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Old 09-15-2020, 10:49 AM   #61
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As blasphemous as it may seem I think the Z era live incarnation was in the same league as the peak of MCIS. They occasionally approached the speed-up of the Machina shows, but for the most part had a massive sound and kept it super tight. Ginger was the best SP bassist by a huge margin.
All of this is laughable. They’ve never come close to the MCIS live era. And Ginger was most certainly not the best SP bassist. Totally forgettable. Couldn’t even tell you what she sounded like. D’arcy is 100% unequivocally the best bassist SP ever had, hands down.

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 11:01 AM   #62
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darcy is the ONLY sp bassist

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Old 09-15-2020, 11:27 AM   #63
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There’s so much true SP to explore and then u got this whole other world of music that isn’t even SP.

Why tf yall listening to zeitgeist lolololo

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 11:34 AM   #64
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Not a huge fan of the shows from that era either - the first one I attended was the infamous Nottingham one, so I'm sure that doesn't help. The version of Shame they played at the first Paris show was really great though.
How was this show infamous? I couldn't find anything in the setlist or any banter relating to it.

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:06 PM   #65
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There’s so much true SP to explore and then u got this whole other world of music that isn’t even SP.

Why tf yall listening to zeitgeist lolololo
I know! It's like they never heard of B O R I S.


 
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:22 PM   #66
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Äh....you mean Boris Becker?

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:30 PM   #67
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How was this show infamous? I couldn't find anything in the setlist or any banter relating to it.
It's the one where WPC spent about 20 mins complaining about the breakfast he had at "The Alley Cafe" before leaving the stage when people started booing or requesting that he play some music.

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:48 PM   #68
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Äh....you mean Boris Becker?
Is this some kind of a joke?!?

I don't play games, fool. I'll take on you and your entire alpine herd!! Bring it!!

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 01:45 PM   #69
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D’arcy is 100% unequivocally the best bassist SP ever had, hands down.
I've been listening to the band for well over two decades and I still don't get the love for D'arcy.

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 02:43 PM   #70
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I've been listening to the band for well over two decades and I still don't get the love for D'arcy.
personally just like her tits and her attitude

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 05:26 PM   #71
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It's the one where WPC spent about 20 mins complaining about the breakfast he had at "The Alley Cafe" before leaving the stage when people started booing or requesting that he play some music.
Lol, I don't remember the breakfast thing (if it actually happened). But yes, he was in a terrible mood from the start because the arena was half-empty. Jeff had more stage presence than him that night. Before playing an American Gothic song, he berated the fans who showed up to see him for not buying it.

They'd been playing for around 2h40min each night, but after only 1h30 he decided the show was over and left. No goodbye, no encore, nothing.

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 05:40 PM   #72
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Just listened to the bootleg at archive.org - the breakfast thing didn't happen. In fact, he didn't say a single word or acknowledge the crowd until he was six songs in.

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 06:15 PM   #73
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There’s so much true SP to explore and then u got this whole other world of music that isn’t even SP.

Why tf yall listening to zeitgeist lolololo
The sound of SP changing over the years is directly tied to how Bill's changed as a person and that is why stuff often sucks these days. I've never been on board the "Sp without the original 4 isn't SP" train. ZG still sounds like SP to me - albiet SP trying to sound like SP with terrible production

If we lived in a magical world where D'Arcy came back tomorrow, shit still wouldn't live up to anyone's expectations, hopes, or, most of all - memories.

 
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Old 09-15-2020, 06:41 PM   #74
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It's the one where WPC spent about 20 mins complaining about the breakfast he had at "The Alley Cafe" before leaving the stage when people started booing or requesting that he play some music.
i can't tell if this is a joke or not

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:57 AM   #75
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Darcy wouldnt change shit. Billy has changed and so did his stupid music...noone can connect.

He is doing bubblegum goth synthpop...... and singing like a pig on covid....
Hell what have you done ...do..riah ah ah ah an

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:16 AM   #76
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personally just like her tits and her attitude
same minus the attitude

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:22 AM   #77
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I've been listening to the band for well over two decades and I still don't get the love for D'arcy.
Watch some interviews. Watch Vieuphoria.

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:57 AM   #78
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same minus the attitude
glad to see the board is staying true to its sexist roots

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:11 PM   #79
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People only liked D’Arcy because they fapped to her as a horny teenager
She’s a terrible bassist

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:25 PM   #80
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anybody who can play bass for the running time of the '90s Pumpkins shows is at the very least highly venerable

that said, the level to which some of y'all are rating her "the ONLY SP bassist" is kind of stupid given her biggest contribution to the band was almost certainly busting Bill's balls in the studio

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:29 PM   #81
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sounds like a pretty big contribution, imo. whose done it since she left? and what has been the result? bollzebub run amok.




check yourself, fool!!

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:31 PM   #82
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sounds like a pretty big contribution, imo. whose done it since she left? and what has been the result? bollzebub run amok.




check yourself, fool!!
yeah i fully agree, i'm just saying the bassists who followed her have done perfectly adequate (if not more) jobs being actual bass-players, it ain't their fault Billy C requires a higher degree of "in-studio spanking" they weren't quite prepared to provide!

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:38 PM   #83
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Hmm I see what you mean. I don't have anything bad to say about the other bassists. It's just when I think of SP I think Darcy, James, Jimmy, and that one whinny dude.

Of course, I still consider Adore SP so ...

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:39 PM   #84
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whiney?

 
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Hmm I see what you mean. I don't have anything bad to say about the other bassists. It's just when I think of SP I think Darcy, James, Jimmy, and that one whinny dude.

Of course, I still consider Adore SP so ...
so you're a hypocrite and a Jack Bates denier?

that's one hefty helping of shame my bison-loving friend...

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:49 PM   #86
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there's a part of me that thinks tr00 tsp ended with that last silverfuck jam right before jimmy's OD. but there's too much to like about Adore and the Machinas.


oh and leave Appa alone!


 
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Ye, Adore and Machina's were pretty good too but chalk it to the remaining residuals left of Bill's 1989-1995 god tier writing. The fumes were enough to keep the vehicle going for a bit. SP really did end when Jimmy and Jonathan od'd.

 
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SP really did end when Jimmy and Jonathan od'd.
While I love Adore and Machina this is the end of SP 1.0 in my book.

 
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Old 09-16-2020, 02:08 PM   #89
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Yeah it didn't really hit me until I watched that last Silverfuck on youtube.

Not just the end, but also the fatherfucking absolute pinnacle of the zenith of the peak!!!

 
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SP died when billy lost his hair.

 
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