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01-25-2002, 02:37 PM | #33 | |
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They were rescued by a combined force of 10th Mtn, and Pakistani and Malaysian Armor. |
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Its a war movie what do you want? Romance? Drama? None of those things were in there. It was just a firefight for 18 hours. |
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01-25-2002, 03:26 PM | #38 | |
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Since September 11, Bush administration officials have held meetings with Hollywood representatives regarding the content of the movies and other material they produce. In an October 17, 2001, meeting, Hollywood heads "committed themselves to new initiatives in support of the war on terrorism." "Black Hawk Down" is just one of those movies, made hand-in-hand with the Pentagon. Weeks before the release of "Black Hawk Down," the Motion Picture Association of America held a private screening for senior White House advisers, and allowed them to make changes. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Oliver North, among others, attended the movie's Washington, D.C. premiere. I read articles like this all the time and much of the reasoning such as these last two paragraphs which i didn't ******* in the first post cannot be proved or disproved. You can just choose to believe or not to believe them. I find it HIGHLY likely that this type of thing occurs often and choose to incorporate it in my reasoning. I don't believe everything I read or else I would have given an opinion of whether or not I think its racist, But I won't do that till I see it. No my undermining friend just because "it kills Africans" wouldn't make it racist and nor does this article imply thats what does it, but critisizes how somalia was portrayed, and being intelligent enough to educate yourself on the situation and to determine that I'm an idiot, I think you should be able to deduce that and reply justly without using dirty lawyer tricks. ------------------ http://www.davidbowie.com/users/unless/U_nless.jpg |
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01-25-2002, 03:37 PM | #39 |
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I only have one more thing to say about this. The movie was told almost exclusively from the point of view of the American soldiers. But it was based on a book that was written from interviews from equal amounts of Somalis (both innocents and militia) and Americans. Thus, although it didn't have to be, the book does represent both sides of the issue.
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01-25-2002, 05:30 PM | #42 | |
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01-25-2002, 06:32 PM | #45 | |
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01-25-2002, 06:42 PM | #46 | |
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BHD missed that "depth" part (although I have my reasons why the director, who is no fool, did it this way) if you ask me, therefore I think this movie is just average. Though I have to admit "war" flicks aren't my forte. ------------------ Don't ask... be blast! |
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01-25-2002, 07:21 PM | #47 |
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Um... I addressed everything you said, dipshit. I'm sorry if you can only accuse me of not doing so. Perhaps if you didn't build your arguments on a platform of incoherence, you'd be a little more effective in what you're trying to say.
And why am I ever arguing with someone whose opinion is extraneous, being that you've not even seen the damn film. Ah, if only all of us could site a bunch of articles and let them speak for us... |
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01-25-2002, 07:25 PM | #48 | |
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01-25-2002, 07:54 PM | #49 |
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If it's anything like Gladiator, in which characters were archetypes and death was mere spectacle, I completely understand why people would consider it racist.
However, I haven't seen it, so I have no idea if it's like that or not. |
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01-25-2002, 08:01 PM | #50 | |
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I can't help it if you have to invent what you cohere to. How can my opinion be extraneous when i never gave it, oh yes because you are psychic. let me tell you.. YOU CALL CAN! the choice is yours, I choose not to. But if I misinterpreted as easily as you I might want to let another person speak for me. oh yea and did you see the movie? because if you did you haven't said so yet, I'd like to assume you had but I really think if you had it would have been useful to you way before this point. ------------------ http://www.davidbowie.com/users/unless/U_nless.jpg I said, "You know they refused Jesus, too" He said, "You're not Him |
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01-25-2002, 08:22 PM | #51 | |
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01-25-2002, 09:11 PM | #52 | |
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But it's like if I was judging you entirely by taking only one or 2 of your replies. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif ------------------ Don't ask... be blast! |
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01-25-2002, 09:15 PM | #53 |
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I've never really been a fan of War Movies.
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01-25-2002, 11:14 PM | #54 |
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I dislike Elvis Mitchell
Black Hawk Down is no cinematic masterpiece. It seems as if Ridley Scott is content with just capturing the action on film and cannot be bothered with aesthetics, mise en scene, etc. But I'm nitpicking- When the movie is put in context of actuality, it becomes an American masterpiece. ------------------ I want his heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah ... I want to rip out his heart and feed it to him. |
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01-25-2002, 11:42 PM | #55 |
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my city (Lewiston) has been a gathering spot for Somalians (btw, they're not even freakin called "Somalis". they're Somalians). there are a ton of Somalians in my school. I've talked to a bunch of them. they say the Americans were the best thing that ever happened to their country. most of them wanted to get out of there, but didn't have anywhere to go. when we stepped in, and they saw what we were doing, they realized that America was the place to be. Apparently the Somalians who have gone to see it say it is very representational of what happened. many have become very emotional when at the theatre (from what I've heard).
so yeah, good movie. and whoever that guy was that was saying the US did the wrong this is sadly mistaken. |
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I thought it was good, intense, and gripping. For everyone that has said that the movie lacks depth, I ask you one question: how would YOU make it better? Do you want breaks in the action for a character to belt out a monologue about how he is feeling isolated, across the ocean, and deeply afraid of dying? Come on, it portrayed the intensity of battle and the emotions that the people felt in a way that made you feel as if you were there watching it in live action. THAT is gripping to me at least.
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01-26-2002, 01:21 AM | #57 | |
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Basically, the dialogue and the weak characters (who stood out in the movie?!) ruined this movie. In fact, the actual event wasn't even a good idea for a movie in the first place - it should've been a documentary instead. That's how I would've made it better - I would've made it a documentary or even a mix. But, to have it as just as action movie with no characters or dialogue is just boring and too Arnold for me. It's all about storytelling and this movie does nothing of the sort - BHD is just blanks and explosives. If that grips you and makes you like the movie, more power to you - I just look for something more in film. ps - if this movie was to build racial tensions, they would've included the American soldiers being drug through the streets by the Somalians - most visually shocking part of the story and Ridley left it out... |
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01-26-2002, 02:50 AM | #58 | |
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Baby steps, folks. Baby steps. [This message has been edited by tweedyburd (edited 01-26-2002).] |
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01-26-2002, 03:51 AM | #59 | |
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01-26-2002, 03:33 PM | #60 | |
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But some people just want more. Scott probably was under much pressure not to pass too big messages in this film. Some wounds are still fresh you know? ------------------ Don't ask... be blast! |
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