Two hardcore Christians were invited to join Pumpkins?... here's why

morespsoon · 05-25-2007, 04:57 AM

Two hardcore Christians have joined the Pumpkins, what's up?

I think it's obviously a reaction to happened with Zwan. With Zwan, Corgan and Chamberlain hired a bunch of headcases who all had questionable ethics and integrity. Mostly as a result of that, the band blew up almost as soon as got started.

IMHO, Corgan and Chamberlain learned their lesson with Zwan, so they hired people who apparently have some real ethics and integrity and probably aren't headcases.

That's my theory. I think my theory has been confirmed by this quote from Chamberlain:

“We went through a lot of growing pains finding musicians and people who had the same kind of musicianship. I did a lot of the auditions myself while Billy was doing the overdubs on the album, and what I gravitated to was even more spirit than talent. When I found the right two people, it was very obvious.”

What do you think?

Desolation_Disco_King · 05-25-2007, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morespsoon

Two hardcore Christians have joined the Pumpkins, what's up?

I think it's obviously a reaction to happened with Zwan. With Zwan, Corgan and Chamberlain hired a bunch of headcases who all had questionable ethics and integrity. Mostly as a result of that, the band blew up almost as soon as got started.

IMHO, Corgan and Chamberlain learned their lesson with Zwan, so they hired people who apparently have some real ethics and integrity and probably aren't headcases.

That's my theory. I think my theory has been confirmed by this quote from Chamberlain:

“We went through a lot of growing pains finding musicians and people who had the same kind of musicianship. I did a lot of the auditions myself while Billy was doing the overdubs on the album, and what I gravitated to was even more spirit than talent. When I found the right two people, it was very obvious.”

What do you think?

no idea, but i find a lot of americans are very christiany...which i am not
so i have no clue

but decent theory

smashapumpkin · 05-25-2007, 05:02 AM

why do you say they are hardcore christians?

Spankarine · 05-25-2007, 05:02 AM

You might be right on the "spirit" issue.... but to call it "christian" may be a misnomer.

There's a lot of widereaching belief systems and ideas about spirituality, which ******* jesus and mary, or their archetypes... which are completely "unchristian" from the evangelical or dogmatic stand point of most christians.

I'm still not sure where people are getting "hardcore christian" from... do you really KNOW these people? I don't, but from what i can infer... they are all certainly openminded. Thus "hardcore" doesn't seem to fit.

I may be wrong. But, as a preacher's son, ex-minister myself, past atheist, now an agnostic (as averaged out by being an atheist who suffers from the delusion that he's the incarnation of god, cuz life's a joke)... i've studied a lot about belief systems, and i think it's wrong to too quickly classify corgan or any of these people as "christian".

TuralyonW3 · 05-25-2007, 05:02 AM

first of all, no way these guys are "hardcore christians" playing in a band like the smashing pumpkins.

but anyway, if them being christian was one of the reasons they were hired, it's probably cuz Billy was tired if getting his band fucked up by drugs (jimmy, d'arcy, sweeny, paz, pajo)

mrlvx · 05-25-2007, 05:05 AM

say no to benedict 666 !! or whatever it names !

jeje

..SP, again :::rokin fast and new...

everybody's now free..!

REVOLUTION !!

Desolation_Disco_King · 05-25-2007, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristJesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIct2EJ_cEs

no joke, i thought...someone is gonna pull that out of their ass soon
and on a refresh, boom there it was lol

pugghead · 05-25-2007, 05:07 AM

you know if these guy were buddist, hindu or even muslim everyone would be like oooh how exotic, good on em'.

don't get me wrong, i'll buttfuck the next evangelist like the best of em', but lets atleast give em' a chance.

+ the zwan theorys crazy.

morespsoon · 05-25-2007, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TuralyonW3

first of all, no way these guys are "hardcore christians" playing in a band like the smashing pumpkins.

If Dave Mustaine can do it, anyone can.

Desolation_Disco_King · 05-25-2007, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by morespsoon

If Dave Mustaine can do it, anyone can.

I met Mustaine in Montreal
i like...oh shit, '96?

and he was a badass, so yeah if he can
anyone can

i remember getting him to sign like 4 or 5 cd booklets
and then he goes...holy fuck, you want a locket of hair too? jesus christ

and i go, if you can spair it...yeah i'd like that LOL

he was kidding tho
which is good, cuase he may have set me on fire lol

darcyismybass · 05-25-2007, 05:13 AM

I think the whole "spirit more than talent" thing is a clear reference to image. Now we have Robo-Iha and Mini-D'arcy...I doubt that's a coincidence.

Desolation_Disco_King · 05-25-2007, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by darcyismybass

I think the whole "spirit more than talent" thing is a clear reference to image. Now we have Robo-Iha and Mini-D'arcy...I doubt that's a coincidence.

Imagine Gene Simmons in the Pumpkins?

D. · 05-25-2007, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristJesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIct2EJ_cEs

....aaaaaaaand saved to the ol hard drive

enthusaroo · 05-25-2007, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morespsoon

IMHO, Corgan and Chamberlain learned their lesson with Zwan, so they hired people who apparently have some real ethics and integrity and probably aren't headcases.

That's funny, I definitely don't think the words "ethics" and "integrity" could be used to describe most Christians, at least not the ones that I've met in my lifetime when I'm in the U.S. The Christians I met in south India were pretty cool. They never tried to proselytize anyone that I could see during my three months there.

Maybe we've living on different planets. I'm living on Earth.

Let's name some Christians: George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, and who else?

darcyismybass · 05-25-2007, 05:48 AM

Don't forget Pat Robertson...he's the holiest and most Christian of them all.

Desolation_Disco_King · 05-25-2007, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by enthusaroo

That's funny, I definitely don't think the words "ethics" and "integrity" could be used to describe most Christians, at least not the ones that I've met in my lifetime when I'm in the U.S. The Christians I met in south India were pretty cool. They never tried to proselytize anyone that I could see during my three months there.

Maybe we've living on different planets. I'm living on Earth.

Let's name some Christians: George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, and who else?

Lucifer

darcyismybass · 05-25-2007, 05:50 AM

Good point.

greedo · 05-25-2007, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morespsoon

Two hardcore Christians have joined the Pumpkins, what's up?

I think it's obviously a reaction to happened with Zwan. With Zwan, Corgan and Chamberlain hired a bunch of headcases who all had questionable ethics and integrity. Mostly as a result of that, the band blew up almost as soon as got started.

IMHO, Corgan and Chamberlain learned their lesson with Zwan, so they hired people who apparently have some real ethics and integrity and probably aren't headcases.

That's my theory. I think my theory has been confirmed by this quote from Chamberlain:

“We went through a lot of growing pains finding musicians and people who had the same kind of musicianship. I did a lot of the auditions myself while Billy was doing the overdubs on the album, and what I gravitated to was even more spirit than talent. When I found the right two people, it was very obvious.”

What do you think?

You seem to be equating religion with ethics (or saying that Billy and Jimmy are), which is extremely off the mark.

TheJoker · 05-25-2007, 06:21 AM

Jeff isn't Christian, he hangs out with a rough crowd. He's my dealer's bff.

silvermachina · 05-25-2007, 07:53 AM

Keep in mind, there are lots of different versions of Christianity. That BS you see on TV called "Right Wing Evangelical Christianity" is nothing more than a political movement, based around money and deception, created by Zionist Freemasons who work toward the greater good of their pockets and the evil ones above them. Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell...all Freemason, Bohemian Grove attending conspirators. Its amazing reading your replies and seeing how many of you react to the word "Christian" by assuming those names above represent the truth. It honestly makes me sad that many people fall for that cover that is put out by the controlled media. Christianity is not wearing a golden cross around your neck, Christianity is not youth groups and praise choirs, Christianity is not pagan holidays like easter and christmas. If you believe that, you're just buying into the corporate side of false religion.

Luke de Spa · 05-25-2007, 08:06 AM

yes. there are lots of sides to false religion and we ought not to ignore them

Spankarine · 05-25-2007, 08:14 AM

...arriving at Heaven en masse, Humanity throngs its way to the gates...

and God, peering over the top of the gate says "First one of you motherfuckers says anything that has to do with 'religion' and i'll smite yer ass to hell".

why did i post that? i forget.

nii-o · 08:24 AM

not to detour this but to second silvermachina slightly...I think ppl need to understand that ACTUAL christianity has nothing to america, england etc - look to north africa and the empires of ancient north africa first of all...

anyway give these guys a chance...I'm interested to know how many songs they know cos there isn't much chance to learn new ones between festivals (breaks will probably be used for...breaks lol)

marymary · 05-25-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by morespsoon

What do you think?

I think you should learn Jimmy's name.

(sorry, I know I'm a geek...but this bothers me)

Luke de Spa · 05-25-2007, 08:22 AM

if you knew anything about jimmy's name you'd know that it has more to do with the ancient empires of north africa than anything and as such should be written in hieroglyphics. any romanised transcription is an abomination

marymary · 05-25-2007, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darcyismybass

I think the whole "spirit more than talent" thing is a clear reference to image. Now we have Robo-Iha and Mini-D'arcy...I doubt that's a coincidence.

My feeling was that Jimmy was meaning they were looking for people who got on with them, had the same attitude towards the music, etc. Not anything religious...

Besides, how much does Ginger look like D'arcy, really? I mean, other than the fact that she's a chick...

Same thing with James - I don't think Jeff seems like him...

Luke de Spa · 05-25-2007, 08:24 AM

if you ask me they both look way more north african than d'arcy or iha

marymary · 05-25-2007, 08:27 AM

What's with the north africa thing? Am I missing something, or are you just bored? (Or both - they're not mutually exclusive, I guess)

Luke de Spa · 05-25-2007, 08:28 AM

clearly you know nothing about the history of ACTUAL christianity.

marymary · 05-25-2007, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

clearly you know nothing about the history of ACTUAL christianity.

Me? Well no, I don't know a lot about the history of christianity...but I wasn't talking about anything to do with christianity.

05-25-2007, 04:57 AM	#1
morespsoon Registered User Posts: 930	Two hardcore Christians were invited to join Pumpkins?... here's why Two hardcore Christians have joined the Pumpkins, what's up? I think it's obviously a reaction to happened with Zwan. With Zwan, Corgan and Chamberlain hired a bunch of headcases who all had questionable ethics and integrity. Mostly as a result of that, the band blew up almost as soon as got started. IMHO, Corgan and Chamberlain learned their lesson with Zwan, so they hired people who apparently have some real ethics and integrity and probably aren't headcases. That's my theory. I think my theory has been confirmed by this quote from Chamberlain: “We went through a lot of growing pains finding musicians and people who had the same kind of musicianship. I did a lot of the auditions myself while Billy was doing the overdubs on the album, and what I gravitated to was even more spirit than talent. When I found the right two people, it was very obvious.” What do you think?

05-25-2007, 08:16 AM	#23
nii-o Pledge Location: London, unfortunately Posts: 118	not to detour this but to second silvermachina slightly...I think ppl need to understand that ACTUAL christianity has nothing to america, england etc - look to north africa and the empires of ancient north africa first of all... anyway give these guys a chance...I'm interested to know how many songs they know cos there isn't much chance to learn new ones between festivals (breaks will probably be used for...breaks lol) Last edited by nii-o : 05-25-2007 at 08:24 AM.

05-25-2007, 05:02 AM	#3
smashapumpkin Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,341	why do you say they are hardcore christians?

05-25-2007, 05:02 AM	#4
Spankarine Ownz Location: mississippi Posts: 606	You might be right on the "spirit" issue.... but to call it "christian" may be a misnomer. There's a lot of widereaching belief systems and ideas about spirituality, which ******* jesus and mary, or their archetypes... which are completely "unchristian" from the evangelical or dogmatic stand point of most christians. I'm still not sure where people are getting "hardcore christian" from... do you really KNOW these people? I don't, but from what i can infer... they are all certainly openminded. Thus "hardcore" doesn't seem to fit. I may be wrong. But, as a preacher's son, ex-minister myself, past atheist, now an agnostic (as averaged out by being an atheist who suffers from the delusion that he's the incarnation of god, cuz life's a joke)... i've studied a lot about belief systems, and i think it's wrong to too quickly classify corgan or any of these people as "christian".

05-25-2007, 05:02 AM	#5
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,684	first of all, no way these guys are "hardcore christians" playing in a band like the smashing pumpkins. but anyway, if them being christian was one of the reasons they were hired, it's probably cuz Billy was tired if getting his band fucked up by drugs (jimmy, d'arcy, sweeny, paz, pajo)

05-25-2007, 05:05 AM	#6
mrlvx Pledge Location: MX Posts: 108	say no to benedict 666 !! or whatever it names ! jeje ..SP, again :::rokin fast and new... everybody's now free..! REVOLUTION !!

05-25-2007, 05:07 AM	#8
pugghead Pledge Location: i'll be around Posts: 215	you know if these guy were buddist, hindu or even muslim everyone would be like oooh how exotic, good on em'. don't get me wrong, i'll buttfuck the next evangelist like the best of em', but lets atleast give em' a chance. + the zwan theorys crazy.

05-25-2007, 05:13 AM	#11
darcyismybass Apocalyptic Poster Location: makin movies, makin songs and fightin 'round the world Posts: 1,430	I think the whole "spirit more than talent" thing is a clear reference to image. Now we have Robo-Iha and Mini-D'arcy...I doubt that's a coincidence.

05-25-2007, 05:48 AM	#15
darcyismybass Apocalyptic Poster Location: makin movies, makin songs and fightin 'round the world Posts: 1,430	Don't forget Pat Robertson...he's the holiest and most Christian of them all.

05-25-2007, 05:50 AM	#17
darcyismybass Apocalyptic Poster Location: makin movies, makin songs and fightin 'round the world Posts: 1,430	Good point.

05-25-2007, 06:21 AM	#19
TheJoker Apocalyptic Poster Location: Seattle Posts: 3,292	Jeff isn't Christian, he hangs out with a rough crowd. He's my dealer's bff.

05-25-2007, 07:53 AM	#20
silvermachina Demi-God Location: Listen to Erlend Oye Posts: 253	Keep in mind, there are lots of different versions of Christianity. That BS you see on TV called "Right Wing Evangelical Christianity" is nothing more than a political movement, based around money and deception, created by Zionist Freemasons who work toward the greater good of their pockets and the evil ones above them. Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell...all Freemason, Bohemian Grove attending conspirators. Its amazing reading your replies and seeing how many of you react to the word "Christian" by assuming those names above represent the truth. It honestly makes me sad that many people fall for that cover that is put out by the controlled media. Christianity is not wearing a golden cross around your neck, Christianity is not youth groups and praise choirs, Christianity is not pagan holidays like easter and christmas. If you believe that, you're just buying into the corporate side of false religion.

05-25-2007, 08:06 AM	#21
Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,182	yes. there are lots of sides to false religion and we ought not to ignore them

05-25-2007, 08:14 AM	#22
Spankarine Ownz Location: mississippi Posts: 606	...arriving at Heaven en masse, Humanity throngs its way to the gates... and God, peering over the top of the gate says "First one of you motherfuckers says anything that has to do with 'religion' and i'll smite yer ass to hell". why did i post that? i forget.

05-25-2007, 08:22 AM	#25
Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,182	if you knew anything about jimmy's name you'd know that it has more to do with the ancient empires of north africa than anything and as such should be written in hieroglyphics. any romanised transcription is an abomination

05-25-2007, 08:24 AM	#27
Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,182	if you ask me they both look way more north african than d'arcy or iha

05-25-2007, 08:27 AM	#28
marymary Pledge Location: New Zealand Posts: 144	What's with the north africa thing? Am I missing something, or are you just bored? (Or both - they're not mutually exclusive, I guess)

05-25-2007, 08:28 AM	#29
Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,182	clearly you know nothing about the history of ACTUAL christianity.