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Old 11-13-2018, 09:23 AM   #91
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Make Knights of Malta Great Again

Billy really does think of himself as the Trump of 90's alternative music.

 
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:45 AM   #92
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THIS is YOUR chance to make an impression in the SP-Camp:





How much do you want to bet that Clay just spent all the crowdfunding money he got for his honeymoon on video equipment?

 
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:05 PM   #93
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this is Monte's chance actually.

not like WPC would pay a dime for it though.

 
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:07 PM   #94
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this is Monte's chance actually.

not like WPC would pay a dime for it though.
Billy Corgan: Who?

 
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:57 PM   #95
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Let's hope for some wonderful fight scenes of the honorable knights, to make at least this music video enjoyable...

It's time to revive these brave knights for flying rainbows of blood...

 
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Old 11-14-2018, 05:23 PM   #96
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This songs sucks.

If it's a Smashing Pumpkins song, then that term no longer has any meaning.

 
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Old 11-14-2018, 06:51 PM   #97
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welcome to the dark side! we have waited 13 years for you.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 12:22 PM   #98
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Corgan's been steering SP as a glorified solo vehicle since the late 90s tho

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 01:03 PM   #99
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Pretty clear from the reception of TFE and Ogilala that Billy Corgan's name holds little weight as a solo artist. He has no choice but to keep SP alive if he wants any sort of audience, moderately sized or not.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 01:39 PM   #100
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He had a chance with TFE

I remember when that record came out, I wasn't even a fan yet but I was aware of its existence, so promotionally it's got a fair shake; seemed more that people just weren't down to ride w/ a corgan "techno" record

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 01:49 PM   #101
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Pretty clear from the reception of TFE and Ogilala that Billy Corgan's name holds little weight as a solo artist. He has no choice but to keep SP alive if he wants any sort of audience, moderately sized or not.
It goes to show that its all marketing, even though we pretend there's so much more to it than that. Alienating Darcy cost him millions.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:04 PM   #102
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He had a chance with TFE

I remember when that record came out, I wasn't even a fan yet but I was aware of its existence, so promotionally it's got a fair shake; seemed more that people just weren't down to ride w/ a corgan "techno" record
Yeah, I think if Billy had made a more guitar-driven rock album, I think the reception would have been better. But TFE is more like a full album of the darker, synth-heavy tracks on Adore. I like most of it but I don't think that's really what most fans wanted from Billy at the time.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 03:38 PM   #103
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Yeah, I think if Billy had made a more guitar-driven rock album, I think the reception would have been better. But TFE is more like a full album of the darker, synth-heavy tracks on Adore. I like most of it but I don't think that's really what most fans wanted from Billy at the time.
i think writing good songs could help, becasue he tried everything by this point. in last 15 years we got the rocking album (zeitgeist), the psychedelic album (oceania), the sunshine pop album (zwan), the experimental album (all the synth noodles), the electronic pop album (TFE), the original pumpkins reunion album, even an intimate acoustic record. and it all fell flat. nothing will ever work when you have boring songs that barely even register with the fans. no arrangement change could fix that. its frustrating for me, i cant even imagine how billy must feel.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 04:08 PM   #104
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Yeah, I suppose. Though I do really like the Zwan album.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 04:11 PM   #105
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The Zwan album is ok. It's notable that all these album have had their dynamics crushed as well. The worst one being the new album.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:02 PM   #106
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i honestly think the new album is hurt by it the least though, because the songs at their core don't seem like they're even trying to be dynamic - unlike, say, Oceania or even The Zeit

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:12 PM   #107
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i honestly think the new album is hurt by it the least though, because the songs at their core don't seem like they're even trying to be dynamic - unlike, say, Oceania or even The Zeit
That's just a justification after the fact. If its decided, for whatever reason, that a person likes the album, they will say the songs have a simple elegance, and that they're a return to straight forward rock. OTOH, if the songs were dynamic, and people still didn't want to like the album, they would say the songs were busy and inaccessible, that you could only love them if you were already a fan.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:24 PM   #108
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that is, in your humble opinion.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:32 PM   #109
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that is, in your humble opinion.
On a forum such as this, that's implied 100% of the time.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:33 PM   #110
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jj's opinion, however, is never humble

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:44 PM   #111
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On a forum such as this, that's implied 100% of the time.
that's interesting, you didn't seem to be used to it shortly ago

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 05:46 PM   #112
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that's interesting, you didn't seem to be used to it shortly ago
I have no idea what you're talking about.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:07 PM   #113
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I wasn't even implying whether I liked or didn't like either of those 3 albums, just that 2 of them seemed like a more dynamic set of songs than the other one

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:13 PM   #114
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I wasn't even implying whether I liked or didn't like either of those 3 albums, just that 2 of them seemed like a more dynamic set of songs than the other one
You said the album was "hurt" by a lack of dynamics in the songs, I'm saying people can love or hate dynamics in music depending on the day of the week.

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:15 PM   #115
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i said it was hurt by it the least
as in, whatever dynamic shifts might have been present in the songs from the start probably weren't too effected considering it doesn't seem like there were many

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:15 PM   #116
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what're you gonna tell me next that Shiny is subconsciously my favorite Pumpkins cos i made a comment on the mastering???

bring it on, guy!

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:18 PM   #117
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
any memories of those rants about stating opinions as facts, without adding 'IMHO' etc, all gone?

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:32 PM   #118
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any memories of those rants about stating opinions as facts, without adding 'IMHO' etc, all gone?
Was I right?

 
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:35 PM   #119
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Alienating Darcy cost him millions.
Speaking as someone who'd really hoped D'arcy would be a part of things, let me just say


 
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Was I right?
and the memory suddenly is back.

what, do you doubt if you were right?

 
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