When did Michael Jackson go insane?

[Catherine Wheel]

Can you pinpoint when he went from being eccentric to crazy? I think it was around the time he started recording Bad. That's when everything seemed to start going downhill. He started cutting up his face and bleaching his skin and wasn't that around the time the hyperbolic chamber / elephant man rumors started too?

[Disco King]

Which Shorter archetype would Michael Jackson fall under?

[FoolofaTook]

Nah he's pedo elite (bamophet reigns!) 4 sure 4 sure

amirite table of contents?

[The Omega Concern]

He meant well and that's what made him dangerous to the elite. He opened himself up to the pedo stuff and many gold-digging families took advantage for a pay-day. That aspect of his life was just sad overall.

Rumours were his last tour he was gonna proselytize about the NWO and such. He was in a position to really affect that kind of change, but...oh well. I think his main disposition politically speaking was revealed here and for this, they couldn't trust he wouldn't drop dime on them:

[reprise85]

i dont know if mj was a pedo or not, and i dont know if he molested any kids, but i think the one he got tried for was bullshit.

of course i want to say he wasn't a pedophile cuz i love his music... but the idea that he was some kind of asexual child-like person himself doesn't really fly with the evidence of porn etc at his house. nothing wrong with adult porn of course, but surely he was a sexual person if he had pornography in many places in his house. he did have nude child photos but they were non-pornographic (legally speaking). but lots of pedos use those types of photos to get off on cuz they're 'legal' so who knows. sleeping in the bed with kids is asking for trouble though.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Poots

This "I don't know if he was a pedo" shit is inconceivable to me. Why anyone would leave their children alone with him after the allegations is fucking criminal. You didn't need some sort of degree to see him and the way he acts and the way he lives to say "yeah kids we're leaving".

It is, it's called extortion.

[The Omega Concern]

MJ could of sued for that, but I'm sure was advised against it and to settle out of court. $50,000 or so. Everybody walks away happy and the kid gets to talk about how he had 'Jesus Juice' with Michael.

[The Omega Concern]

Hey, have they finished that movie yet about how Michael Jackson, Elizabeth Taylor and Marlon Brando drove cross-country from N.Y. to L.A. in the aftermath of 9/11?

I wonder if they even have to take any artistic license to dram it up because just the sheer notion that this actually happened is enough story on its own.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Poots

This "I don't know if he was a pedo" shit is inconceivable to me. Why anyone would leave their children alone with him after the allegations is fucking criminal. You didn't need some sort of degree to see him and the way he acts and the way he lives to say "yeah kids we're leaving".

Obviously I'd never have left a kid with him

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

MJ could of sued for that, but I'm sure was advised against it and to settle out of court. $50,000 or so. Everybody walks away happy and the kid gets to talk about how he had 'Jesus Juice' with Michael.

well there were two cases, one was civil and much later a criminal case with another kid. first one he settled out of court, no suing there. second one he MAYBE could sue but he probably would have lost. it would have been a civil case and he'd have to prove with a preponderance of evidence that the mom coached the kid into lying and because of that he was libeled. and what would he even get from them? nothing. and i dont think he could convince the cops to try her for... filing a false report i guess? and suing the cops would probably do no good as they only have to act in good faith and not with correct behavior

[The Omega Concern]

oh that's right. Fienes as MJ...i think i saw a pic of that. That's too bad that they screwed up a big fat softball of a pitch on a platter ready made to order. I think we could all write a better screenplay and cast for it. Let's not lose hope on this project to see it through ourselves if necessary.

[smashingjj]

I agree with Mark Kozelek's point of view on the subject:

Aw there we were stuck at the airport in Newcastle
What a lousy night before and now with our flight to Holland cancelled
Pretty girl with long blonde hair and light blue eyes
Sat behind us staring off into her cyber life
I asked are you on the next flight to Amsterdam too
She said no I'm off to Greece
I said ah what is it that you do
She said I'm a dancer doin' a production based on Michael Jackson
The guys asked what her and I talked about
I said about a Michael Jackson dance production
They said did you hear the latest on him
They found child porno at his place
And animal torture videos

Is the latest on him true
Well I don't fuckin' know
But if I had a son would I let him get into a car with Michael Jackson
Fuck no
I'm sorry for the bad things that his father did to him
But it doesn't add up to building a Willie Wonka trap for kids
And changin' the color of your God given skin
He made creepy videos that the popular kids liked back in the eighties
And once over a balcony he dangled a baby
And did the moon walk
And talked like a 9 year old girl
I don't give a flying fuck what he meant to the mainstream world
Roman Polanski went down in flames and was incarcerated
But this young little kid addict will forever be celebrated
A hundred plastic surgeries and paid two hundred million to shut people up
Took someone's child like it was nobody's business and dragged him around on a tour bus

He's bad
And he's dead and I'm glad
He's bad
And he's dead and I'm glad
He's bad
And he's dead and I'm glad
He's dead and to me it ain't that fuckin' sad

So yeah I covered a beautiful song by The Jackson 5
But I believe our world is better off with Michael dead than alive
No grown man should have a house full of children's toys for the purposes of luring and impressing young little girls and boys
Would you let Michael Jackson spend the day alone with your kid
If the answer is yes you're a fuckin' sycophant
If the answer is yes you are beyond fanatic
And you have less love for your own children than you do for Michael Jackson

Michael was a pop king and therefore made his own rules
Created a new face and paid off his woes and blues
Love his music
Dress up like him for Halloween all you want to
But that guy was as far as I'm concerned one seriously fucked up dude
If his music touched you and deeply moved you
Well that's what pop music is supposed to do
But if you think he was a good guy and for little kids that he didn't drool
Well I personally think that you're a Pollyanna fool
You might say don't you know that Michael was acquitted
Well so was another rich celeb on his criminal trial named OJ Simpson