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Old 08-22-2018, 01:33 PM   #181
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Playing it on Leno in support of the second, free Machina album was one of the coolest things they ever did, tbh


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Old 08-22-2018, 02:23 PM   #182
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No offense to anyone, but I never understand why Imploding Voice makes so many revised Machina tracklists. I feel like that song was the beginning of Billy’s “repeat one generic line over and over and over again” writing style.
get on get on get on the bomb get back get back etc

 
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:25 PM   #183
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get on get on get on the bomb get back get back etc
Come on, Where Boys Fear to Tread is an awesome song.

 
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:28 PM   #184
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get on get on get on the bomb get back get back etc
What? No! He only repeats that verse twice, and that song has no chorus btw. That's like saying Tonight Tonight is basically repetitions cause he says "Tonight" a couple of times.

 
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:33 PM   #185
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what about in killing in the name of when zack says fuck you i wont do what you told me a ton of times and then UGH!!! KILLING INT HE NAME OF

or

in 1970 when takeshi sings tomashten tomashten ka a bunch of times and then yells TOMASHTEN TOMASHTEN KA!!!!!!!!!!! and atsuo chimes in with YEAH!!!!!!!!!!



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Old 08-22-2018, 02:59 PM   #186
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I'd take Zach De La O repeating "Fuck you, I won't do what ya tell me" a MILLION times over Billy singing, "Everyone, EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE."

 
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:25 PM   #187
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All I want is MI/MII cleaned up and a bunch of outtakes - none of this alternate versions bullshit.

That's not what I'll get but it is what i want.

 
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:44 PM   #188
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that's say la vee for you

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:20 AM   #189
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Any machina tracklist with White Spyder or In My Body can and should be disregarded. Those are two of SP's worst songs, along w HMM and BSBT.

Although i remember there being a vers of BSBT that I could stand. Might have been the leaked demo. Not sure. It's been a while since I've listened to any Pumpkins.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:23 AM   #190
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I'd prefer the track list to be left alone tbh

Unless everything from M1 and M2 is included

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:38 AM   #191
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Yeah, no, for sure. Leave everything as it is. But I meant moreso these fantasy tracklistings. Blows my grapes seein' folks leavin' off the cream for pie crust

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:24 AM   #192
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What? No! He only repeats that verse twice, and that song has no chorus btw. That's like saying Tonight Tonight is basically repetitions cause he says "Tonight" a couple of times.
i agree it's a good song. just saying billy has repeated himself in songs quite a lot

and i dont get how it's comparable to someone saying the hook for the song in the chorus a lot. notice i didn't ******* bodies/"love is suicide"

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:31 AM   #193
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Cash Car Star has bigger issues than the repetition. like the line "cause everybody's everything is nobody's nothing". Yikes that's awful

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:32 AM   #194
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also this version from 1998 is even more shit


 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:42 AM   #195
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Kenny's obviously no Jimmy or Matt, but he holds his own on that song.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:27 AM   #196
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Ok, ok swapout Cash Car Star for Vanity. Easy.

Those saying they want the reissue to leave the album exactly as it is (wtf?) - then what’s the point in reissuing it?

Machina was poorly recieved by critics, sold shit, and is not well-regarded by fans. So... leave it exactly as it is? Sure.gif

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:45 AM   #197
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Calm down Woody. Christ on a cracker, we appreciate your enthusiasm.

Edit: phone typo done does now equal down

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Old 08-23-2018, 06:03 AM   #198
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there's no single disk version that'll please everyone, that much is obvious.



it's interesting how quite a few lead singles were older tracks
Bwbw
ava adore
cash car star (I'm sure this was slated as next single after adore era, but billy canned it)

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:06 AM   #199
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Those saying they want the reissue to leave the album exactly as it is (wtf?) - then what’s the point in reissuing it?
What was the point of reissuing any of the albums, genius?

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:12 AM   #200
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Machina was the one that had a significant interest from day 1 once he started talking about how he wanted to fix it. Nobody cared for it when it came out.

And there's been people hoping for a more polished MII probably since it first came out. Know I did. Can't really lump them in with the others TBH. These are the ones with a point.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:29 AM   #201
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What was the point of reissuing any of the albums, genius?
Remastering, remixing, releasing alt takes and unreleased material.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:35 AM   #202
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ur dads full of unreleased material

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:52 AM   #203
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must spread rep

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:15 PM   #204
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it's simple. you create another (or several) new accounts, solely for the porpoise of pos repping me.


watch ass cream neg rep me for this. just watch.

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:21 PM   #205
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:05 PM   #206
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:06 PM   #207
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I thought the whole resequencing/releasing as originally intended thing was confirmed by this point? I mean, "confirmed" as anything in SP camp can be

Hearing M1/M2 as one piece on a sonically equal-ish level vs. the (comparatively) clean production of 1 to the messy unfinshedness of 2 was the whole appeal of this thing, wasn't it

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:06 PM   #208
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I think it would be cool to get both albums reissued entirely.

It would also be interesting to get some kind of triple album ultimate Machina collection with a reordered tracklist, cause originally wasn't the album supposed to be triple before the record company said no?

But ultimately the thing is no 2019 reorder is going to reflect what Billy would have done if he had full creative control twenty years ago, so to me it's at best an intrigue or a novelty. I just hope none of the best songs are left off. Like how sad would it be if Vanity never got an official release

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:11 PM   #209
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Yeah, honestly so long as everything was re-released in a manner that was more sonically consistent so that everyone's personal Machina mixes would sound better would pretty much suffice by this point - I don't exactly have full trust Billy would choose the best versions of the songs anyway, lord knows he didn't do it in '99!

 
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:17 PM   #210
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I thought the whole resequencing/releasing as originally intended thing was confirmed by this point? I mean, "confirmed" as anything in SP camp can be

Hearing M1/M2 as one piece on a sonically equal-ish level vs. the (comparatively) clean production of 1 to the messy unfinshedness of 2 was the whole appeal of this thing, wasn't it
I think this was "confirmed" at the same time as when he said he wanted to redo the whole thing with guest stars.

 
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