controversy

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:35 PM   #130
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i always heard rape

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:37 PM   #131
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it's like a Brian May tribute act.
1) I'm not sure why that's a bad thing 2) Brian May wasn't the only guitarist to have done two part harmonized leads.

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:55 PM   #132
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If you listen to "mix 13" I think from the reissue, he pretty clearly says rape. I know there's always been a lot of debate, and in the CD booklet it says break, but I've sort of come to the understanding that he's actually saying rape and the liner notes just toned it down to avoid controversy
You know, you're probably right about that. Like, in 1979, the booklet says "the urgency of sound" but I'm positive he says "the urgency of now." Booklets can be misleading.

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:04 PM   #133
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1) I'm not sure why that's a bad thing 2) Brian May wasn't the only guitarist to have done two part harmonized leads.
1. i'm going to pretend you're kidding.

2. Yep, however he did famously work with a certain Roy Thomas Baker, one of the jokers responsible for Zeitgeist.

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:08 PM   #134
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Also, back to the original topic, these lyrics always bugged me:

narrow marrow
silent sparrow

It's like he was sitting there, looking at Rhymezone for words that rhymed with sparrow. He should have kept going.

Pharoah tarot
Red wheelbarrow
Harrow yarrow
Ronan Farrow

 
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The skies are buzzing and 51 stars and faith and milk and I'm drinking filth and disease oh pretty please I'm begging freedom
There's life to be blinded servants and candy
Before we paid and then we'll pay some more do ya know the score cause I'm so fucking bored
Had to Google to remember that stinker!

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 02:35 PM   #136
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I've never knowingly heard that track

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 02:40 PM   #137
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Had to Google to remember that stinker!
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I've never knowingly heard that track
Lol, the only line that you need to remember from it is:

I'm so fucking bored


Sums up the whole shitty track.

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 02:42 PM   #138
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Also, back to the original topic, these lyrics always bugged me:

narrow marrow
silent sparrow

It's like he was sitting there, looking at Rhymezone for words that rhymed with sparrow. He should have kept going.

Pharoah tarot
Red wheelbarrow
Harrow yarrow
Ronan Farrow
always loved this song, play it a lot lately, very soothing. he could sing the phone book with this singing style and I'd be happy





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Lol, the only line that you need to remember from it is:

I'm so fucking bored


Sums up the whole shitty track.
the only thing that prevents me from going all Tuckett on you for this statement is your avatar!

edit: and the fact that I can't read, you didn't call Sparrow a shitty track. puh!

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Old 11-16-2018, 02:49 PM   #139
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Hey, to each his or her own.

But never go full Tuckett.

 
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Lol, the only line that you need to remember from it is:

I'm so fucking bored


Sums up the whole shitty track.
The first lines are even worse

They poison our sweet mother earth
Destroy our sacred bodies
To fill our mouths with junk and
They call this knowledge but knowing nothing means knowing far far too much
They let our children starve in the name of peace
They march to the beat of a killing machine

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 02:51 PM   #141
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The first lines are even worse

They poison our sweet mother earth
Destroy our sacred bodies
To fill our mouths with junk and
They call this knowledge but knowing nothing means knowing far far too much
They let our children starve in the name of peace
They march to the beat of a killing machine
LOL yeah. Billy's half-assed attempt at writing some vague social commentary. Maybe. But those are probably just metaphors for how music critics have treated him or something.

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 02:52 PM   #142
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edit: and the fact that I can't read, you didn't call Sparrow a shitty track. puh!
LOL! Yeah, I thought you were defending Freak (or "Freak USA") as they used to call it on Blamo.

Anyway though, I've never particularly liked Sparrow either, but it's probably more for those opening rhymes than anything else.

 
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Old 11-16-2018, 03:05 PM   #143
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LOL! Yeah, I thought you were defending Freak (or "Freak USA") as they used to call it on Blamo.
had to google this song as well, not even the song title rang a bell. I only heard the Teargarden songs a single time, but all of them in one go while driving. The impression was powerful enough to last to this day.

 
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had to google this song as well, not even the song title rang a bell. I only heard the Teargarden songs a single time, but all of them in one go while driving. The impression was powerful enough to last to this day.
Yeah, I didn't spend much time on any of the songs off of Turd-shartin' by Kaleidyscoop. Song for a Son was pretty good but still sound like Billy's pathetic attempt at writing his obligatory "Stairway" wannabe song (I think all rock bands do this at some point).

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Old 11-16-2018, 11:51 PM   #145
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If you listen to "mix 13" I think from the reissue, he pretty clearly says rape. I know there's always been a lot of debate, and in the CD booklet it says break, but I've sort of come to the understanding that he's actually saying rape and the liner notes just toned it down to avoid controversy
Definitely sounds like "break" to me, you can hear the BR- but I agree that whatever it says it either is or is a stand in for rape

 
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Split the difference! Billy is actually saying “I wanna rake you” because like any good Trump supporter, Billy thinks that’s how you put out a 100-acre wildfire.

 
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Old 11-18-2018, 08:43 PM   #147
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He's clearly saying vape.

 
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she really loves to break

 
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:23 PM   #149
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Someone has said "love is suicide" by now, surely

 
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Also BWBW is pretty cringe if I'm being honest

 
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