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Old 12-28-2017, 11:44 PM   #31
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am i the only one that likes Wound and The Sacred and Profane? Those are like two of my favorite Machina tracks T_T

 
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:51 PM   #32
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But witch speed killz? Impossible to choose.
i love them both but the opening minute of the rare version just GETS me there

 
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:56 PM   #33
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my ideal machina (in no particular order)

Stand Inside Your Love
I of the Mourning
The Sacred and Profane
This Time
Wound
Speed Kills (both versions)
Try Try Try alternate version
Slow Dawn
Saturnine
Dross
Real Love
Home
In My Body

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 01:48 AM   #34
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slow dawn
imploding voice
wound
real love
speed kills
saturnine
try try try
i of the mourning
glass and the ghost children (first half only)
in my body
vanity
home
stand inside your love
age of innocence
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:12 AM   #35
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am i the only one that likes Wound and The Sacred and Profane? Those are like two of my favorite Machina tracks T_T
hell nah i fuckin' love those

also i recently was reminded of Blue Skies Bring Tears "Version 1" which is so much better than the other 2 that actually ended up on M1 & 2 (main album) imo, if i put together my own custom M that would without a doubt be the BSBT i in clu ded


 
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Old 12-29-2017, 06:05 AM   #36
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bullshit there's easily enough songs for a GREAT 60 mins.



02. Cash Car Star

04. The Imploding Voice

07. This Time
08. The Everlasting Gaze
09. I Of The Mourning
10. If There Is A God

12. With Every Light


honourable mentions I'd ******* but I know they're not other peoples favs:
Real Love
Let Me Give The World To You
Try, Try, Try

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 09:46 AM   #37
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hell nah i fuckin' love those

also i recently was reminded of Blue Skies Bring Tears "Version 1" which is so much better than the other 2 that actually ended up on M1 & 2 (main album) imo, if i put together my own custom M that would without a doubt be the BSBT i in clu ded

One of the bestest tsp songs.

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 09:50 AM   #38
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am i the only one that likes Wound and The Sacred and Profane? Those are like two of my favorite Machina tracks T_T
I like those too

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 09:50 AM   #39
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But Raindrops + Sunshowers is one of my fave machina tracks and I know for a fact there's only like 3 of us in this here forum.
Shoutout to the cool people, you know who you are.

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 10:20 AM   #40
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Hello fellow o-boarders



Smashing Pumpkins | The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music (Released 29 Feb 2000)

1. Slow Dawn
2. Lucky 13
3. Real Love
4. Vanity
5. Stand Inside Your Love
6. I Of The Mourning
7. Try
8. Dross
9. Let Me Give The World To You
10. -Intermission-
11. This Time
12. The Imploding Voice
13. Glass & The Ghost Children
14. Wound
15. Go
16. With Every Light
17. Home
18. Age Of Innocence

Runtime: 76 mins

Singles:

1.Stand Inside Your Love
2. Let Me Give The World To You

Radio singles: Lucky 13 / Real Love

This is the tracklist I’ve landed on after 18 years. It comprises of the tracks I still listen to in a running order which flows pretty damn well. One of the issues with Machina era tracks is that the best songs are all 4-minute mid-tempo near-ballads, which poses a problem when curating an album, because the result could easily fall flat. The original Machina flowed pretty well, with G&TGC as an anchor point - yet the song choice doesn’t hold up, especially when we were later given much stronger tracks which were left on the cutting room floor.

The main issue is the big rock/metal numbers to signal Jimmy’s return are all pretty tiresome, and have aged badly. Glass’ Theme over stays it’s welcome in two minutes, like ITIAG, one run-through of verse and chorus is enough. Meanwhile Cash Car Star, presumably an intended single for Machina 2 is a total misfire. It may have worked great live, but it’s all bluster and I can’t get through it now. The two most enduring rock songs of that era are Lucky 13 and Dross. L13 could’ve been a White Stripes song, and has a hook and attitude about it which made it one of the most accessible and memorable M2 outtakes. Dross just has a classic grunge vibe to it.

The ‘Intermission’ is intended to be a 50-sec excerpt from the piano version of If There Is A God, or Le Deux Machina or… take your pick. Crying Tree Of Mercury and Sacred & Profane both held up pretty well, but I couldn’t justify their place in the track listing.

The album is still a few minutes longer than Machina, but as it’s a fan mix, who cares. If I were to shorten it to 16 tracks, I would remove Go and Dross.

I’m fairly confident doing away with the Machina mystery and prioritising the best songs would’ve led to greater accessibility and commercial success.

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Old 12-29-2017, 12:49 PM   #41
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i'm all for doing away with the Machina mystery but I'd still probably end up making it a double-album

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 01:05 PM   #42
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For the OP who put "Go" in his track list. If you think James Iha wrote that song with the Machina concept in mind you are deluded. I would not even be surprised if James did not hear about that whole mess until after the album came out.

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:44 PM   #43
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hell nah i fuckin' love those

also i recently was reminded of Blue Skies Bring Tears "Version 1" which is so much better than the other 2 that actually ended up on M1 & 2 (main album) imo, if i put together my own custom M that would without a doubt be the BSBT i in clu ded

this is like a completely different song!! and that's a good thing because i can't stand the other versions but i dig this one

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:50 PM   #44
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For the OP who put "Go" in his track list. If you think James Iha wrote that song with the Machina concept in mind you are deluded. I would not even be surprised if James did not hear about that whole mess until after the album came out.
Like I said, I took a lot of notes about each and every song. Some of the lyrics could be taken to reflect "being told to go, to give love," etc. about Glass' mission. I think it's possible he might have done, but just as likely not. Whatever the case, Bill probably thought it fit in well enough to throw him a bone and toss it in.

I do want to prune it down to a double album when I can be assed, but I figured the best way to approach it would be to start by slinging it into one huge pile and see what could be chopped off later. Go would be one of the first ones off for roughly the reason you mentioned - it may not even be part of the overall plot, it just works well enough if tossed in there. I'd probably also ax Saturnine, Lucky 13, and maybe Crying Tree as I don't think they add enough on their own, and/or Age Of Innosence considering it was tacked on at the last minute.

I've probably Stockholm syndromed myself to hell and back with the Machina tracks. I hated MI when it came out but I've listened to it all so much over the years I have few problems with anything anymore barring those terrible fucking Soul Power and Rock On covers.

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:56 PM   #45
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those terrible fucking Soul Power and Rock On covers.
they really are so bad. like, how did no one stop them from getting released? they physically hurt to listen to

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 03:23 PM   #46
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I've been absolutely obsessed with MACHINA since it came out. Once we got MII I started making my own album configurations and have made many dozens over the proceeding years. MACHINA might be my favorite era. It really tapped into all those feelings floating around at the time (see death of rock). Oddly enough, it's really evocative of the guitar sound that would rise up in the years after. One thing I've noticed over the years is how diverse the fan base is on this. Most fan made track orders really through me off. Both in order and which songs to omit.

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:29 PM   #47
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those terrible fucking Soul Power and Rock On covers.
but everyone agrees on this, right? right??

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:41 PM   #48
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they're not terrible. there's worse. they've got their charm. I see their place.

I wouldn't even consider rock on as a machina song
and a cover... well it's a cover, so not like he "wrote it" for that era anyways.

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:46 PM   #49
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Soul Power slays. Rock On is awkward and hella

<3 James Brown

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 05:49 PM   #50
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yeah i like soul power but rock on is terrible

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 06:25 PM   #51
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Sorry guys,
according to the magazine DIFFUSER MACHINA should have just been one single:

STAND INSIDE YOUR LOVE

http://diffuser.fm/awful-album-great-song/

 
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Old 12-29-2017, 06:37 PM   #52
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this is like a completely different song!! and that's a good thing because i can't stand the other versions but i dig this one
Yeah! How have I never heard this version before?!

 
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Who can withstand the 9 minutes version?


 
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Blue Skies is fucking awesome. I love almost every version.

 
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Yeah! How have I never heard this version before?!
You guys need this thing in your lives if you've not got it. That version of BSBT was a revelation to me when I first heard it, too.

 
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i've heard that all the way through at least once, but i often forget it exists since it's never really included with M2 or anything, and M2 being subtitled with the same name is kind of a throw-off too

 
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I've been raving about BSBT version one for years.

Next you guys are going to discover Sun and the Mayo acoustic outtake.

 
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Yeah! How have I never heard this version before?!
Becos u rrrrrrr...























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I've been raving about BSBT version one for years.

Next you guys are going to discover Sun and the Mayo acoustic outtake.
i already liked those songs/that era so it's different, i always stayed away from anything titled BSBT after the machina versions. so i guess call me picky, or halftr00

 
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But Raindrops + Sunshowers is one of my fave machina tracks and I know for a fact there's only like 3 of us in this here forum.
Shoutout to the cool people, you know who you are.
Me too

 
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