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Old 10-23-2020, 12:40 PM   #31
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I'll believe this is happening when we get the Metro DVD or even the Machina resissue

There's no fucking way Billy and Jimmy are playing MCIs and Machina in full on tour. They're too busy to even record music for the new thing that just came out


Also, they couldn't even pull off XYU and Jellybelly 10 years ago. This is a bad idea. Which fortunately will never come to fruition, because it cant.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 01:34 PM   #32
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Sp really working hard.i really appreciate and am excited for the opus....

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 03:37 PM   #33
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I'll believe this is happening when we get the Metro DVD or even the Machina resissue

There's no fucking way Billy and Jimmy are playing MCIs and Machina in full on tour. They're too busy to even record music for the new thing that just came out


Also, they couldn't even pull off XYU and Jellybelly 10 years ago. This is a bad idea. Which fortunately will never come to fruition, because it cant.
Yeah don't wanna see those songs desecrated.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 03:42 PM   #34
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Billy trying to sucker in people by using the Mellon Collie name. Did everyone suddenly forget the last 20 years of Billy's musical output? I can't wait for Rick Rubin's Mellon Collie where they can't even get the band members in a room together. Gonna be amazing.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 03:50 PM   #35
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to be fair they haven't done jelly since 97. same for xyu unless you count mike [which isn't quite fair]

with iha's guitar and jimmy i'm sure it'd be just listenable enough for us to hate the vox that much more

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 03:56 PM   #36
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I'll believe this is happening when we get the Metro DVD or even the Machina resissue

There's no fucking way Billy and Jimmy are playing MCIs and Machina in full on tour. They're too busy to even record music for the new thing that just came out


Also, they couldn't even pull off XYU and Jellybelly 10 years ago. This is a bad idea. Which fortunately will never come to fruition, because it cant.
They’re not playing the albums in full. He was really firm on that and even asked people watching the video to correct anyone saying that it would be the albums in full.

He said the tours are going to be a “celebration of the time”, “songs from the time”.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:56 PM   #37
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They’re not playing the albums in full. He was really firm on that and even asked people watching the video to correct anyone saying that it would be the albums in full.

He said the tours are going to be a “celebration of the time”, “songs from the time”.
2025, MCIS 30 year anniversary, SP tour playing the classic double album in full, coming to a city near you!

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 10:19 PM   #38
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live Q and A with Jimmy and billy happening now

https://youtu.be/POCwa-o9r00

billy making up a bunch of shit about his "characters" that no one understands

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 10:33 PM   #39
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I want Jimmy to talk more!!!

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 10:43 PM   #40
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jimmy is so refreshingly normal and chill

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 10:54 PM   #41
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He really is. I could listen to Jimmy stories all night.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 11:22 PM   #42
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Yeah, just watched the live Q&A. It's the most willing to acknowledge the greatness of MCIS I've ever seen of him in an interview. At one point Billy said he was getting chills talking about it, as was Jimmy acknowledging getting emotional.

Of course, there's a 100% chance that Billy overvalues the quality of the stuff he's been doing in the last decade. But fascinatingly (considering how pompous he often can come off), I've nevertheless long felt that he significantly undervalues what he accomplished with MCIS. ...be it due to his own struggles with not wanting to live in the past, or the way the music community has generally played down its role in music history, or some combination of etc.

So ultimately, maybe "somewhat undervalues" is a more accurate statement. But I'm glad, actually. Everyone who's ever wanted to be a rock star has wanted to make an album on that level, so it's a little sad when the guy who has done it can't also appreciate it.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 11:49 PM   #43
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Some things that stuck out were Jimmy calling Jellybelly probably the hardest song to record he's ever drummed.

Also, that most all the heavy rockers on MCIS were recorded at ear-splitting volume live, not just live like is usually done in such circumstances. That's actually a little disappointing in a way because it means no chance of ever getting stems of those songs with decent separation. Not that I assumed such a thing was ever on the horizon, but just that now I know there's no hope (because it doesn't exist).

Also, the extent to which they praised Flood for capturing the core of the band's sound, rather than trying to shape it into something somewhat adjacent like everyone they'd ever worked/dealt with before had previously wanted from them.

Billy has long claimed that he's playing a bit of a character when he's on stage, which he said he effectively started moving toward near the end of the SD era, but Jimmy said he was too, actually, as a way of insulating himself from the craziness that comes along with all the attention and etc. Billy, saying the same thing, went as far as to compare it to abuse survivors' coping mechanisms and said he wouldn't have been strong enough to create and perform those songs if he was forced to be himself all the time. He namechecked Zeppelin and said that the whole thing of music as a pure expression of yourself, even by the 90's, had already been done to the maximum, and that the only way to push things even further was to turn it upside down.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 11:50 PM   #44
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He said if not for Flood's influence, STRTJ, Mouths of Babes, and Cherry would have made the album. Though he didn't say what he would've dropped. My personal opinion is you drop Take Me Down for Jerry, To Forgive for Mouths of Babes, and then throw TAFH on disc 2, album length be damned. (Cherry doesn't make the cut) That makes an already ridiculously incredible album even more so. I'd be conflicted cutting any of those songs, though.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 12:38 AM   #45
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TOASE would be first to go if I was cutting anything from mcis.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 02:24 AM   #46
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WOCOAN...beautuyfl...love....

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 02:48 AM   #47
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He said if not for Flood's influence, STRTJ, Mouths of Babes, and Cherry would have made the album.
To be more accurate, I believe Billy said he wasn't in favor of Cherry making the album at the time, though others were, and that he now thinks maybe they were right.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 02:57 AM   #48
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What's with all this stuff about playing characters and transmutation? All of that is totally made up and incomprehensible. If you listen to MCIS interviews the band comes off as well adjusted and level headed. Billy definitely wasn't "playing a character." It makes it worse that Jimmy goes along with it, and now claims to be pretending to be a character. Like the what the hell is this? Both guys were totally unlistenable and grating. How did they get like this?

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Old 10-24-2020, 04:51 AM   #49
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jimmy's into a bunch of weird hippy shit

i think the character bullshit is dumb, the storyline bullshit is dumb, the cartoon bullshit is dumb...just write good songs god fucking dammit

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 05:35 AM   #50
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TOASE would be first to go if I was cutting anything from mcis.
Yeah I agree.

TOASE is out and STRTJ in it’s place.

Possibly Jupiter’s Lament or Believe instead of Take of Down, but they’d need reworking to fit.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 05:44 AM   #51
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Scratch that, I'd keep TOASE and swap out To Forgive for STRTJ.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 07:02 AM   #52
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i think the character bullshit is dumb, the storyline bullshit is dumb, the cartoon bullshit is dumb...just write good songs god fucking dammit
EXACTLY

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 07:04 AM   #53
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to forgive is one of my favorite songs, you guys can't cut it, i won't allow it!

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 09:30 AM   #54
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WOCOAN...beautuyfl...love....
Maybe Love cause it’s repetitive. But the other two add some much needed quirkiness to the album. Couldn’t imagine it without those two. If it was all just heavy metal or depressing ballads it’d be a bit much.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 09:31 AM   #55
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to forgive is one of my favorite songs, you guys can't cut it, i won't allow it!
Yeah no way. That’s an amazing song.

I really think the studio version of Ugly should’ve been on it.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 12:19 PM   #56
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I like Jimmy, but deliniation, languaging, transmutation, alchemy, fucking hell is he desperately trying to sound like he has something relevant to say. So Jimmy, tell me about the languaging on Shiny and Cyr.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 01:17 PM   #57
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This is all marketing

It's a month before the Cyr release.

Billy is hoping some people will get confused and will think that Cyr is the imaginary sequel album he's talking about and buy Cyr instead.

This is social media marketing 101

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 01:19 PM   #58
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Why was James not in this QnA thing? Oh because he realises this is all bullshit.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 02:40 PM   #59
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Is Cyr the same as Shiny, Volume 2? I'm seeing shit about releasing Cyr, the MCIS/Machina sequel, and Shiny, Volume 3. What the fuck is Volume 2?

 
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This is all marketing

It's a month before the Cyr release.

Billy is hoping some people will get confused and will think that Cyr is the imaginary sequel album he's talking about and buy Cyr instead.

This is social media marketing 101
I honestly don't think Corgan is intentionally sowing confusion.

I think he just legitimately sucks at both planning and messaging.

 
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